2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by chezball

Why is google earth covering up gitmo?

Lots of places are blocked. Try looking up Area 51

[Zedlaw]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Entitled to a job? People shouldn't have to worry about losing their job because they have different opinions over someone else. Imagine losing your job for saying, "All Lives Matter" and keeping your job for saying, "Black Lives Matter".

These same companies are keeping employees because they are publicly saying something that turned off a percentage of people. The difference is, the owner supports it.

You have to walk a thin line nowadays, especially in a world where companies left and right are having "diversity training" aka here's one side and that's the only side that matters, but we want to have open dialogue. Heck no, I'm not falling for that bait.

Hasn't fighting for company rights over employees been a Republican platform for ages now? Imagine losing your job for being gay or having differing religious opinions

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

It is, it's not about that though. People shouldn't have to live in fear of losing their job because they may post something on Facebook that doesn't fits a narrative.

Also, people shouldn't feel entitled to work. That mindset needs to go. If you want to fire me because I disagree with what president is better, fine. I'll find something better. Have some dignity.

It's not about disagreeing. It's about publicly saying controversial stuff that drives consumers away.

Think what you want. Say what you want in private. But if you're associated with a business and you say something controversial that reflects on that business, you might get fired.

Some guy that works in a cabinet factory and nobody knows who he is can say whatever. It won't affect his company. But an announcer for a sports team is different. That guy is known for representing his company.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

They are entitled to fair treatment correct?

Define fair.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

But remember this election hasn't been a cluster. It's all made up by Trump. I'm sorry regardless of the fraud or no fraud argument this election cycle has been nothing short of nuts and should have been handled a lot better.

99% a cluster, no doubt. I think we expected it to be a cluster considering the rules and the somewhat "chaos" around new election law state-by-state.

That said, one of the strangest things to me, from an analytical point of view is that the # of rejected ballots state to state in this election was almost 0%. How states like PA went from rejecting ~2% of mail in ballots to almost none of them (while also getting 5x as many in this election) baffles my mind.

For example, if I were on the Trump team trying to hunt for election fraud, I'd first look at the mail in ballot rejection rate in Pennsylvania. 2.63 million ballots returned; 7,411 rejected. 0.03% rejection rate across the state; roughly 50x lower than expected. Kinda crazy. And when you break it down into individual counties; it's even more absurd. For example, I take the biggest two Biden Counties:

Allegheny mail votes cast - 350,790 / mail votes rejected - 65
Philadelphia mail votes cast - 371,798 / mail votes rejected - 232

Seriously? And then I look at a small Trump county and see

Pike mail votes cast - 13,876 / mail votes rejected - 633

There is no way, on God's green earth that just 297 of more than 700,000 mail ballots in Allegheny and Philadelphia county would be rejected based on past precedence AND the fact that ballots were not opened until election day. It defies logic but does not prove fraud because I have to presume that both Red and Blue teams are making decisions, together about the validity of these ballots in the counting process.

But it's something that just doesn't make sense to me and something for which I have yet to see any explanation for.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I'll say it for the third time. If you say "All Lives Matter" and lose your job, and I say "Black Lives Matter" and keep mine, then there's a major issue there. What's the merit for firing that person and keeping the other?

Merit? Irrelevant.

The employer chooses who they fire and who they don't. That's that. No merit required.

Hopefully, the employer made it clear the types of things that will not be tolerated. Then the employees have no surprises coming. Either way, fair is irrelevant. Merit is irrelevant. The employer decides who they wish to give money to and why.

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[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

But remember this election hasn't been a cluster. It's all made up by Trump. I'm sorry regardless of the fraud or no fraud argument this election cycle has been nothing short of nuts and should have been handled a lot better.

Same thing happened in the mid-terms. Republicans won elections and then here come the "found" ballots to flip it to the Democrat. But if you question the integrity of the election because of mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting you're just some nutjob. Whatever.

[chezball]

This country needs in-person voting with a voter ID.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

Same thing happened in the mid-terms. Republicans won elections and then here come the "found" ballots to flip it to the Democrat. But if you question the integrity of the election because of mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting you're just some nutjob. Whatever.

I'm glad you finally understand. : )

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Hasn't fighting for company rights over employees been a Republican platform for ages now? Imagine losing your job for being gay or having differing religious opinions

I agree, that shouldn't happen either.

Originally Posted by JustRachel

It's not about disagreeing. It's about publicly saying controversial stuff that drives consumers away.

Think what you want. Say what you want in private. But if you're associated with a business and you say something controversial that reflects on that business, you might get fired.

Some guy that works in a cabinet factory and nobody knows who he is can say whatever. It won't affect his company. But an announcer for a sports team is different. That guy is known for representing his company.

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Okay, so why aren't the players being fired for saying, "Black Lives Matter"? They should be too, right?

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by chezball

This country needs in-person voting with a voter ID.

Wouldn't matter. Somebody would still be crying fraud.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I agree, that shouldn't happen either.







Okay, so why aren't the players being fired for saying, "Black Lives Matter"? They should be too, right?

Yes. If it was me making decisions, they'd be fired too.

I'm not sure it's that simple, with contracts and all that, but I'd hope there was a clause in their contract that says they can't do that stuff.

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[NeedChapmans]

Very good news. Vaccine will start rolling out Saturday so it seems. In just a few months time ...

19/20 people will never get the virus; and of the ones that do: 1/1,250 will die as a result of it (the vaccines mitigate the strength of COVID even for the patients that do receive it).

For those keeping score, that means sometime around April, the expectation is that one out of every 25,000 vaccinated Americans will die from COVID. And that number only comes to fruition if the virus continues to find a way to spread, which it shouldn't (so the denominator would be much higher, long-term, making the already small risk of death, even smaller)

[techtre2003]

Thank goodness Trump is leaving so Biden can fill his cabinet with such upstanding people. This is the "back to normal" we're going to get.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bid...fter-donations

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Yes. If it was me making decisions, they'd be fired too.

I'm not sure it's that simple, with contracts and all that, but I'd hope there was a clause in their contract that says they can't do that stuff.

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Right, so that's where the issue lies. When an owner comes out and says they fire them for that reason, there should be a lawsuit coming. If they are smart, they will make a BS reason.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Merit? Irrelevant.

The employer chooses who they fire and who they don't. That's that. No merit required.

Hopefully, the employer made it clear the types of things that will not be tolerated. Then the employees have no surprises coming. Either way, fair is irrelevant. Merit is irrelevant. The employer decides who they wish to give money to and why.

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So the employer is fine then if they decide the guy that says "Black Lives Matter" can keep his job, and the guy that says "All Lives Matter" can't keep his job. That is wrong wrong wrong and that is what is happening.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Wait. Where did Kaepernick play this weekend?

Lol karpernick was fired because he sucked. He was a washed up backup QB. Nice try though.

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[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Very good news. Vaccine will start rolling out Saturday so it seems. In just a few months time ...

19/20 people will never get the virus; and of the ones that do: 1/1,250 will die as a result of it (the vaccines mitigate the strength of COVID even for the patients that do receive it).

For those keeping score, that means sometime around April, the expectation is that one out of every 25,000 vaccinated Americans will die from COVID. And that number only comes to fruition if the virus continues to find a way to spread, which it shouldn't (so the denominator would be much higher, long-term, making the already small risk of death, even smaller)

So, we'll open up by 2023?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

So, we'll open up by 2023?

So long as you have your injection x2, your arm branded and your papers, I think we can knock this out a little sooner!

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Hasn't fighting for company rights over employees been a Republican platform for ages now? Imagine losing your job for being gay or having differing religious opinions

They should not be fired either and I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled that a company can't fire for that reason. Correct?

Seems like the firing only goes one way that is the point. A business owner gets ripped for not wanting to serve at a gay wedding, but we protect the gays? Seems like a double standard.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Very good news. Vaccine will start rolling out Saturday so it seems. In just a few months time ...

19/20 people will never get the virus; and of the ones that do: 1/1,250 will die as a result of it (the vaccines mitigate the strength of COVID even for the patients that do receive it).

For those keeping score, that means sometime around April, the expectation is that one out of every 25,000 vaccinated Americans will die from COVID. And that number only comes to fruition if the virus continues to find a way to spread, which it shouldn't (so the denominator would be much higher, long-term, making the already small risk of death, even smaller)

So basically around the same rate that are dying now from Covid when you take out the "suspected" Covid deaths and people who have died from something else but tested positive for Covid.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

99% a cluster, no doubt. I think we expected it to be a cluster considering the rules and the somewhat "chaos" around new election law state-by-state.

That said, one of the strangest things to me, from an analytical point of view is that the # of rejected ballots state to state in this election was almost 0%. How states like PA went from rejecting ~2% of mail in ballots to almost none of them (while also getting 5x as many in this election) baffles my mind.

For example, if I were on the Trump team trying to hunt for election fraud, I'd first look at the mail in ballot rejection rate in Pennsylvania. 2.63 million ballots returned; 7,411 rejected. 0.03% rejection rate across the state; roughly 50x lower than expected. Kinda crazy. And when you break it down into individual counties; it's even more absurd. For example, I take the biggest two Biden Counties:

Allegheny mail votes cast - 350,790 / mail votes rejected - 65
Philadelphia mail votes cast - 371,798 / mail votes rejected - 232

Seriously? And then I look at a small Trump county and see

Pike mail votes cast - 13,876 / mail votes rejected - 633

There is no way, on God's green earth that just 297 of more than 700,000 mail ballots in Allegheny and Philadelphia county would be rejected based on past precedence AND the fact that ballots were not opened until election day. It defies logic but does not prove fraud because I have to presume that both Red and Blue teams are making decisions, together about the validity of these ballots in the counting process.

But it's something that just doesn't make sense to me and something for which I have yet to see any explanation for.

The rejection in the ballots has been some of the more interesting numbers to me. It just doesn't make sense based on like you say prior elections.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

So basically around the same rate that are dying now from Covid when you take out the "suspected" Covid deaths and people who have died from something else but tested positive for Covid.

While this is arguably true at this moment in time, the rate will only continue to grow as the virus spreads. This vaccine slows that rate down tremendously; and will save roughly 200,000 - 300,000 American lives if it's efficacy is as advertised (and it's implementation is swift).

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

They should not be fired either and I'm pretty sure the Supreme Court ruled that a company can't fire for that reason. Correct?



Seems like the firing only goes one way that is the point. A business owner gets ripped for not wanting to serve at a gay wedding, but we protect the gays? Seems like a double standard.

That is a very different issue in my opinion.

Being gay is not the same thing as choosing to be outspoken about controversial issues while representing your employer.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So the employer is fine then if they decide the guy that says "Black Lives Matter" can keep his job, and the guy that says "All Lives Matter" can't keep his job. That is wrong wrong wrong and that is what is happening.

Yeah it's fine if it's a private company in my opinion. It would also be fine in the reverse. I think the business owners should be able to choose that for themselves.

I may not agree with it as a consumer and I may choose to take my business elsewhere. And that's why it's okay for the owner to decide but not the employee.

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