Wander Franco Rookie Card Debate (2021 Bowman's Best vs. 2022 RC logo cards)

[Rooftop]

Explain how 89 UD is griffeys RC....

[kevbojones]

Topps released about 3-5 years worth of top rookies in 21 Bowmans Best. It was their anticipated swan song, before Fanatics bailed them out

Wander
Rodriguez
Witt
Torkelson
Rutschman
Dominguez

etc. etc. etc.

All the true rookies

[CxL]

That logic sucks.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by kevbojones

Topps released about 3-5 years worth of top rookies in 21 Bowmans Best. It was their anticipated swan song, before Fanatics bailed them out

Wander
Rodriguez
Witt
Torkelson
Rutschman
Dominguez

etc. etc. etc.

All rookie cards

and even more in 2021 Bowman Heritage!

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

and even more in 2021 Bowman Heritage!

Does it count as a “major release” if it was released into the Hudson?

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Does it count as a “major release” if it was released into the Hudson?

does 1952 Topps Eddie Mathews count?

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

I haven’t / can’t read thru this Thread again to get caught up, but I’m sure it was discussed until death ~ can someone please tell me where BO stands now on the Wander 2021 BB50, now that the 22 BB Wander has the RC logo on it? Thank you

bee oh'ers are not defined by logos.

collect what others hate.

pump what you've hoarded.

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[whitmm]

Originally Posted by kevbojones

Topps released about 3-5 years worth of top rookies in 21 Bowmans Best. It was their anticipated swan song, before Fanatics bailed them out

Wander
Rodriguez
Witt
Torkelson
Rutschman
Dominguez

etc. etc. etc.

All the true rookies

Which was a really poor decision on their part, at least for Wander. Taking out Fanatics buying them, Topps wasn't losing the license until after the 2022 season, meaning they were going to have Wander's rookie year regardless. And Fanatics buying them happened right at the start of 2022, so the executives should have known what the plan was in terms of knowing that Fanatics was keeping everyone on within Topps. That's not something that you drop as a surprise when the deal is done

[theshowandme]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

I haven’t / can’t read thru this Thread again to get caught up, but I’m sure it was discussed until death ~ can someone please tell me where BO stands now on the Wander 2021 BB50, now that the 22 BB Wander has the RC logo on it? Thank you

Our stance remains the same as here


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[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Which was a really poor decision on their part, at least for Wander. Taking out Fanatics buying them, Topps wasn't losing the license until after the 2022 season, meaning they were going to have Wander's rookie year regardless. And Fanatics buying them happened right at the start of 2022, so the executives should have known what the plan was in terms of knowing that Fanatics was keeping everyone on within Topps. That's not something that you drop as a surprise when the deal is done

Which almost makes think this was done as mistake.

…but no one here would even dream of calling Topps incompetent!

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Which almost makes think this was done as mistake.

…but no one here would even dream of calling Topps incompetent!

Still don't think it was a mistake. There are too many checkpoints and verification stops that would have needed to be missed to for it to be a mistake. Never been issue in the 25 or so years they've been making Bowman's Best. Not talking about one card, we're talking about an entire 30 card checklist. I think they knew exactly what they were doing. Wander being called up before the set was released just brought it to light sooner than later. Because this argument most likely would have popped up during the 2022 season when the rest of the guys started getting called up.

Making a mistake and being incompetent are not the same thing

And making a mistake, like you're claiming, still doesn't change the fact that those cards should be considered rookie cards.

[theshowandme]

Topps Underwear Guy thought he was on the way out after getting 1.5% raises for the last 10 years, so he did one final trick, and now we are here.

[Bcr]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Still don't think it was a mistake. There are too many checkpoints and verification stops that would have needed to be missed to for it to be a mistake. Never been issue in the 25 or so years they've been making Bowman's Best. Not talking about one card, we're talking about an entire 30 card checklist.

Making a mistake and being incompetent are not the same thing

And making a mistake, like you're claiming, still doesn't change the fact that those cards should be considered rookie cards.

Topps has made more mistakes than I can count just in the past year of releases.

Imagine commiting a crime and saying that it couldn't have been you because you've never done it before. Let's see how that holds up.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

I haven’t / can’t read thru this Thread again to get caught up, but I’m sure it was discussed until death ~ can someone please tell me where BO stands now on the Wander 2021 BB50, now that the 22 BB Wander has the RC logo on it? Thank you

Same stance as when the poll originally took place.

Collectors still prefer the rookie card (2022 BB with RC logo).

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by whitmm

Still don't think it was a mistake. There are too many checkpoints and verification stops that would have needed to be missed to for it to be a mistake. Never been issue in the 25 or so years they've been making Bowman's Best. Not talking about one card, we're talking about an entire 30 card checklist. I think they knew exactly what they were doing. Wander being called up before the set was released just brought it to light sooner than later. Because this argument most likely would have popped up during the 2022 season when the rest of the guys started getting called up.

Making a mistake and being incompetent are not the same thing

And making a mistake, like you're claiming, still doesn't change the fact that those cards should be considered rookie cards.

Whether they are rookie cards or not is irrelevant to what I’m talking about. I’m saying that Topps is capable of mistakes and of being incompetent. If you feel otherwise, you have more faith in them than a lot of people here.

We have no evidence either way as to whether this was a goof or a planned “gotcha!” by a disgruntled employee. But we’re all free to speculate as you can see here!

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Bcr

Topps has made more mistakes than I can count just in the past year of releases.

Imagine commiting a crime and saying that it couldn't have been you because you've never done it before. Let's see how that holds up.

That's a terrible comparison. Not even close to what I said.

I said I don't think it was a mistake, they knew exactly what they were doing. They knew they were putting prospects into a base set with veterans. It wasn't one card slipping through, it wasn't a typo slipping through, it wasn't forgetting to print the Cavan Biggio base card in Heritage. It was 30 cards.

To put this in your crime terms, what Topps did was, even though they knew it was a crime, they did it anyway.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Whether they are rookie cards or not is irrelevant to what I’m talking about. I’m saying that Topps is capable of mistakes and of being incompetent. If you feel otherwise, you have more faith in them than a lot of people here.

We have no evidence either way as to whether this was a goof or a planned “gotcha!” by a disgruntled employee. But we’re all free to speculate as you can see here!

I never said they've never made mistakes. I have no clue where you came up with that idea.

In this specific situation, I believe Topps screwed up, but I don't believe it was by mistake.

[NYRE2PECT]

[insert infinity loop]

[Bjones27406]

Does it really matter.Guy is not very good at all.Maybe a 280 hitter with no power

[CxL]

Originally Posted by Bjones27406

Does it really matter.Guy is not very good at all.Maybe a 280 hitter with no power

woah woah woah

[SupermanBrandon]

I can't wait to pick up some Wander "RC" Stadium Club Chrome cards at the end of this month...22 months after his debut.

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

I can't wait to pick up some Wander "RC" Stadium Club Chrome cards at the end of this month...22 months after his debut.

We have releases all the way through April…long way to go yet.


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[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by kevbojones

Topps released about 3-5 years worth of top rookies in 21 Bowmans Best. It was their anticipated swan song, before Fanatics bailed them out

Wander
Rodriguez
Witt
Torkelson
Rutschman
Dominguez

etc. etc. etc.

All the true rookies

that would make sense if topps didnt have the rights to cards in 2022 from mlb and mlbpa.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

We have releases all the way through April…long way to go yet.

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OOOOOhhhh. 23 month after debut "RCs"? Where do I sign up? Topps loves us.

[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by whitmm

That's a terrible comparison. Not even close to what I said.

I said I don't think it was a mistake, they knew exactly what they were doing. They knew they were putting prospects into a base set with veterans. It wasn't one card slipping through, it wasn't a typo slipping through, it wasn't forgetting to print the Cavan Biggio base card in Heritage. It was 30 cards.

To put this in your crime terms, what Topps did was, even though they knew it was a crime, they did it anyway.

You'll never convince anyone who's equating 21BB with run-of-the-mill QC issues.