Corona Virus

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

He was.

You should try to emulate some of his better qualities.

When even the liberal members (like me) think you’re acting like a troll, you might want to rethink your schtick.

If you think I’m trolling and I’m not , feel free to ignore me


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[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Boo

Yes, most cases worldwide and yet not the most deaths

It’s not about the deaths. We’ve been over this so many times. What’s wrong with your people.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Joan p

If you think I’m trolling and I’m not , feel free to ignore me


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The comma goes at the end of the word, no space

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

It’s not about the deaths. We’ve been over this so many times. What’s wrong with your people.

Is it about ruining the economy for old people?

[SleeperCards]

Originally Posted by Boo

Yes, most cases worldwide and yet not the most deaths

If that bar gets any lower you might be able to step over it.

[rcearley]

Originally Posted by Boo

Is it about ruining the economy for all people?

Fixed it

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

My anger still flows.

We sacrificed the livelihoods of tens of millions of Americans (perhaps hundreds of millions). It still baffles me.

Hundreds of millions????

How many people do you think work?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Hundreds of millions????

How many people do you think work?

When I lose my job, what happens to my two children? Am I not allowed to count them when I say "livelihoods"?

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by Joan p

If you think I’m trolling and I’m not , feel free to ignore me


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Why?

You’d rather isolate yourself than explore difference of thinking?

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

When I lose my job, what happens to my two children? Am I not allowed to count them when I say "livelihoods"?

Fair enough.

I just questioned the rhetoric. Seems to be the same “fear mongering” that’s been occurring on the other end of the spectrum.

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Yes Joan,

Have you ever heard of Johns Hopkins University?

Or their Center for Health Security which produced the year-long comprehensive global study?

Or are you one of those anti-science, anti-intellectual types who rejects the data when it conflicts with your worldview?

I used to smoke weed with Johnny Hopkins.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Some interesting data: According to the Global Health Security Index, the United States is ranked as the nation most prepared for addressing public health threats such as pandemics.

From the Global Health Security Index rankings:

United States—83.5
United Kingdom—77.9
Netherlands—75.6
Australia—75.5
Canada—75.3
Thailand—73.2
Sweden—72.1
Denmark—70.4
South Korea—70.2
Finland—68.7

They need to re-evaluate their metrics. I’ll take South Korea over Japan in the finals. The US bows out the first weekend.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Fair enough.

I just questioned the rhetoric. Seems to be the same “fear mongering” that’s been occurring on the other end of the spectrum.

I hear the point and it is well taken ... but we're past the point of return economically and the fallout is already a guarantee. We hit 3.2 million new UE claims last week, will get to 10 million this week (which could say easily make the case to say has effected 20-30 million Americans) and every week that this goes on, it only gets larger.

It's so much more than just unemployment though. Renters stiff landlords, landlords/homeowners stiff banks, and then banks liquidity disappears. That's when the real fun begins.

If this were a short-term problem, then you're right, I think we could recover from this and for the most part, be pretty OK. But my position from day one as always been, once you close it down, you're not going to reopen anytime soon. Imagine the state or business that says "We're open" only to have one single member pass away as a result of the virus. Holy hell, those leaders are cancelled for all eternity.

I just shake my head. No one is thinking ahead. I can't speak for what other countries are doing because I don't know their financial systems or set-ups but I know this one. And I am saddened to know the outcome.

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Some interesting data: According to the Global Health Security Index, the United States is ranked as the nation most prepared for addressing public health threats such as pandemics.

From the Global Health Security Index rankings:

United States—83.5
United Kingdom—77.9
Netherlands—75.6
Australia—75.5
Canada—75.3
Thailand—73.2
Sweden—72.1
Denmark—70.4
South Korea—70.2
Finland—68.7

Wow. North Korea is ranked 193, with zero reported cases. And in their spare time, are firing more ballistic missiles.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I hear the point and it is well taken ... but we're past the point of return economically and the fallout is already a guarantee. We hit 3.2 million new UE claims last week, will get to 10 million this week (which could say easily make the case to say has effected 20-30 million Americans) and every week that this goes on, it only gets larger.

It's so much more than just unemployment though. Renters stiff landlords, landlords/homeowners stiff banks, and then banks liquidity disappears. That's when the real fun begins.

If this were a short-term problem, then you're right, I think we could recover from this and for the most part, be pretty OK. But my position from day one as always been, once you close it down, you're not going to reopen anytime soon. Imagine the state or business that says "We're open" only to have one single member pass away as a result of the virus. Holy hell, those leaders are cancelled for all eternity.

I just shake my head. No one is thinking ahead. I can't speak for what other countries are doing because I don't know their financial systems or set-ups but I know this one. And I am saddened to know the outcome.

I know one person in my circle who filed for unemployment. My BIL who is 35 and waits tables.

I’d love to see the cross section of UE claims filed with jobs held. I suspect that they’re jobs that I’ve heard the “those aren’t lifelong jobs” schtick for years now.

I hear what you’re saying about the bank liquidity. There are federal programs in place to help that. Also, there have been federal programs in place for a long time to def mortgage payments that keep the lender completely solvent.

We have some programs in place, along with others that will likely be coming, to deal with the economic fallout. They’re bandaids obviously, but it is something.

The doom and gloom about the world economy failing is the same end of the spectrum as those touting 100s of millions of deaths. Both technically “possible” but so far away and such absolute long shots they don’t really need to be discussed in a serious manner.

It may take years, but the country and world will be fine. Both from the virus and the ensuing economic fallout. Life goes on. Maybe it’s because I’m from Texas so I’ve definitely got bootstraps to pull on (I don’t actually own boots).

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Wow. North Korea is ranked 193, with zero reported cases. And in their spare time, are firing more ballistic missiles.

They’ve perfected the art of social distancing so it makes sense

[mimaalni]

Originally Posted by Morgoth

If anyone is unhappy with the response of the government should vote for change in November

Well said. Ridiculous that Florida is not stay at home through the State. All these people coming from NY to Florida aren’t even being screened at all like they said they would be. It took us way too long to shut down everything. Not prepared at all!

[quackhead]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

They’ve perfected the art of social distancing so it makes sense

Or they are going no holds barred, if you cough just once and they hear you, you're done.

[Soxfanguy]

Interesting fact: NK has the only active captured US Navy ship

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

I know one person in my circle who filed for unemployment. My BIL who is 35 and waits tables.

I’d love to see the cross section of UE claims filed with jobs held. I suspect that they’re jobs that I’ve heard the “those aren’t lifelong jobs” schtick for years now.

I hear what you’re saying about the bank liquidity. There are federal programs in place to help that. Also, there have been federal programs in place for a long time to def mortgage payments that keep the lender completely solvent.

We have some programs in place, along with others that will likely be coming, to deal with the economic fallout. They’re bandaids obviously, but it is something.

The doom and gloom about the world economy failing is the same end of the spectrum as those touting 100s of millions of deaths. Both technically “possible” but so far away and such absolute long shots they don’t really need to be discussed in a serious manner.

It may take years, but the country and world will be fine. Both from the virus and the ensuing economic fallout. Life goes on. Maybe it’s because I’m from Texas so I’ve definitely got bootstraps to pull on (I don’t actually own boots).

Set aside the world economy. Again, I can't make an educated guess about the macro level of things, they'll be a list of winners and losers when this is all over (I can guarantee Italy is finished as we know it but beyond that, I don't know).

You are correct that we have band aids in place here. Fed buying $18.5B of mortgage bonds to prevent the very liquidity issues I mentioned. Their balance sheet is over $5T already and there's not a lot of room left to buy much else. They will continue to buy what they can, but the longer this goes, the less likely it will be that they can prevent the damn from breaking.

And you are correct. There will be a reset and after X number of years, we'll collectively be just fine. But from point A, to point B, there's going to be an unbelievable amount of economic pain. It will also lead to a lot of innovation, a lot of decoupling from other countries and we'll no doubt be better off as a result when we get it all figured out.

There will be blood. And I am not looking forward to it.

[TheFrenzy]

ITT: People not understanding the stochastic nature of disease transmission.

Public health outcomes =/= public health preparations

Yes. It is always better to be well-prepared, but no human society has ever been able to manage disease like we manage resources and policies.

As terrifying as it is for the modern mind, there are some elements out there in the universe that are beyond human control.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by quackhead

Or they are going no holds barred, if you cough just once and they hear you, you're done.

Sounds like the best social distancing strategy

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

As terrifying as it is for the modern mind, there are some elements out there in the universe that are beyond human control.

My DMT trip from last week says otherwise.

#HolographicUniverse
#Hermeticism

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

My DMT trip from last week says otherwise.

#HolographicUniverse
#Hermeticism

I will accept this counterpoint.

Are you really familiar with the Hermetic tradition? Kabbalist thinking?

It’s not every day I come across someone casually mentioning Hermeticism.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by Whodatiz

Governor Cuomo is an absolute moron. I feel sorry for anyone that lives in NYC & adheres to his leadership or lack thereof.

Unfortunately Cuomo's decisions reach all corner's of New York State not just the city. I really questions whether Cuomo even knows there is more to the state than just the city. Its like he is intentionally trying to get people to leave the state. If that's his goal, he is amazing at it.