Wander Franco Rookie Card Debate (2021 Bowman's Best vs. 2022 RC logo cards)

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by pewe

I thought folks pilloried this image when it was released?!? I seem to remember a lot of bellyaching

Me??? I always loved the painful memory (I’m a Red Sox fan, and watched this HR during the game broadcast)


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I love the photo they used. I was at that game, so it’s a great memory for me.

In general, people (including me sometimes) complain when the image used for a player’s flagship RC isn’t of them swinging a bat.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I love the photo they used. I was at that game, so it’s a great memory for me.

In general, people (including me sometimes) complain when the image used for a player’s flagship RC isn’t of them swinging a bat.

That seems to be the consensus, but I also like the Tatis horizontal fielding RC.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

That seems to be the consensus, but I also like the Tatis horizontal fielding RC.

yea, i do not like that one

ha

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

That seems to be the consensus, but I also like the Tatis horizontal fielding RC.

I hate that one! Haha

But not every card needs to be made with my taste in mind.

[BigSeph]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

BigSteph uh whut happen?

Some people cried and a thread died.

[ThoseBackPages]

The Triangle Squad!

[Pacmeyer]

Logobois offensiveness meter from low to high...

- 21 Bowman Heritage disappearing
- personal attacks
- pumping
- conspiracy theories
- any mention of Beckett
- any new 21 BB thread

[ThoseBackPages]

yea, we need more talk about 2021 Bowman Heritage

[StateEx]

Here's a fun new wrinkle.

1. Adley Rutschman has a 21BB card and a 2023 Topps Series 1 rookie logo card. As evidenced by this thread, there's a lot of debate about whether 21BB counts as his rookie card. (For transparency's sake, I personally believe that it does.)

2. Like Wander, Adley appeared in the MLB the year prior (2022) to his Topps rookie logo card appearing.

3. Unlike Wander, Adley actually received a 2022 rookie logo card... that's right... the 2022 Panini Capstone card featuring Adley and Buster Posey is a stamped RC. [EDIT: Capstone is also available in packs at retail, although the card itself is label as an insert, DV-13.]

So... is his first RC (a) 21BB, (b) 2023 Topps Series 1, or (c) 2022 Capstone?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by StateEx

Here's a fun new wrinkle.

1. Adley Rutschman has a 21BB card and a 2023 Topps Series 1 rookie logo card. As evidenced by this thread, there's a lot of debate about whether 21BB counts as his rookie card. (For transparency's sake, I personally believe that it does.)

2. Like Wander, Adley appeared in the MLB the year prior (2022) to his Topps rookie logo card appearing.

3. Unlike Wander, Adley actually received a 2022 rookie logo card... that's right... the 2022 Panini Capstone card featuring Adley and Buster Posey is a stamped RC. [EDIT: Capstone is also available in packs at retail, although the card itself is label as an insert, DV-13.]

So... is his first RC (a) 21BB, (b) 2023 Topps Series 1, or (c) 2022 Capstone?

Wander actually received a 2022 rookie logo card… that’s right… 2022 Topps Flagship Series 1.

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Wander actually received a 2022 rookie logo card… that’s right… 2022 Topps Flagship Series 1.

Think you missed his point, the equivalent for Wander would have been a 2021 card (i.e., the year he debuted).

Of course that whole bullet point is on very shaky ground given it relies on a Panini product, which, wellll...

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by StateEx

Here's a fun new wrinkle.

1. Adley Rutschman has a 21BB card and a 2023 Topps Series 1 rookie logo card. As evidenced by this thread, there's a lot of debate about whether 21BB counts as his rookie card. (For transparency's sake, I personally believe that it does.)

2. Like Wander, Adley appeared in the MLB the year prior (2022) to his Topps rookie logo card appearing.

3. Unlike Wander, Adley actually received a 2022 rookie logo card... that's right... the 2022 Panini Capstone card featuring Adley and Buster Posey is a stamped RC. [EDIT: Capstone is also available in packs at retail, although the card itself is label as an insert, DV-13.]

So... is his first RC (a) 21BB, (b) 2023 Topps Series 1, or (c) 2022 Capstone?

Well, if card numbering doesn't matter, the logobwah have to pick Panini Capstone or else all their arguments blow up in their face. If Adley has an RC logo on 2022 products, does the 2023 Topps become an "UER"?

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by zworykin

Think you missed his point, the equivalent for Wander would have been a 2021 card (i.e., the year he debuted).

Of course that whole bullet point is on very shaky ground given it relies on a Panini product, which, wellll...

Fair enough.

[kordell1]

Originally Posted by StateEx

Here's a fun new wrinkle.

1. Adley Rutschman has a 21BB card and a 2023 Topps Series 1 rookie logo card. As evidenced by this thread, there's a lot of debate about whether 21BB counts as his rookie card. (For transparency's sake, I personally believe that it does.)

2. Like Wander, Adley appeared in the MLB the year prior (2022) to his Topps rookie logo card appearing.

3. Unlike Wander, Adley actually received a 2022 rookie logo card... that's right... the 2022 Panini Capstone card featuring Adley and Buster Posey is a stamped RC. [EDIT: Capstone is also available in packs at retail, although the card itself is label as an insert, DV-13.]

So... is his first RC (a) 21BB, (b) 2023 Topps Series 1, or (c) 2022 Capstone?

Most collectors would go with 2023 Topps. The logo doesn't really matter since the Capstone is an insert. The 21 is a designed prospect card with no MLBPA license(though some have the opinion it's still a RC which is fine too). I think most would answer (b), but the only 100% accurate answer is collect what you like.

[StateEx]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

Wander actually received a 2022 rookie logo card… that’s right… 2022 Topps Flagship Series 1.

Yep, typo. I meant a rookie logo card in his rookie year.

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by StateEx

Here's a fun new wrinkle.

1. Adley Rutschman has a 21BB card and a 2023 Topps Series 1 rookie logo card. As evidenced by this thread, there's a lot of debate about whether 21BB counts as his rookie card. (For transparency's sake, I personally believe that it does.)

2. Like Wander, Adley appeared in the MLB the year prior (2022) to his Topps rookie logo card appearing.

3. Unlike Wander, Adley actually received a 2022 rookie logo card... that's right... the 2022 Panini Capstone card featuring Adley and Buster Posey is a stamped RC. [EDIT: Capstone is also available in packs at retail, although the card itself is label as an insert, DV-13.]

So... is his first RC (a) 21BB, (b) 2023 Topps Series 1, or (c) 2022 Capstone?

DV-13 is a combo card with Buster Posey. The RC logo is actually under Buster's name. Lol. So is this just a Buster rookie card that happened to be released after he retired? #ThanksPanini

[StateEx]

Originally Posted by JoshMN

DV-13 is a combo card with Buster Posey. The RC logo is actually under Buster's name. Lol. So is this just a Buster rookie card that happened to be released after he retired? #ThanksPanini

Here's another fun detail: Capstone was the final Panini product prior to losing the MLB license. Similar to how 21BB was the final (old) Topps product. Do you think the RC logo wasn't just a screw-up and was an intentional FU to Fanatics?

[JoshMN]

Originally Posted by StateEx

Here's another fun detail: Capstone was the final Panini product prior to losing the MLB license. Similar to how 21BB was the final (old) Topps product. Do you think the RC logo wasn't just a screw-up and was an intentional FU to Fanatics?

Totally. I was thinking the same thing. But nobody cares about Panini products. Haha.

Adley doesn’t have a base card in the set does he? Just the autos and this card with the RC logo. Subtle play by the employee in Panini’s basement. A little ballsier than the Topps underwear guy, I have to say.

[BabaORiley]

Originally Posted by StateEx

Here's a fun new wrinkle.

1. Adley Rutschman has a 21BB card and a 2023 Topps Series 1 rookie logo card. As evidenced by this thread, there's a lot of debate about whether 21BB counts as his rookie card. (For transparency's sake, I personally believe that it does.)

2. Like Wander, Adley appeared in the MLB the year prior (2022) to his Topps rookie logo card appearing.

3. Unlike Wander, Adley actually received a 2022 rookie logo card... that's right... the 2022 Panini Capstone card featuring Adley and Buster Posey is a stamped RC. [EDIT: Capstone is also available in packs at retail, although the card itself is label as an insert, DV-13.]

So... is his first RC (a) 21BB, (b) 2023 Topps Series 1, or (c) 2022 Capstone?

In my book, Adley's RC is 2021 Bowman's Best. Same for the other 29 prospects that should have been numbered separately. I've been collecting since 1984. I wasn't really collecting when the Topps/MLB RC Logo agreement was made, came back in a few years later and said "oh, that's handy, I guess" when I saw the RC Logo and, like most, adhered to it as a guide right up until the 21BB debacle. It's an opportunity for me to collect RCs of 30 prospects at affordable prices and, if other collectors eschew it, so be it. But there's really no way around it - to ME and for how I collected my entire childhood - that 21BB is Adley's RC.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by BabaORiley

In my book, Adley's RC is 2021 Bowman's Best. Same for the other 29 prospects that should have been numbered separately. I've been collecting since 1984. I wasn't really collecting when the Topps/MLB RC Logo agreement was made, came back in a few years later and said "oh, that's handy, I guess" when I saw the RC Logo and, like most, adhered to it as a guide right up until the 21BB debacle. It's an opportunity for me to collect RCs of 30 prospects at affordable prices and, if other collectors eschew it, so be it. But there's really no way around it - to ME and for how I collected my entire childhood - that 21BB is Adley's RC.

The same reasons that 1993 Jeters are considered his rookie cards all apply to the 30 prospects in 21BB

[Orneville]

I loved that 21BB simply went with a different card design to differentiate between prospects and MLB players instead of using a silly numbering system. I wish they hadn’t caved to the controversy and gone back to the different numbering with 22BB.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by Orneville

I loved that 21BB simply went with a different card design to differentiate between prospects and MLB players instead of using a silly numbering system. I wish they hadn’t caved to the controversy and gone back to the different numbering with 22BB.

It's not either/or. But with only 9 posts I understand why you wouldn't know that.

[whitmm]

Originally Posted by Orneville

I loved that 21BB simply went with a different card design to differentiate between prospects and MLB players instead of using a silly numbering system. I wish they hadn’t caved to the controversy and gone back to the different numbering with 22BB.

This you?

Originally Posted by Orneville

The 1993 cannot be a prospect card because 13 years later a rule was established that a prospect card must be numbered separately from the main set

[Orneville]

Yes that’s the sarcastic me.

[Pacmeyer]

So which account would be the regular you?