✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

The guys you called mid-tier are clearly not mid tier starters from their performance this year. You can generalize them all you want, but the market will reflect what they produced.

Gausman - 185.0 IP, 222 Ks, 2.87 ERA, 1.04 WHIP

Ray - 188.0 IP, 244Ks, 2.68 ERA, 1.04 WHIP

Stroman - 174.0 IP, 154 Ks, 3.00 ERA, 1.14 WHIP

I see... contract year performances.

[zbaseball21]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Maybe he’ll force a trade this offseason to a franchise that is actually relevant.

This isn't football. That doesn't happen in MLB.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by zbaseball21

This isn't football. That doesn't happen in MLB.

Did Arenado not want out of Colorado?

[BBases31]

Did anyone here grab the Update Black? Went for a great price and I forgot to bid at the end

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by BBases31

Did anyone here grab the Update Black? Went for a great price and I forgot to bid at the end

I saw that but the edges were a bit worn and I've been saving in hopes that more impatient sellers bail on their Bowman pitching color autos!

[Trueblue]

Originally Posted by Trueblue

I saw that but the edges were a bit worn and I've been saving in hopes that more impatient sellers bail on their Bowman pitching color autos!

and an hour later a nicely centered bowman auto goes for 2,325

[zbaseball21]

Originally Posted by rman112

Did Arenado not want out of Colorado?

He had a big contract that Colorado was fine to get rid of. They weren't winning anything.

Ohtani on the other hand is gonna be making way less than he deserves and Arte wouldn't trade that away to appease a player.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by zbaseball21

He had a big contract that Colorado was fine to get rid of. They weren't winning anything.

Ohtani on the other hand is gonna be making way less than he deserves and Arte wouldn't trade that away to appease a player.

And the Angels are winning anything? I mean, Arenado essentially forced his way out after only 2 years of an 8 year deal. They had just signed him to it! These things do happen.

Ohtani could force his way out if he really wanted to. He only has 1 more year on his contract before arbitration. We saw Trea Turner get dealt off a team that wasn't going anywhere because they knew he wasn't going to re-sign. And I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying Ohtani has more pull.

[jhssketchcards]

Originally Posted by rman112

And the Angels are winning anything? I mean, Arenado essentially forced his way out after only 2 years of an 8 year deal. They had just signed him to it! These things do happen.

Ohtani could force his way out if he really wanted to. He only has 1 more year on his contract before arbitration. We saw Trea Turner get dealt off a team that wasn't going anywhere because they knew he wasn't going to re-sign. And I don't think I'm going out on a limb by saying Ohtani has more pull.

I think that’s a fair point, however do you really think a team is going to want a guy who is having fatigue issues? Yes the star power is there, but as he gets older he’s going to get more fatigued. I don’t know if a team is going to sign a guy to a long term deal who A) has TJ history and B) can’t sustain both of his roles a full season. Huge risk but def would draw the crowd wherever he went. Didn’t he sign with LA because they were the only team willing to let him do both?


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[irfuji]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I think that’s a fair point, however do you really think a team is going to want a guy who is having fatigue issues? Yes the star power is there, but as he gets older he’s going to get more fatigued. I don’t know if a team is going to sign a guy to a long term deal who A) has TJ history and B) can’t sustain both of his roles a full season. Huge risk but def would draw the crowd wherever he went. Didn’t he sign with LA because they were the only team willing to let him do both?


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To me, this was the make or break year. If he had gotten hurt it was pretty much over for him. But his performance shows what he can do when healthy, and he avoided the dreaded injury prone designation (at least for now).

Next year, he's still under contract. If he has a year anywhere near this year and remains mostly injury free. Then yes. I think about every team in the league will want to sign him to a long term deal. There may be more protections built into the contract than normal. But I can easily see the vast majority of teams in the league giving him a long term deal if he stays healthy and performs next year.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by irfuji

To me, this was the make or break year. If he had gotten hurt it was pretty much over for him. But his performance shows what he can do when healthy, and he avoided the dreaded injury prone designation (at least for now).

Next year, he's still under contract. If he has a year anywhere near this year and remains mostly injury free. Then yes. I think about every team in the league will want to sign him to a long term deal. There may be more protections built into the contract than normal. But I can easily see the vast majority of teams in the league giving him a long term deal if he stays healthy and performs next year.

True, but unless the NL bring in the DH, half of the league will be eliminated. If he duplicates this year
NY
Boston
Chicago AL
Seattle

Asian fan base for the last one

Will all be in the mix to sign him.

[JRX]

The NL will get the DH and he will sign with the Dodgers.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

True, but unless the NL bring in the DH, half of the league will be eliminated. If he duplicates this year
NY
Boston
Chicago AL
Seattle

Asian fan base for the last one

Will all be in the mix to sign him.

You don't think he would just get put into the outfield? His arm would be a plus and if he even did average think he would pencil out. Granted that would increase some wear and tear. But if Ohtani is willing, have to imagine teams would still jump on it at least to test him out.

[Trueblue]

Your guy's complaints are like someone griping that their Ferrari has poor gas mileage

[shaqobe]

Shohei Ohtani Rookie Card Checklist:

1- 2013 Shohei Ohtani BBM Hokkaido Nippom Rookie Card #F2A
2- 2013 Shoheo Ohtani BBM Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters Gold FOIL RC #F2B
3- 2013 Shohei Ohtani Yoshikawa BBM SP RC #90
4- 2014 BBM Japan Facsimile Gold Shohei Ohtani ROOKIE RC /100 #137
5- 2014 BBM 1st Version Art Of Auto RC #WB1
6- 2017 Leaf Trinity Signatures Shohei Ohtani RC #A-SO1
7- 2017 Leaf Pearl Autographs Shohei Ohtani RC #AU-SO1 to SO5
8- 2017 Topps Now Shohei Ohtani RC #OS-80
9- 2017 Bowman Chrome Mega Box Shohei Ohtani RC #BCP31
10- 2018 Topps Update Shohei Ohtani RC #US1
11- 2018 Bowman Chrome Shohei Ohtani RC #1
12- 2018 Bowman’s Best Shohei Ohtani RC #1
13- 2018 Bowman Chrome National Convention Shohei Ohtani RC #BNR-SO
14- 2018 Bowman Topps Holiday Shohei Ohtani RC #TH-SO
15- 2018 Bowman Shohei Ohtani RC #49
16- 2018 Bowman High Tek Shohei Ohtani RC #RHT-SO
17- 2018 Bowman Platinum Shohei Ohtani RC #34
18- 2018 Donruss Optic Rated Rookie Shohei Ohtani RC #56
19- 2018 Diamond Kings Shohei Ohtani RC #73 Pitching, #76 Batting, #145 SP
20- 2018 Immaculate Collection Autograph/Patch Shohei Ohtani RC #37
21- 2018 National Treasures Rookie Signatures Shohei Ohtani RC #RS-SO
22- 2018 Panini Chronicles Shohei Ohtani RC #1
23- 2018 Panini Flawless Shohei Ohtani RC #3
24- 2018 Topps Baseball Factory Team Set Shohei Ohtani RC #A-17
25- 2018 Topps Allen & Ginter Shohei Ohtani RC #100
26- 2018 Topps Allen & Ginter X (black auto) Shohei Ohtani RC #100
27- 2018 Topps Archives Shohei Ohtani RC #31
28- 2018 Topps Archives Snapshots Shohei Ohtani RC #AS-SO
29- 2018 Topps Series 2 Shohei Ohtani RC #700
30- 2018 Topps Update Series Shohei Ohtani RC #US1
31- 2018 Shohei Ohtani Topps Update RC Variation #US1
32- 2018 Topps Chrome Update Series Shohei Ohtani RC #HMT1
33- 2018 Topps Baseball Silver Pack 1983 Shohei Ohtani RC #51 / #145
34- 2018 Topps Big League Shohei Ohtani RC #141
35- 2018 Topps Brooklyn Collection Autograph Shohei Ohtani RC #BC-SO
36- 2018 Topps Clearly Authentic Auto Shohei Ohtani RC #CAA-SO
37- 2018 Topps Definitive Collection Autographs
38- 2018 Topps Diamond Icons Autographs Shohei Ohtani RC
39- 2018 Topps Dynasty Auto Patch Shohei Ohtani RC #AP-SO
40- 2018 Topps Finest Shohei Ohtani RC #100
41- 2018 Topps Fire Shohei Ohtani RC #150
42- 2018 Topps Five Star Autograph Shohei Ohtani RC #FSA-SO
43- 2018 Topps Gallery Shohei Ohtani RC #116
44- 2018 Topps Gold Label Shohei Ohtani RC #17
45- 2018 Topps Gypsy Queen Shohei Ohtani RC #89
46- 2018 Topps Heritage Rookie Variation Shohei Ohtani RC #17
47- 2018 Topps Heritage High Number Shohei Ohtani RC #600
48- 2018 Topps High Tek Shohei Ohtani RC #HT-SO
49- 2018 Topps Holiday Shohei Ohtani RC #HMW17
50- 2018 Topps Inception Autograph Patch Shohei Ohtani RC
51- 2018 Topps Living Set Shohei Ohtani RC #7
52- 2018 Topps Luminaries Autographs Shohei Ohtani RC
53- 2018 Topps Museum Collection Shohei Ohtani RC #100
54- 2018 Topps National Baseball Card Day Shohei Ohtani RC #10
55- 2018 Topps New Era Shohei Ohtani RC #10
56- 2018 Topps Now Shohei Ohtani RC #ST-4
57- 2018 Topps Opening Day Shohei Ohtani RC #200
58- 2018 Topps Stadium Club Shohei Ohtani RC #138
59- 2018 Topps Tier One Autograph Shohei Ohtani RC #BA-SO Redemption
60- 2018 Topps Transcendent Collection Shohei Ohtani RC #10 #/83
61- 2018 Topps Tribute Autograph Shohei Ohtani RC #TA-SO Redemption

[Rage]

That's our sexy MVP

[RW3FAN]

Originally Posted by Rage

That's our sexy MVP

Love it!
I have the blue version.

[tblood]

Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

I think that’s a fair point, however do you really think a team is going to want a guy who is having fatigue issues? Yes the star power is there, but as he gets older he’s going to get more fatigued. I don’t know if a team is going to sign a guy to a long term deal who A) has TJ history and B) can’t sustain both of his roles a full season. Huge risk but def would draw the crowd wherever he went. Didn’t he sign with LA because they were the only team willing to let him do both?


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What fatigue? What makes you think he is actually fatigued instead of just slumping at the plate?

Why wouldn’t a team want to sign Ohtani to a long term deal?

TJ history? Pitchers who haven’t had TJ aren’t the only ones to get long deals.

If you’re a team too scared of TJ and fatigue (really?!) to risk putting a #1 starter on the mound then...

... Option B - transition him to a full time position player who has the potential to put up big numbers at the plate, steal 20-30 bases a year, and win a gold glove or two.

How many players in the league, let alone in the history of the game, provide that kind of flexibility to a team?

Oh, and he is one of the most recognizable players in the league who adds huge marketing perks to any team.

He also works his tail off and isn’t a PR liability.

Teams have signed players to long term deals for a lot less.

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[Topcat79]

Originally Posted by tblood

What fatigue? What makes you think he is actually fatigued instead of just slumping at the plate?

Why wouldn’t a team want to sign Ohtani to a long term deal?

TJ history? Pitchers who haven’t had TJ aren’t the only ones to get long deals.

If you’re a team too scared of TJ and fatigue (really?!) to risk putting a #1 starter on the mound then...

... Option B - transition him to a full time position player who has the potential to put up big numbers at the plate, steal 20-30 bases a year, and win a gold glove or two.

How many players in the league, let alone in the history of the game, provide that kind of flexibility to a team?

Oh, and he is one of the most recognizable players in the league who adds huge marketing perks to any team.

He also works his tail off and isn’t a PR liability.

Teams have signed players to long term deals for a lot less.

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I have to believe that in a world where a punk like Maccado can get paid hundreds of millions, a guy like Ohtani can at least match it.

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by rman112

So let me get this straight. He passed on the Yankees to sign with the Angels, and now he's saying that he wants to win?

I mean, teaming up with Mike Trout isn't the worst idea if you want to win....in theory

[rman112]

Originally Posted by Giroux

I mean, teaming up with Mike Trout isn't the worst idea if you want to win....in theory

Considering that they haven't won a single playoff game with Trout, and have been poorly run for years.. It is.

[seanbros55]

Just got the results back from my 20-card Ohtani sub with SGC - mixed bag of Flagship, Chrome, Heritage base, one ref and one 1983 promo

Received: 8.27
Post-Grading: 9.27
Popped: 9.28
In-Hand:

13 x 10s
6 x 9.5s
1 x 9

I’ll take that!

[NYBBFAN]

Originally Posted by seanbros55

Just got the results back from my 20-card Ohtani sub with SGC - mixed bag of Flagship, Chrome, Heritage base, one ref and one 1983 promo

Received: 8.27
Post-Grading: 9.27
Popped: 9.28
In-Hand:

13 x 10s
6 x 9.5s
1 x 9

I’ll take that!

Post pics when they come in. Those 10s will look sharp.

[Mister2Bits]

Originally Posted by Rage

That's our sexy MVP

That is one nice looking card. Congrats.

I pulled the Trout of a cello.

[anusinha]

He's so gone. Calls out the team for playing like losers and the next game out they get run over by the Rangers.