✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹ - Page 263

michaelstcloud · 09-27-2021, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

Arod negotiated an opt out to get more money. There may have also been the idea to have the ability to get away from Texas, but he was also all in for as much money as he could get.

He still forced a trade to the Red Sox for lesser money and it was rejected by MLBPA because it sets a bad precedence, and when that failed he executed the opt-out to the Yankees. He had something to prove which is a quality you find in some of the most extreme winners of all sports. Trout is a nice guy and very stable, which is great in every life circumstance other than trying to be the greatest of all time.

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JRX · 09-27-2021, 02:00 PM

If the NL gets the DH, he will probably end up with the Dodgers, they appear to have infinite resources.

80s Kid · 09-27-2021, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Maybe he’ll force a trade this offseason to a franchise that is actually relevant.

He could of picked a relevant franchise to start with.

JRX · 09-27-2021, 02:07 PM

Do we know how many teams were willing to let him be a 2 way player? I think most wanted him as a pitcher, but now I'm sure they would all let him do what he wants.

jdandns · 09-27-2021, 02:12 PM

There's another team nearby that would be perfect for him.

Trueblue · 09-27-2021, 02:15 PM

2/5 of all jerseys at the last angel game were Ohtani. 1/2 were Trout. Despite the fact that Ohtani was starting, it is still a tremendous display of marketability Ohtani has created in a short time. That's the dude you build a team around - Trout would undoubtedly volunteer to be Robin.

michaelstcloud · 09-27-2021, 02:19 PM

Im interested in what Moreno does in the offseason. They need pitching on all fronts. Both their rotation and bullpen are awful. Drafting 20 consecutive pitchers in the draft still won't get you mlb ready pitchers by 2022 / 2023.

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JRX · 09-27-2021, 02:25 PM

Maybe they could get Scherzer, but I bet he stays with Dodgers, then what, Ray, Stroman, Noah? There's not a ton of great options out there.

RW3FAN · 09-27-2021, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jdandns

There's another team nearby that would be perfect for him.

He had a chance to go there (Seattle) and picked the Angels...........

michaelstcloud · 09-27-2021, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

Maybe they could get Scherzer, but I bet he stays with Dodgers, then what, Ray, Stroman, Noah? There's not a ton of great options out there.

They should sign all of them lol

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JRX · 09-27-2021, 02:28 PM

I mean if they opened the checkbook and signed Stroman, Ray, and Gausman, then they should compete.

michaelstcloud · 09-27-2021, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JRX

I mean if they opened the checkbook and signed Stroman, Ray, and Gausman, then they should compete.

They'd open the checkbook for Garret Cole, but no way for mid-tier..

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anusinha · 09-27-2021, 02:34 PM

Verlander, Grienke are options too.

They need 2 starters and 1 BP arm. The young pitchers actually did really well in the 2nd half of the season until they all got injured.

Trueblue · 09-27-2021, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelstcloud

They'd open the checkbook for Garret Cole, but no way for mid-tier..

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You might want to go look at what those guys did this year.

michaelstcloud · 09-27-2021, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

You might want to go look at what those guys did this year.

what are you referring to?

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Trueblue · 09-27-2021, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelstcloud

what are you referring to?

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The guys you called mid-tier are clearly not mid tier starters from their performance this year. You can generalize them all you want, but the market will reflect what they produced.

Gausman - 185.0 IP, 222 Ks, 2.87 ERA, 1.04 WHIP

Ray - 188.0 IP, 244Ks, 2.68 ERA, 1.04 WHIP

Stroman - 174.0 IP, 154 Ks, 3.00 ERA, 1.14 WHIP

michaelstcloud · 09-27-2021, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

The guys you called mid-tier are clearly not mid tier starters from their performance this year. You can generalize them all you want, but the market will reflect what they produced.

Gausman - 185.0 IP, 222 Ks, 2.87 ERA, 1.04 WHIP

Ray - 188.0 IP, 244Ks, 2.68 ERA, 1.04 WHIP

Stroman - 174.0 IP, 154 Ks, 3.00 ERA, 1.14 WHIP

My point is when it comes to paying for players especially pitchers, Angels have only ever shelled out money for established superstars with name recognition.

Those guys aren't bad but not perennial all stars. They had a great season and I do think Stroman is always incredibly underrated, but not sure if that's enough for the Angels.

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Trueblue · 09-27-2021, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelstcloud

My point is when it comes to paying for players especially pitchers, Angels have only ever shelled out money for established superstars with name recognition.

Those guys aren't bad but not perennial all stars. They had a great season and I do think Stroman is always incredibly underrated, but not sure if that's enough for the Angels.

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When you say Angels, you mean Arte.

And by any standards, all three pitchers are front end solid #2s at worst.

michaelstcloud · 09-27-2021, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

When you say Angels, you mean Arte.

And by any standards, all three pitchers are front end solid #2s at worst.

I mean yeah they're exactly what the Angels need, depth over star power. Let's just hope he changes his approach to free agency now that Ohtani made his intentions clear.

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michaelstcloud · 09-27-2021, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

When you say Angels, you mean Arte.

And by any standards, all three pitchers are front end solid #2s at worst.

They should sign trevor bauer and have him train the pitching staff while weathering the PR backlash.

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NYRE2PECT · 09-27-2021, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

The guys you called mid-tier are clearly not mid tier starters from their performance this year. You can generalize them all you want, but the market will reflect what they produced.

Gausman - 185.0 IP, 222 Ks, 2.87 ERA, 1.04 WHIP

Ray - 188.0 IP, 244Ks, 2.68 ERA, 1.04 WHIP

Stroman - 174.0 IP, 154 Ks, 3.00 ERA, 1.14 WHIP

Sign me up for this, like now!!

jhssketchcards · 09-27-2021, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

Sign me up for this, like now!!

CJ Wilson looked good too at one time…

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NYRE2PECT · 09-27-2021, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jhssketchcards

CJ Wilson looked good too at one time…

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Compared to the 2021 roster of:

Barria, Bundy, Canning, Heaney, Detmers, Quintana, Suarez, etc...

Sign me up.....

dbo808 · 09-27-2021, 06:20 PM

Fresh from PSA after a year of waiting.

rman112 · 09-27-2021, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by anusinha

https://sports.yahoo.com/angels-warn...005005247.html

""I really like the team. I love the fans. I love the atmosphere of the team,” Ohtani said via an interpreter. “But, more than that, I want to win. That’s the biggest thing for me. I'll leave it at that.""

So let me get this straight. He passed on the Yankees to sign with the Angels, and now he's saying that he wants to win?

09-27-2021, 02:12 PM	#6555
jdandns Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,517	There's another team nearby that would be perfect for him. __________________ Don't deny the miracle.

09-27-2021, 02:00 PM	#6552
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,426	If the NL gets the DH, he will probably end up with the Dodgers, they appear to have infinite resources.

09-27-2021, 02:07 PM	#6554
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,426	Do we know how many teams were willing to let him be a 2 way player? I think most wanted him as a pitcher, but now I'm sure they would all let him do what he wants.

09-27-2021, 02:15 PM	#6556
Trueblue Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: socal Posts: 6,303	2/5 of all jerseys at the last angel game were Ohtani. 1/2 were Trout. Despite the fact that Ohtani was starting, it is still a tremendous display of marketability Ohtani has created in a short time. That's the dude you build a team around - Trout would undoubtedly volunteer to be Robin.

09-27-2021, 02:19 PM	#6557
michaelstcloud Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 161 michaelstcloud michaelstcloud	Im interested in what Moreno does in the offseason. They need pitching on all fronts. Both their rotation and bullpen are awful. Drafting 20 consecutive pitchers in the draft still won't get you mlb ready pitchers by 2022 / 2023. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09-27-2021, 02:25 PM	#6558
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,426	Maybe they could get Scherzer, but I bet he stays with Dodgers, then what, Ray, Stroman, Noah? There's not a ton of great options out there.

09-27-2021, 02:28 PM	#6561
JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,426	I mean if they opened the checkbook and signed Stroman, Ray, and Gausman, then they should compete.

09-27-2021, 02:34 PM	#6563
anusinha Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,403	Verlander, Grienke are options too. They need 2 starters and 1 BP arm. The young pitchers actually did really well in the 2nd half of the season until they all got injured.

09-27-2021, 06:20 PM	#6574
dbo808 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: HI Posts: 1,992	Fresh from PSA after a year of waiting.