First Buzz: 2019-20 NBA Hoops Premium Stock Hobby Hybrid

[PSA2Pac]

Lol the ratio of folks finding enough supply they're sick of seeing it, compared to guys that can't find it is so massive its laughable..


On a long enough timeline these will def get to those prices

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[BRob1]

well i’m glad to be on the good side of that ratio.

To be honest though this has been so much easier to find than mosaic, and the fact target carries it as well in huge quantities means it dwarfs what we saw in R2 of mosaic. R1 was produced before they knew how the pandemic was going to drive a spike in demand. Sure mosaic wasn’t hard to find, but Prizm football and hoops basketball were printed on a whole nother level.


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[Mac302]

I can't imagine a place in the united states at this point where someone is sick of seeing this on the shelf.....

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[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Mac302

I can't imagine a place in the united states at this point where someone is sick of seeing this on the shelf.....

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come over to my house my man, running out of boxes to store it in


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[Mac302]

Originally Posted by BRob1

come over to my house my man, running out of boxes to store it in


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I get what you are saying....but seeing a lot in your local area doesn't really convince me that this is massively overproduced....ebay shows me that (national level)....and again there hasn't been weeks and weeks of this stuff overflowing on ebay (again at least not yet)

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[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Mac302

I get what you are saying....but seeing a lot in your local area doesn't really convince me that this is massively overproduced....ebay shows me that (national level)....and again there hasn't been weeks and weeks of this stuff overflowing on ebay (again at least not yet)

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I would counter that I live in a metro area of over a million people, and what I see each week in the stores lines up with what people all over the country are saying is showing up in their market via social media. I honestly would say that to think this wasn’t printed extremely heavy is just naive, no offense intended.


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[kobebeast2020]

Does anyone in New York City have any luck finding retail?

[bigjbasketball]

If you’re sick of seeing this product in stores, apparently you don’t like like free money. Maybe I’m just bitter because I haven’t found any basketball product in stores in a full year now (Optic restock in February 2020 I checked like 10 Walmarts and only one of them had a very small stock). If you don’t have any place to store it, just flip it for 2.5x what you paid and laugh all the way to the bank. And all these debates about what product got printed more than another are completely useless because you will never know which ones were printed more than the other. It’s all 100% speculation. Let’s just wait and see how the market shakes out. To me, this seems like a great long term hold because it definitely has a first year Topps Chrome vibe to me. Not saying it will ever become that iconic, but if this draft class continues to perform well, I don’t see any reason why the sealed wax wouldn’t continue to increase, regardless of how many people are hoarding it.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

If you’re sick of seeing this product in stores, apparently you don’t like like free money.

I didn’t say I stopped picking it up did I?


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[TimBuckTwo]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I don’t think so personally. they produced way more of these than mosaic, and way more of these are being held than mosaic. i’d be happy if they hit $225 before the season is over.


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Would love to see $225. At $140 I feel I am leaving alot on the table.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Would love to see $225. At $140 I feel I am leaving alot on the table.

I wouldn’t sell today unless you need to free up some cash. Never sell retail while it’s still being stocked in stores if you can help it.


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[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I would counter that I live in a metro area of over a million people, and what I see each week in the stores lines up with what people all over the country are saying is showing up in their market via social media. I honestly would say that to think this wasn’t printed extremely heavy is just naive, no offense intended.


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That's still the boonies compared to many places lol especially if it's not infested with sneakerheads.

Went to a WM in Covina this week that was always gutted and even the supplies were all wiped out. Nothing but a wall of empty trays. Finding any Hoops there would be like spotting a unicorn.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

That's still the boonies compared to many places lol especially if it's not infested with sneakerheads.

Went to a WM in Covina this week that was always gutted and even the supplies were all wiped out. Nothing but a wall of empty trays. Finding any Hoops there would be like spotting a unicorn.

I actually live in the sneakerhead capital of the world.

point being my city is big enough that when i compare to what people are saying all over social media and it checks out, i feel confident that what i’m seeing is representative.


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[Mac302]

I live about 15 south of Philly....so obviously a densely populated area.... haven't found anything in stores since last April. I can if I decide to look "professionally"....but let's be serious....no need to do that.

If you can easily find this (or anything else of value) on shelves easily you either are lying that you live in a heavily populated area OR for some reason you don't have flippers in your area. Which at this point, in all the madness of the last year or so, again seems unbelievable.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Mac302

I live about 15 south of Philly....so obviously a densely populated area.... haven't found anything in stores since last April. I can if I decide to look "professionally"....but let's be serious....no need to do that.

If you can easily find this (or anything else of value) on shelves easily you either are lying that you live in a heavily populated area OR for some reason you don't have flippers in your area. Which at this point, in all the madness of the last year or so, again seems unbelievable.

I definitely am not “lying” about anything related to finding cards on a baseball card forum lol. is it possible i’m better than you at finding retail? You only gave two options and I don’t believe either to be true.


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[glassofwater]

Originally Posted by BRob1

For every guy who can’t find it there’s a guy who is so sick of buying it he only does it out of obligation when he sees it on the shelf now. To the MOON.


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I agree hoops is hard to come but unlike prizm which i have seen tons of. I found all of this prizm today zero hoops. You would think more hoops because it’s newer.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by glassofwater

I agree hoops is hard to come but unlike prizm which i have seen tons of. I found all of this prizm today zero hoops. You would think more hoops because it’s newer.

I have found both in equal amounts, but 3-4 weeks ago i was finding a ton of prizm and smallish stocks of hoops, now prizm has for the most part dried up around here and hoops is flowing like water.

that’s a nice prizm score this late in the game!


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[Pacmeyer]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I actually live in the sneakerhead capital of the world.

point being my city is big enough that when i compare to what people are saying all over social media and it checks out, i feel confident that what i’m seeing is representative.


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Probably a smarter breed of collector/flipper in your area that's not grabbing every last pack. Anyway, I think we need some kind of Facebook data mining project to settle the overproduction debate lol.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Pacmeyer

Probably a smarter breed of collector/flipper in your area that's not grabbing every last pack. Anyway, I think we need some kind of Facebook data mining project to settle the overproduction debate lol.

or we just need a mole at panini to give us production numbers.

Hoops was the first major 2019 retail product produced after the impact of the pandemic became apparent, I can’t think of a reason why they WOULDN’T have printed this to the moon after seeing the insta sellout of mosaic every week.

But no, i never run into half stocks, like someone took some but left the rest. I either hit a fresh stock or the remnants of one. First guy there is clearing the shelf if he can.


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[Mac302]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I definitely am not “lying” about anything related to finding cards on a baseball card forum lol. is it possible i’m better than you at finding retail? You only gave two options and I don’t believe either to be true.


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I have no idea how you find retail. I don't dedicate or even come close to dedicating any portion of my daily life to looking for retail in store anymore. For me it makes absolutely no sense what so ever and I would be sacrificing a lot in my personal life to do so....again which would make no sense to me.

Whatever your "secret" may be I'm sure it's not something I would be willing to do for sports cards.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Mac302

I have no idea how you find retail. I don't dedicate or even come close to dedicating any portion of my daily life to looking for retail in store anymore. For me it makes absolutely no sense what so ever and I would be sacrificing a lot in my personal life to do so....again which would make no sense to me.

Whatever your "secret" may be I'm sure it's not something I would be willing to do for sports cards.

So there you go... first you said I was lying, but now you concede maybe I try harder. There’s nothing wrong with not wanting to spend a couple hours each day hunting retail. I actually enjoy it and am pretty efficient knowing how to do it. It’s the thrill of the chase, I love catching a fresh restock.

I happen to have a job that pays well, but allows me time to hunt retail when i want as well. To each his own, but no, if you go out for 30 minutes twice a week, you won’t have much luck finding anything.


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[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Mac302

I have no idea how you find retail. I don't dedicate or even come close to dedicating any portion of my daily life to looking for retail in store anymore. For me it makes absolutely no sense what so ever and I would be sacrificing a lot in my personal life to do so....again which would make no sense to me.

Whatever your "secret" may be I'm sure it's not something I would be willing to do for sports cards.

The “secret” around here is to be available to hit up Targets consistently Wed-Friday between 12-2pm. That’s it. If you hit it when they are stocking, you’ll walk away happy. Otherwise SOL.

I have no clue what any Wal-Marts do. I’ve found 6 NFL Mosaic Hangers and 1 misplaced Prizm Cello since July. I think Wal Marts around here are pretty much back doored.

[PoisonMojo]

Well, over here megas are already $200+ and blasters $100+.
I’m buying $60 ebay blasters all day long and so are hundreds of others. Just a few clicks on my phone, don’t have to wait at Walmart and fight with flippers, and profit is the same.
Ebay/FB/IG are just a small portion of the market so as long as people from other parts of the world are paying up, prices will go up.






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[Mac302]

Originally Posted by BRob1

So there you go... first you said I was lying, but now you concede maybe I try harder. There’s nothing wrong with not wanting to spend a couple hours each day hunting retail. I actually enjoy it and am pretty efficient knowing how to do it. It’s the thrill of the chase, I love catching a fresh restock.

I happen to have a job that pays well, but allows me time to hunt retail when i want as well. To each his own, but no, if you go out for 30 minutes twice a week, you won’t have much luck finding anything.


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A couple hours a day for me would be laughable and outrageous for me to do. Seeing as I have 2 children and help run a family business. You obviously have more free time than I do....so more power to you.

I have seen and heard of guys lining up at 5am waiting for Target to open where I live and every Walmart around me has completely stopped selling cards. That's craziness as far as I'm concerned.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Mac302

A couple hours a day for me would be laughable and outrageous for me to do. Seeing as I have 2 children and help run a family business. You obviously have more free time than I do....so more power to you.

I have seen and heard of guys lining up at 5am waiting for Target to open where I live and every Walmart around me has completely stopped selling cards. That's craziness as far as I'm concerned.

I hear ya. That’s why I said it’s not for everybody. In my situation it works. You can’t really expect to find retail today though if you are randomly popping into target twice a week. that’s needle in a haystack.


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