Wander Franco Rookie Card Debate (2021 Bowman's Best vs. 2022 RC logo cards)

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

im angry, but not holding many of their Rookie Cards

im angry because i was looking forward to 2022 releases.

i guess i should be grateful that i saved a lot of money

I wasn't specifically talking about you, TBP! Don't be so sensitive!

A good example of an angry BB21 "collector" is the individual who invested into 300 base prospect cards of a product with little-to-no demand. The BB21 pump-and-dump got him and now he's holding a heavy bag.

#ThanksTopps

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

I would submit that another way to see what the market actually thinks is to compare sales on 2020 Bowman’s Best cards to 2021 BB for the same player. For example, in general:

-raw ungraded 2020 BB Wanders seem to be going for $1-3, vs.
-raw ungraded 2021 BB Wanders seem to be going for $7-10.

-raw ungraded 2020 BB Julios seem to be going for $3-5, vs.
-raw ungraded 2021 BB Julios seem to be going for $10-15.

Why would a later ‘prospect’ card be consistently selling for 2-3 times more than an earlier one?

Good question. I wonder what it might be.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

I wasn't specifically talking about you, TBP! Don't be so sensitive!

A good example of an angry BB21 "collector" is the individual who invested into 300 base prospect cards of a product with little-to-no demand. The BB21 pump-and-dump got him and now he's holding a heavy bag.

#ThanksTopps

You come across as the one who is angry.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Good question. I wonder what it might be.

I’m guessing hype and hoarding? I dunno. Someone on here said they have 300 of Wander’s base and even more of Julio’s.


(Obviously, those elements are taking place in ‘22 products as well, but Wander’s flagship base has a print run of roughly 35 trillion… so harder to make a dent there.)

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

I would submit that another way to see what the market actually thinks is to compare sales on 2020 Bowman’s Best cards to 2021 BB for the same player. For example, in general:

-raw ungraded 2020 BB Wanders seem to be going for $1-3, vs.
-raw ungraded 2021 BB Wanders seem to be going for $7-10.

-raw ungraded 2020 BB Julios seem to be going for $3-5, vs.
-raw ungraded 2021 BB Julios seem to be going for $10-15.

Why would a later ‘prospect’ card be consistently selling for 2-3 times more than an earlier one?

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Easy, because a small group of people in this thread are buying them all at inflated prices.

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Ohio, you have strong critical thinking skills.

You could sell a course on it to some BO members.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Easy, because a small group of people in this thread are buying them all at inflated prices.

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So be it, that is the market.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

You come across as the one who is angry.

I'm angry for you!

Just like how you fell victim to a pump (and overpaid on your 1986 Topps Traded Tiffany Barry Bonds PSA 10 by 1-2 thousand dollars), some have lost similarly (realized or unrealized) with BB21 because of the pumping efforts of a few.

BigSeph is already taking an unrealized loss on his 300 Wander base and 300+ Julio base prospect cards.

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

I’m guessing hype and hoarding? I dunno. Someone on here said they have 300 of Wander’s base and even more of Julio’s.


(Obviously, those elements are taking place in ‘22 products as well, but Wander’s flagship base has a print run of roughly 35 trillion… so harder to make a dent there.)

Certainly a combination of the two.

And you're right in regards to the 2022 Flagship comment too.

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

I'm angry for you!

Just like how you fell victim to a pump (and overpaid on your 1986 Topps Traded Tiffany Barry Bonds PSA 10 by 1-2 thousand dollars), some have lost similarly (realized or unrealized) with BB21 because of the pumping efforts of a few.

BigSeph is already taking an unrealized loss on his 300 Wander base and 300+ Julio base prospect cards.



Certainly a combination of the two.

And you're right in regards to the 2022 Flagship comment too.

Aren't you angry for yourself after buying BB21 wax and opening it?

[zworykin]

I don't understand why you're all still engaging with these trolls. You aren't going to get anywhere. They don't like the product and think we're stupid for disagreeing. That's their entire raison d'etre.

Honestly this whole thread should just be closed, as it's long since outlived whatever usefulness it may once have had.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

Aren't you angry for yourself after buying BB21 wax and opening it?

Absolutely!

I fell victim to the BB21 pump-and-dump scheme too!

Fortunately, my losses are of much smaller magnitude compared to you/BigSeph. With that said, losses are losses!

[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Absolutely!

I fell victim to the BB21 pump-and-dump scheme too!

Fortunately, my losses are of much smaller magnitude compared to you/BigSeph. With that said, losses are losses!

You should have thought for yourself and/or kept your wax sealed. Rookie move.

I haven't lost anything with BB21.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

I haven't lost anything with BB21.

Dang, that's some short-term memory!

"Just like how you fell victim to a pump (and overpaid on your 1986 Topps Traded Tiffany Barry Bonds PSA 10 by 1-2 thousand dollars), some have lost similarly (realized or unrealized) with BB21 because of the pumping efforts of a few."

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by zworykin

I don't understand why you're all still engaging with these trolls. You aren't going to get anywhere. They don't like the product and think we're stupid for disagreeing. That's their entire raison d'etre.

Honestly this whole thread should just be closed, as it's long since outlived whatever usefulness it may once have had.

Oh another worthless post calling those who disagree with him trolls. Color me shocked.

Too bad for your narrative that this thread was dormant for weeks before your buddy BigSeph resurrected it to insult us. But yeah, we're the trolls. :rollseyes:

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[BigSeph]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Yikes. You really are bag holding with this product.

I have "held the bag" on several prospects and sets, stocks, commodities, etc that were underappreciated in their time but eventually appreciated.

I'm what's known as a value investor.

For every 1 person who thinks outside the box and gets ahead of trends or discoveries, there are thousands who fight tooth and nail to defend the status quo.

This is no different. Mock me for unrealized gains, I enjoy it.

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Oh another worthless post calling those who disagree with him trolls. Color me shocked.

Too bad for your narrative that this thread was dormant for weeks before your buddy BigSeph resurrected it to insult us. But yeah, we're the trolls. :rollseyes:

"Too bad for your narrative" that he's on my ignore list too, I guess? And I don't see any insult in his "resurrection" post, which is also "too bad for your narrative" but hey, you do you.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by rfgilles

So be it, that is the market.

Absolutely. That is the current market. But if you understand markets, that's a shaky foundation. You can't prop it up forever. Eventually, one by one, you'll give up and the tower will crumble.

In the words of BigSeph, I'm just trying to help you. I hate to see you throw away money.

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[ThoseBackPages]

no need to lock the thread, as there would have to be a new one when more of the Rookie Cards make their MLB Debuts

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by BigSeph

I have "held the bag" on several prospects and sets, stocks, commodities, etc that were underappreciated in their time but eventually appreciated.



I'm what's known as a value investor.



For every 1 person who thinks outside the box and gets ahead of trends or discoveries, there are thousands who fight tooth and nail to defend the status quo.



This is no different. Mock me for unrealized gains, I enjoy it.

And for every "value investor" who thinks outside the box and hits a home run, ten thousand end in disaster. Great analogy.

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[rfgilles]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Dang, that's some short-term memory!

"Just like how you fell victim to a pump (and overpaid on your 1986 Topps Traded Tiffany Barry Bonds PSA 10 by 1-2 thousand dollars), some have lost similarly (realized or unrealized) with BB21 because of the pumping efforts of a few."

What are my losses on BB21?

I don't own a Topps Tiffany Barry Bonds PSA 10. Never have.

I have a True Gem 9.5 (with 10 centering) BGS Topps Tiffany. I have no concerns for the long-term value of that card.

[80s Kid]

Originally Posted by zworykin

I don't understand why you're all still engaging with these trolls. You aren't going to get anywhere. They don't like the product and think we're stupid for disagreeing. That's their entire raison d'etre.

Honestly this whole thread should just be closed, as it's long since outlived whatever usefulness it may once have had.

No, it should exist to keep the 21BB crowd from commenting on 2022 rookie threads.

[BigSeph]

Originally Posted by zworykin

I don't understand why you're all still engaging with these trolls. You aren't going to get anywhere. They don't like the product and think we're stupid for disagreeing. That's their entire raison d'etre.

Honestly this whole thread should just be closed, as it's long since outlived whatever usefulness it may once have had.

That's not actually true.

It's rare, but I have seen posters on various forums in my internet "lifetime" who were mocked and ridiculed for their cocksure and arrogant takes that were not only wrong, but HORRIBLY wrong, and actually stopped pretending that every opinion of theirs was always right.

They learned that a shred of humility will take you a long way in life.

Let's keep it open for some valuable life lessons.

Look no further than the Ohtani thread, page 1, for an example of a poster who wasn't just wrong, but HORRIBLY wrong, and look at the later comments rightly excoriating him for it.

If I'm wrong on 21BB I'll gladly take the L, but this is not something that will be settled in 1 year, 3 years, or maybe even 10 years. It will take one JRod/Witt/Wander/Lawlar/Mayer/etc winning a MVP and a WS, and Beckett holding their ground on their "best rookie card" articles.

There's no guarantee on either of those.

But so far, so good. JRod has a very bright future.

[theshowandme]

With all the delayed 22 products that still haven’t been released, is there reason to believe that Topps underwear guy is at it again with some more checklist gems?


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[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by BigSeph

I have "held the bag" on several prospects and sets, stocks, commodities, etc that were underappreciated in their time but eventually appreciated.

I'm what's known as a value investor.

For every 1 person who thinks outside the box and gets ahead of trends or discoveries, there are thousands who fight tooth and nail to defend the status quo.

This is no different. Mock me for unrealized gains, I enjoy it.

You label yourself a "value investor" but you've loaded up on cards with little-to-no value.

I'm not trying to mock you, I truly feel for you. Your BB21 portfolio is probably worse than -100% right now.

If you really believed in the cards/product, you wouldn't have to pump it so much as you have been over the last 365 days.

For what it's worth, I think BB21 cards are nice-looking. I even had fun ripping the product. Unfortunately, the cards don't have much value.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by theshowandme

With all the delayed 22 products that still haven’t been released, is there reason to believe that Topps underwear guy is at it again with some more checklist gems?


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i heard he was let go

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Absolutely. That is the current market. But if you understand markets, that's a shaky foundation. You can't prop it up forever. Eventually, one by one, you'll give up and the tower will crumble.

In the words of BigSeph, I'm just trying to help you. I hate to see you throw away money.

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You're a good man!

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

no need to lock the thread, as there would have to be a new one when more of the Rookie Cards make their MLB Debuts

We need to keep the thread open because, each day, more and more people continue to vote for the 2022 rookie card only option, thus furthering the gap between the 2022 rookie cards and the 2021 Bowman's Best prospect cards.

Originally Posted by 80s Kid

No, it should exist to keep the 21BB crowd from commenting on 2022 rookie threads.

Hahahaha!!