Yordan Alvarez

[rngrdanny22]

Originally Posted by towerymt

The only one graded by BGS has a 7.0 centering grade, so they might just all be O/C. NONE HIGHER!

OOF! I haven't seen that one surface, but I'd bet they are all roughly the same.

[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by towerymt

PSA holders are pretty easy and consistent to break open, in my limited experience. But I would not suggest making this your first attempt at doing it.

I think it's a waste of money to try to crack this and sub again. It's probably a 9 for a reason, so I was hinting at doing some closer inspection to see if you can determine why it got a 9. I would say that I could probably see why by just looking at it, but using magnification helps with making a positive determination. If a corner is pressed/pinched a little bit, it may not be obvious except with how the light reflects off it, so an experienced grader may spot it quickly, and a collector may not see it until it's pointed out. That's just the way it is with grading. I had to review a lot of cards, submit a lot of cards, and see the results to find out what is the limit of mint vs. gem mint. And that line is not always fixed....some PSA subs get crushed with 9s and others get high gem rates, and that's part of the risk.

I just checked the pop report and the Yordan Orange refractor only has a 50% gem rate. Five 9s, five 10s. Ten graded total. I'd look for surface issues, lines or scratch marks, as a possible reason for the low gem rate. Gold and Green similar gem rates. Red...0% gem! Four graded, all 9's. Blue, Purple, Prism, Negative, Xfractor all around the 60's % range for gem rate. Pink about 80% gem, Refractor about 70%, base over 78% gem. The lower end stuff is more common, so more easily rejected by graders, while the more rare stuff is sent in if it's borderline "could gem?" That's my theory.

The gem rate for the more rare parallels suggests to me this entire release may have common issues preventing PSA-10s.

Inspecting surfaces under bright light and inspecting corners under magnification should let an experienced submitter determine if a card should gem or not. I think a lot of people either don't do this level of inspection, or are not willing to NOT submit a card when it won't gem, just because it's rare/valuable. It didn't used to matter when PSA-9s were still profitable, but it's bad process.

I would never crack open. I don't trust myself. I would just send in the PSA 9 slab and pay for them to regrade.

The method I send in the card should be irrelevant.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

That was a steal

Yep! Had I not just bought the A&G Chrome red, I would’ve gone after it. Maybe I should’ve, anyway……


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[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

I don’t usually collect Finest, but something about this one jumped out at me.


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You are now officially competing with me on Yordan Jersey numbers. This after the black jersey number.

We are no longer friends. I will go broke buying all the rest of jersey numbers ever available to beat you.

Ugh, edit: BTW nice card.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

You are now officially competing with me on Yordan Jersey numbers. This after the black jersey number.

We are no longer friends. I will go broke buying all the rest of jersey numbers ever available to beat you.

Ugh, edit: BTW nice card.

If it’s any consolation, I did pass on this last night:



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[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

If it’s any consolation, I did pass on this last night:



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Can't wait to post this card when it arrives!

[towerymt]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

I would never crack open. I don't trust myself. I would just send in the PSA 9 slab and pay for them to regrade.

The method I send in the card should be irrelevant.

Sending it in while still in the holder would be a "review", sending it in raw would fall under "grading". If you complete a grading submission and send a slabbed card...no idea what they would do.

I just sent in a PSA-7 for review...first time trying this. I think they may just take the fee and send it right back, but some people have gotten bumps before.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Can't wait to post this card when it arrives!

[NYBBFAN]

Nothing fancy, but a fun one.

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

Nothing fancy, but a fun one.

Awesome looking card!


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[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by NYBBFAN

Nothing fancy, but a fun one.

Is that a father's day?

[NYBBFAN]

Originally Posted by NYRE2PECT

Awesome looking card!


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Thanks! Waited to find a decently centered one. Not as easy as it should be.

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Is that a father's day?

Nope, just a blue ref.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Can't wait to post this card when it arrives!

I should’ve known!


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[regularp]

Anybody win that Bowman Chrome Red that ended tonight?

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by towerymt

PSA holders are pretty easy and consistent to break open, in my limited experience. But I would not suggest making this your first attempt at doing it.

I think it's a waste of money to try to crack this and sub again. It's probably a 9 for a reason, so I was hinting at doing some closer inspection to see if you can determine why it got a 9. I would say that I could probably see why by just looking at it, but using magnification helps with making a positive determination. If a corner is pressed/pinched a little bit, it may not be obvious except with how the light reflects off it, so an experienced grader may spot it quickly, and a collector may not see it until it's pointed out. That's just the way it is with grading. I had to review a lot of cards, submit a lot of cards, and see the results to find out what is the limit of mint vs. gem mint. And that line is not always fixed....some PSA subs get crushed with 9s and others get high gem rates, and that's part of the risk.

I just checked the pop report and the Yordan Orange refractor only has a 50% gem rate. Five 9s, five 10s. Ten graded total. I'd look for surface issues, lines or scratch marks, as a possible reason for the low gem rate. Gold and Green similar gem rates. Red...0% gem! Four graded, all 9's. Blue, Purple, Prism, Negative, Xfractor all around the 60's % range for gem rate. Pink about 80% gem, Refractor about 70%, base over 78% gem. The lower end stuff is more common, so more easily rejected by graders, while the more rare stuff is sent in if it's borderline "could gem?" That's my theory.

The gem rate for the more rare parallels suggests to me this entire release may have common issues preventing PSA-10s.

Inspecting surfaces under bright light and inspecting corners under magnification should let an experienced submitter determine if a card should gem or not. I think a lot of people either don't do this level of inspection, or are not willing to NOT submit a card when it won't gem, just because it's rare/valuable. It didn't used to matter when PSA-9s were still profitable, but it's bad process.

This is how I behave for sure.

[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by regularp

Anybody win that Bowman Chrome Red that ended tonight?

How come a 2020 BC red 9.5 went for 600 but a Silver pack Red psa 10 went for 300?

Seams like a great price for the silver pack!

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

How come a 2020 BC red 9.5 went for 600 but a Silver pack Red psa 10 went for 300?

Seams like a great price for the silver pack!

Box topper vs. regular pack pull. Lots of deals this offseason.

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

How come a 2020 BC red 9.5 went for 600 but a Silver pack Red psa 10 went for 300?

Seams like a great price for the silver pack!

The BC is just a better card. The silver pack is a mojo of a retro design parallel. The BC is a main set card that really pops the color. 2020 Bowman is probably my absolute favorite year of the set design, too - I have a Yordan red RC auto and it's my #1 favorite Yordan card I own.

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

How come a 2020 BC red 9.5 went for 600 but a Silver pack Red psa 10 went for 300?

Seams like a great price for the silver pack!

If you were to rank the non-auto (mostly) red refractors /5, Bowman Chrome would probably be in fourth or fifth place (probably fifth, after the TC photo variation), where as the Silver Pack might not be Top 10.

This might not be the exact order (or complete list), but it probably goes something like this:

Topps Chrome
Topps Chrome Sapphire (or No. 1)
Topps Chrome “wave”
Finest Flashback
Topps Chrome photo variation
Bowman Chrome
Ben Baller
Stadium Club Chrome “shimmer”
A&G Chrome
Finest
Bowman Sterling
Stadium Club Chrome
Topps Chrome Black
Topps Chrome Sapphire Update RD
Silver Pack
Silver Pack Update Update
Topps Chrome 35th Anniversary
Gypsy Queen Chrome box-topper
Topps factory-set Chrome
Topps factory-set Chrome jersey
Topps Archives Red Foil


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[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by eye4talent

If you were to rank the non-auto (mostly) red refractors /5, Bowman Chrome would probably be in fourth or fifth place (probably fifth, after the TC photo variation), where as the Silver Pack might not be Top 10.

This might not be the exact order (or complete list), but it probably goes something like this:

Topps Chrome
Topps Chrome Sapphire (or No. 1)
Topps Chrome “wave”
Topps Chrome photo variation
Bowman Chrome
Stadium Club Chrome “shimmer”
A&G Chrome
Finest
Bowman Sterling
Stadium Club Chrome
Topps Chrome Black
Topps Chrome Sapphire Update RD
Silver Pack
Silver Pack Update Update
Topps Chrome 35th Anniversary
Gypsy Queen Chrome box-topper
Topps factory-set Chrome
Topps factory-set Chrome jersey
Topps Archives Red Foil


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Great Ranking! A lot of subjectivity I assume but as a general ranking this really helps me.

I never thought of the Yordan Sliding Chrome photo variation as such a top card.

And love the small unintentional needle to BGeezy with Bowman Sterling just ahead of Stadium Club Chrome! He can take it!

[Bambino22]

Originally Posted by tyrith

The BC is just a better card. The silver pack is a mojo of a retro design parallel. The BC is a main set card that really pops the color. 2020 Bowman is probably my absolute favorite year of the set design, too - I have a Yordan red RC auto and it's my #1 favorite Yordan card I own.

Nice! Going thru my collection I don't think I own a red auto of any release.

Have you ever posted it before? Would love to see it!

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Great Ranking! A lot of subjectivity I assume but as a general ranking this really helps me.

I never thought of the Yordan Sliding Chrome photo variation as such a top card.

And love the small unintentional needle to BGeezy with Bowman Sterling just ahead of Stadium Club Chrome! He can take it!

"Unintentional"

[tyrith]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Nice! Going thru my collection I don't think I own a red auto of any release.

Have you ever posted it before? Would love to see it!

It's probably in here somewhere, but sometime soon I'm going to get some good photos of all my stuff.

[BGeezy]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Nice! Going thru my collection I don't think I own a red auto of any release.

Have you ever posted it before? Would love to see it!

Oh you don't? That's a shame...

[eye4talent]

Originally Posted by Bambino22

Great Ranking! A lot of subjectivity I assume but as a general ranking this really helps me.

I never thought of the Yordan Sliding Chrome photo variation as such a top card.

And love the small unintentional needle to BGeezy with Bowman Sterling just ahead of Stadium Club Chrome! He can take it!

Subjective, and more like general groupings. Maybe every three of four have roughly the same appeal and could be re-ordered… I don’t love the TC photo variation, but it is the same card number as the base and pulled from regular Topps Chrome packs. Maybe the factory-set reds should be ranked higher, but my experience with the other parallels suggests they’re definitely lower down on the list.

As for Sterling ahead of Stadium Chrome… One of them is actually RED, while the other just has a red speck somewhere in a far-off corner. On the other hand, I have the shimmer ranked higher.


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