Luka traded to the Lakers

[RKH916]

It is highly likely that LeBron James is not a good person behind the scenes. This discussion is simply proof that everything is all about optics - the sport, like most industries in America, is tabloid driven.

He has a better public image than Michael Jordan, but that does not equate to a "better human being". False philanthropic efforts from the elite class - be they Jordan, James, or Gates - are investments in optics and reputation (or in Gates' case - power), not genuine altruistic or charitable causes.

FWIW, the more a person feels the need to bandwagon on whatever the current morality argument trend of the day is, the less likely I am to believe that they're a genuinely good person. Smells like Hollywood.

Shut up and ball may sound anti-intellectual... but there's quite an intellectual premise behind it.

If anybody here believes that LeBron hasn't cheated on his wife multiple times, done something potentially illegal at his Diddy parties, or that the LeBron James Family Foundation is a genuine altruistic cause... then that's okay... you're entitled to your naivety and celebrity worship. Hollywood has you good.

Celebrity worship is the worst thing to happen to Western culture.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by RKH916

It is highly likely that LeBron James is not a good person behind the scenes. This discussion is simply proof that everything is all about optics - the sport, like most industries in America, is tabloid driven.

He has a better public image than Michael Jordan, but that does not equate to a "better human being". False philanthropic efforts from the elite class - be they Jordan, James, or Gates - are investments in optics and reputation (or in Gates' case - power), not genuine altruistic or charitable causes.

FWIW, the more a person feels the need to bandwagon on whatever the current morality argument trend of the day is, the less likely I am to believe that they're a genuinely good person. Smells like Hollywood.

Shut up and ball may sound anti-intellectual... but there's quite an intellectual premise behind it.

If anybody here believes that LeBron hasn't cheated on his wife multiple times, done something potentially illegal at his Diddy parties, or that the LeBron James Family Foundation is a genuine altruistic cause... then that's okay... you're entitled to your naivety and celebrity worship. Hollywood got you good.

So this is all made up

Got it

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by asujbl

So this is all made up

Got it

You probably still believe Black Lives Matter was a grassroots organic movement and Greta Thunberg was just an innocent child trying to save humanity from itself.

Believe as you wish.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by RKH916

You probably still believe Black Lives Matter was a grassroots organic movement and Greta Thunberg was just an innocent child trying to save humanity from itself.

Believe as you wish.

200 posts in 5 months with no deals done

You’re here for sports cards. I just know it

Psychopath

[yiguiri2002]

Luka traded to Lakers thread turns into a LeBron/BLM/Greta/Gates/Diddy one.

It only took 26 pages though. Blowout needs to step it up.

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by asujbl

200 posts in 5 months with no deals done

You’re here for sports cards. I just know it

Every single post of mine outside of these have been directly related to sports cards. I have not been provoking, nor until now even entertaining, a conversation about sports players innate humanity ("LeBron is a better human being than Michael Jordan"). I simply opined on a conversation already being discussed by you and others.

Psychopath

Right. You're clearly a well adjusted individual with a very strong sense of reasoning.

Idiot.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by RKH916

Every single post of mine outside of these have been directly related to sports cards. I have not been provoking, nor until now even entertaining, a conversation about sports players innate humanity ("LeBron is a better human being than Michael Jordan"). I simply opined on a conversation already being discussed by you and others.



Right. You're clearly a well adjusted individual with a very strong sense of reasoning.

Idiot.

Psychopath

[RKH916]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Psychopath

Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster

psy·​cho·​path ˈsī-kə-ˌpath ˈsī-kō-
: a mentally unstable person
especially : a person having an egocentric and antisocial personality marked by a lack of remorse for one's actions, an absence of empathy for others, and often criminal tendencies

Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster

id·​i·​ot ˈi-dē-ət
plural idiots
: a foolish or stupid person

One of us is correct.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by RKH916

One of us is correct.

Psychopath

[Nomad]

If usagi tells you you are wrong once, ignore it. If it happens again, try a different tack. No one is saying is LeBron is a saint. What they are saying is that anyone in his position would probably have problems that are equal or worse.

I mean he could have been compromised as an asset back in 1989.

[ninjabum87]

Bro everything you said is just pure conjecture based on nothing but your gut feeling that the more you see a person doing positively for their community the worse a person you think they are behind closed doors.

Sounds like a good rationale for being someone who doesn't really try and make the world a better place to me.

"I could try and do good things, but then what would people think!? I don't want people to think I'm an a-hole or anything."

You're basically saying when you reach a certain level of social status you're not allowed to do anything philanthropic or it's just buying optics. That's the dumbest f'ing take I've seen in a while and that's saying something.

[KhalDrogo]

If Kyrie’s knee injury is serious, the trader winner is already settled. Would be the fastest settlement in the history of sports trades.

[Nomad]

Too late to tank for Cooper Cupp?

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

If Kyrie’s knee injury is serious, the trader winner is already settled. Would be the fastest settlement in the history of sports trades.

It was already settled before this, but this is just icing on the cake. The Nico juju is real.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

If Kyrie’s knee injury is serious, the trader winner is already settled. Would be the fastest settlement in the history of sports trades.

Plus the Mavs still want to increase ticket prices next season!

[robert0629]

Originally Posted by rats60

Why couldn't Jordan make the Finals more than 6 times? Why couldn't Jordan get past the Bucks, Celtics or Pistons until they got old? Sure Jordan won 6 Finals, but he never had to play a good team. He never had to play Hakeem. He got to play the Lakers when Worthy and Scott were hurt. He was good at beating mediocre teams like the Blazers, Suns, Sonics and Jazz, teams that never won anything when Jordan wasn't there.

At age 22, LeBron carried his team to the Finals when Jordan was getting swept by the Celtics at the same age. At age 35 LeBron won a championship when Jordan had quit at the same age because he wouldn't have Pippen and Rodman on the team. At age 38 LeBron carried his team to the WCF when Jordan couldn't even make the Playoffs At age 40 he has his team ready to make a run at the championship when Jordan wasn't good enough to be in the NBA.

Jordan never had to play without his co-stars like LeBron did in the 2015 Finals. Jordan never had to play a Dynasty in the Finals like the 2007 Spurs or the Warriors in 2017 & 2018. Sure, blame LeBron for the losses in 2011 & 2014 or the years they didn't make the Finals just like Jordan deserves the blame for not making the Finals until his 7th year in the NBA and getting his pocket picked by Nick Anderson and losing to the Magic in 1995. Just remember, Jordan never beat a 73 win team in the Finals like LeBron did either.

Originally Posted by rats60

Jordan's not the GOAT and he's never been. Jordanstans are worried that LeBron may pass Jordan as LeBron keeps playing at a high level and the Lakers keep trying to put together a team that can win a Championship. The thought that LeBron might win Championships at an age when Jordan was done is killing them.

The idea that one player is the GOAT is an opinion not a fact. Whether you accept it or not, many fans are of the opinion that Jordan’s the GOAT. I think you’re just upset that there are only three fans left who still think that Wilt’s the GOAT.

Since you brought it up. Jordan had a 30.6 Game Score for the series against the 67 win Celtic team in the 1986 first round playoff series. That Celtic team only lost one game at home all season, and is considered by many to be the greatest team of all time. He averaged 43.7 points on 51% from the floor and 87% from the line, 6.3 rebounds, 5.7 assists, 2.3 steals, and 1.3 blocks for the series.

LeBron’s Cavs beat a few cupcake teams to get to the Finals. Against the 58 win Spurs team, LeBron had a mediocre 10.6 Game Score for the series. He averaged 22.0 points on 36% from the floor and 69% from the line, 7.0 rebounds, 6.8 assists, 1.0 steals, and 0.5 blocks for the series.

Who was better?

Jordan beat more 60 win teams and 50 win teams in the playoffs than LeBron.

Yes LeBron beat a 73 win team. But that team lost five games in the playoffs before getting to the Finals. And it took a miracle to get them to the Finals. Klay played out of his mind in game 6, and both KD and Westbrook choked in the final two games. Beating that team was not as impressive as some think.

I must admit LeBron does look pretty good at his age. The problem is nobody really cares. Fans would rather watch Caitlin Clark these days. Look at what has happened to the NBA on LeBron’s watch. It’s sad. At the end of the day, these players are entertainers. If they’re not entertaining the fans, who cares how good they are? All six of Jordan’s NBA Finals appearances are in the top 10 most watched NBA Finals ever, including the top 4. The only one of LeBron’s Finals appearances that made the top 10 was the 2017 series against the Warriors, and that was tenth. It was even behind the Bulls versus Trailblazers Finals, which was 9th. Why do you think so many fans tuned in to watch Jordan? You don't think fans know what they're seeing, and can recognize greatness when it's happening? Why aren't as many fans doing the same for LeBron? Even Wilt admitted in an interview that no player had done more for the game of basketball that Michael Jordan.

Here’s one more fact for you. In 15 seasons Jordan has as many chips as both Wilt and LeBron combined in 35 seasons! You still want to put Jordan behind these two players?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by robert0629

The idea that one player is the GOAT is an opinion not a fact. Whether you accept it or not, many fans are of the opinion that Jordan’s the GOAT. I think you’re just upset that there are only three fans left who still think that Wilt’s the GOAT.

Since you brought it up. Jordan had a 30.6 Game Score for the series against the 67 win Celtic team in the 1986 first round playoff series. That Celtic team only lost one game at home all season, and is considered by many to be the greatest team of all time. He averaged 43.7 points on 51% from the floor and 87% from the line, 6.3 rebounds, 5.7 assists, 2.3 steals, and 1.3 blocks for the series.

LeBron’s Cavs beat a few cupcake teams to get to the Finals. Against the 58 win Spurs team, LeBron had a mediocre 10.6 Game Score for the series. He averaged 22.0 points on 36% from the floor and 69% from the line, 7.0 rebounds, 6.8 assists, 1.0 steals, and 0.5 blocks for the series.

Who was better?

Jordan beat more 60 win teams and 50 win teams in the playoffs than LeBron.

Yes LeBron beat a 73 win team. But that team lost five games in the playoffs before getting to the Finals. And it took a miracle to get them to the Finals. Klay played out of his mind in game 6, and both KD and Westbrook choked in the final two games. Beating that team was not as impressive as some think.

I must admit LeBron does look pretty good at his age. The problem is nobody really cares. Fans would rather watch Caitlin Clark these days. Look at what has happened to the NBA on LeBron’s watch. It’s sad. At the end of the day, these players are entertainers. If they’re not entertaining the fans, who cares how good they are? All six of Jordan’s NBA Finals appearances are in the top 10 most watched NBA Finals ever, including the top 4. The only one of LeBron’s Finals appearances that made the top 10 was the 2017 series against the Warriors, and that was tenth. It was even behind the Bulls versus Trailblazers Finals, which was 9th. Why do you think so many fans tuned in to watch Jordan? You don't think fans know what they're seeing, and can recognize greatness when it's happening? Why aren't as many fans doing the same for LeBron? Even Wilt admitted in an interview that no player had done more for the game of basketball that Michael Jordan.

Here’s one more fact for you. In 15 seasons Jordan has as many chips as both Wilt and LeBron combined in 35 seasons! You still want to put Jordan behind these two players?

Outstanding. Excellent retort.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by robert0629

The idea that one player is the GOAT is an opinion not a fact. Whether you accept it or not, many fans are of the opinion that Jordan’s the GOAT. I think you’re just upset that there are only three fans left who still think that Wilt’s the GOAT.

Since you brought it up. Jordan had a 30.6 Game Score for the series against the 67 win Celtic team in the 1986 first round playoff series. That Celtic team only lost one game at home all season, and is considered by many to be the greatest team of all time. He averaged 43.7 points on 51% from the floor and 87% from the line, 6.3 rebounds, 5.7 assists, 2.3 steals, and 1.3 blocks for the series.

LeBron’s Cavs beat a few cupcake teams to get to the Finals. Against the 58 win Spurs team, LeBron had a mediocre 10.6 Game Score for the series. He averaged 22.0 points on 36% from the floor and 69% from the line, 7.0 rebounds, 6.8 assists, 1.0 steals, and 0.5 blocks for the series.

Who was better?

Jordan beat more 60 win teams and 50 win teams in the playoffs than LeBron.

Yes LeBron beat a 73 win team. But that team lost five games in the playoffs before getting to the Finals. And it took a miracle to get them to the Finals. Klay played out of his mind in game 6, and both KD and Westbrook choked in the final two games. Beating that team was not as impressive as some think.

I must admit LeBron does look pretty good at his age. The problem is nobody really cares. Fans would rather watch Caitlin Clark these days. Look at what has happened to the NBA on LeBron’s watch. It’s sad. At the end of the day, these players are entertainers. If they’re not entertaining the fans, who cares how good they are? All six of Jordan’s NBA Finals appearances are in the top 10 most watched NBA Finals ever, including the top 4. The only one of LeBron’s Finals appearances that made the top 10 was the 2017 series against the Warriors, and that was tenth. It was even behind the Bulls versus Trailblazers Finals, which was 9th. Why do you think so many fans tuned in to watch Jordan? You don't think fans know what they're seeing, and can recognize greatness when it's happening? Why aren't as many fans doing the same for LeBron? Even Wilt admitted in an interview that no player had done more for the game of basketball that Michael Jordan.

Here’s one more fact for you. In 15 seasons Jordan has as many chips as both Wilt and LeBron combined in 35 seasons! You still want to put Jordan behind these two players?

Just ignoring the basketball boom of the 80s and 90s and what tv ratings were like pre internet. Foolish to base an argument over tv ratings for now and then. What’s happened to the nba is a reflection of the modern athlete and people in general. I guess mj is to blame since he was a team owner during this shift. Quoting wilt who died several years before LeBron began his career, ok. And these are the type of posts Herman props lmao. Being a primary fan of mj and also a LeBron fan, there are easy points to make to put mj ahead of LeBron. I never understand why people go so far out on the limb to reach for poor bad faith arguments.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Since the trade:

Mavs: 5-4, -35 point differential
Lakers: 6-2, +75 point differential

Mavs: 6-7, -75
Lakers: 10-2, +102

LOL LOL LOL

[Scottish Punk]

We shall see how bad Kyrie's knee is. There is only 5 weeks left in the season. Mavs are holding on to the 10th seed with like a 3-game lead over Phoenix. I can see this flipping if Kyrie is out for 3 weeks. How much incentive is it to get AD and Kyrie back into the lineup if you are trying to scratch your way back into the play in?

Kyrie has a player option in the off season. What does this injury do with that? I still think he opts out and tries to get one more big multi-year payday. Dallas would need to sign in for a longer deal if were to opt-in. Will be interesting to see his market if he goes into off season with knee questions.

I stated before, this Mavs trade could get really messy if Kyrie is gone. Christie and Klay are your backcourt. Gafford and Washington are on expiring contracts next year. This whole team may well be blown up next year. All because you didn't want to pay Luka max money.

[BlueXtreme]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Just ignoring the basketball boom of the 80s and 90s and what tv ratings were like pre internet. Foolish to base an argument over tv ratings for now and then. What’s happened to the nba is a reflection of the modern athlete and people in general. I guess mj is to blame since he was a team owner during this shift. Quoting wilt who died several years before LeBron began his career, ok. And these are the type of posts Herman props lmao. Being a primary fan of mj and also a LeBron fan, there are easy points to make to put mj ahead of LeBron. I never understand why people go so far out on the limb to reach for poor bad faith arguments.

We are now using tv ratings across decades to decide who is a better player.. yikes.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

We shall see how bad Kyrie's knee is. There is only 5 weeks left in the season. Mavs are holding on to the 10th seed with like a 3-game lead over Phoenix. I can see this flipping if Kyrie is out for 3 weeks. How much incentive is it to get AD and Kyrie back into the lineup if you are trying to scratch your way back into the play in?

Kyrie has a player option in the off season. What does this injury do with that? I still think he opts out and tries to get one more big multi-year payday. Dallas would need to sign in for a longer deal if were to opt-in. Will be interesting to see his market if he goes into off season with knee questions.

I stated before, this Mavs trade could get really messy if Kyrie is gone. Christie and Klay are your backcourt. Gafford and Washington are on expiring contracts next year. This whole team may well be blown up next year. All because you didn't want to pay Luka max money.

I will 100% guarantee you that Kyrie misses the rest of the regular season. That was not a mild sprain, which might get him back at the end of the month.

[BoSoxFan1999]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

“At the end of the day, it’s just basketball.”

Bron ain’t leading anything. Luka will have to if the Lakers want to win a ring.

You may be one of the dumbest posters on BO. And that's saying something because there are some real special people on here.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I will 100% guarantee you that Kyrie misses the rest of the regular season. That was not a mild sprain, which might get him back at the end of the month.

That was my initial reaction as well, but I don't like to make any declarations until we get more facts in. The contract will be interesting based on the prognosis on that knee. He is a small frame guy based on fast twitch movements. He is on the wrong side of 30 now, his athleticism is going to start dipping. I wouldn't sign in for a 4 year 50 million a year kind of deal. Mavs may be forced into just to be stubborn about winning now mode.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Mavs: 6-7, -75
Lakers: 10-2, +102

LOL LOL LOL

Go Nico!!