Will BBCE authenticated items take a dip?

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by Yankees2020

Who's the scammer in this case? Who knows how many times it was bought and sold...

Makes me wonder how much junk is out there in the hobby "authenticated" by BBCE with Mr T packs inside

I don't know. I'd say all of them based on what they call themselves lol

[cardsin47]

Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

Yeah, the "scammer" should have their tiny balls fried

Now THAT’S a video that would get a lot of views!

[oldgoldy97]

I remember when the shop I worked in got 60 cases of this stuff in.

I had to help the UPS driver bring it all in.

[dirtybirdbreaks]

This makes me think... has there ever been a situation (notable or not) where BBCE has rejected a product for authentication?

I'm sure it's happened I just can't remember seeing anything in my years browsing this forum.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by dirtybirdbreaks

This makes me think... has there ever been a situation (notable or not) where BBCE has rejected a product for authentication?

I'm sure it's happened I just can't remember seeing anything in my years browsing this forum.

Yes.

They rejected a large collection of vintage sports boxes last year that sold at auction for six figures.

not covered on this forum as it was strictly vintage.

[jduds]

Originally Posted by Yankees2020

You're exactly right. Case are a thing of the past after this one... and who knows how many thousands of "authenticated" case there are out there with Mr T Topps packs inside. smh

It's actually an area that was ripe for coordinated widespread fraud. Wouldn't be shocked if it is high.

[ScooterMcRibs]

Steve Hart has accomplished more in his life than 100 haters put together. He made a mistake by stepping outside his area of expertise and he paid the price. He will recover from this. I have 100% faith in Steve for authenticating vintage baseball wax. That's Steve's bread and butter and he knows more about it than any other human on this planet.

Steve is the greater man for coming out and admitting his mistake. We're all with you Steve during this hard time and we know you'll see it through. Thanks for your great contributions to the hobby, past and future.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by ScooterMcRibs

Steve Hart has accomplished more in his life than 100 haters put together. He made a mistake by stepping outside his area of expertise and he paid the price. He will recover from this. I have 100% faith in Steve for authenticating vintage baseball wax. That's Steve's bread and butter and he knows more about it than any other human on this planet.

Steve is the greater man for coming out and admitting his mistake. We're all with you Steve during this hard time and we know you'll see it through. Thanks for your great contributions to the hobby, past and future.

From another thread.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=172751

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by ScooterMcRibs

Steve Hart has accomplished more in his life than 100 haters put together. He made a mistake by stepping outside his area of expertise and he paid the price. He will recover from this. I have 100% faith in Steve for authenticating vintage baseball wax. That's Steve's bread and butter and he knows more about it than any other human on this planet.

Steve is the greater man for coming out and admitting his mistake. We're all with you Steve during this hard time and we know you'll see it through. Thanks for your great contributions to the hobby, past and future.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ScooterMcRibs

Steve Hart has accomplished more in his life than 100 haters put together. He made a mistake by stepping outside his area of expertise and he paid the price. He will recover from this. I have 100% faith in Steve for authenticating vintage baseball wax. That's Steve's bread and butter and he knows more about it than any other human on this planet.

Steve is the greater man for coming out and admitting his mistake. We're all with you Steve during this hard time and we know you'll see it through. Thanks for your great contributions to the hobby, past and future.

I didn’t see Steve admit anything.

“We we’re all fooled by this. Right?”

He has provided no insight into why he thought the case was authentic. And that’s because he had none. If he had just scanned the barcode, he wouldn’t have authenticated it. But he didn’t because he never has. His case authentication process is just him looking for evidence of tampering.

Makes you wonder if some of these wrapped ultra modern high-end cases are legitimate. Not that hard to duplicate. The supplies could even be back doored from the company. And again, it’s the perfect scam. If you’re buying a case of Prizm that costs tens of thousands of dollars, and paying a premium for the BBCE wrap, you’re not buying it to open.

https://www.blowoutcards.com/2019-20...e-wrapped.html

[wiper]

Originally Posted by ScooterMcRibs

Steve Hart has accomplished more in his life than 100 haters put together. He made a mistake by stepping outside his area of expertise and he paid the price. He will recover from this. I have 100% faith in Steve for authenticating vintage baseball wax. That's Steve's bread and butter and he knows more about it than any other human on this planet.

Steve is the greater man for coming out and admitting his mistake. We're all with you Steve during this hard time and we know you'll see it through. Thanks for your great contributions to the hobby, past and future.

he’s also f’ed up more than anyone here…

[ScooterMcRibs]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I didn’t see Steve admit anything.

“We we’re all fooled by this. Right?”

He has provided no insight into why he thought the case was authentic. And that’s because he had none. If he had just scanned the barcode, he wouldn’t have authenticated it. But he didn’t because he never has. His case authentication process is just him looking for evidence of tampering.

Makes you wonder if some of these wrapped ultra modern high-end cases are legitimate. Not that hard to duplicate. The supplies could even be back doored from the company. And again, it’s the perfect scam. If you’re buying a case of Prizm that costs tens of thousands of dollars, and paying a premium for the BBCE wrap, you’re not buying it to open.

https://www.blowoutcards.com/2019-20...e-wrapped.html

You're spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt here and it's not fair or appreciated. People open BBCE authenticated product all the time, they pay a premium to know that the item is authentic, and 99.99999% of the time the item is indeed authentic.

One could apply your same backward logic to PSA graded cards. "If you’re buying a graded card for tens of thousands of dollars, and paying a premium for the PSA gem, you’re not buying it to open." So check yourself before you wreck yourself.

[hammertime]

It's apples and oranges though, with a slabbed card you can...see the card.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ScooterMcRibs

You're spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt here and it's not fair or appreciated. People open BBCE authenticated product all the time, they pay a premium to know that the item is authentic, and 99.99999% of the time the item is indeed authentic.

One could apply your same backward logic to PSA graded cards. "If you’re buying a graded card for tens of thousands of dollars, and paying a premium for the PSA gem, you’re not buying it to open." So check yourself before you wreck yourself.

This is a BBCE thread, not a PSA thread. Tell me what you disagree with. Which I know you won’t, since this is your troll burner account.

[Boredlawyer]

Scooter McRibs is the best troll poster since Bob fett on BMB

[dizzydolse]

Originally Posted by ScooterMcRibs

You're spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt here and it's not fair or appreciated. People open BBCE authenticated product all the time, they pay a premium to know that the item is authentic, and 99.99999% of the time the item is indeed authentic.

One could apply your same backward logic to PSA graded cards. "If you’re buying a graded card for tens of thousands of dollars, and paying a premium for the PSA gem, you’re not buying it to open." So check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Wait, your first post was serious?

[ScooterMcRibs]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

This is a BBCE thread, not a PSA thread. Tell me what you disagree with. Which I know you won’t, since this is your troll burner account.

I just told you, and all you could respond with was personal attacks.

"If you’re buying a case of Prizm that costs tens of thousands of dollars, and paying a premium for the BBCE wrap, you’re not buying it to open."

Blatantly false. Go spread lies somewhere else, I know you like to have fun trying to ruin a man and his business but you've gone too far. Get a life hater.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ScooterMcRibs

I just told you, and all you could respond with was personal attacks.

"If you’re buying a case of Prizm that costs tens of thousands of dollars, and paying a premium for the BBCE wrap, you’re not buying it to open."

Blatantly false. Go spread lies somewhere else, I know you like to have fun trying to ruin a man and his business but you've gone too far. Get a life hater.

Why pay more for a BBCE wrapped case if you’re going to open it?

[pip]

Originally Posted by mc1

From another thread.

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=172751

That's a shocker. So Steve Hart has authenticated potentially hundreds/thousands of bogus 1970s cellos with stars on top. Cellos that are impossible due to specific Topps sequencing. I guess he's not really the pack-grading wizard that some here make him out to be. I still don't know how anyone can watch the video posted today and have any confidence in the guy.

[ScooterMcRibs]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Why pay more for a BBCE wrapped case if you’re going to open it?

I just told you why, scroll up and read.

Or better yet, ask this guy or the thousands of other guys who have videos of themselves opening authentic BBCE product:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D8c0-WaXk8

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by ScooterMcRibs

I just told you why, scroll up and read.

Or better yet, ask this guy or the thousands of other guys who have videos of themselves opening authentic BBCE product:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D8c0-WaXk8

Not sure what vintage baseball has to do with ultra modern basketball. Still doesn’t make sense why someone who is going to open a case of ultra modern Prizm would pay more for a BBCE wrapped case from Blowout than an unwrapped case from Blowout.

[pip]

Originally Posted by ScooterMcRibs

I just told you why, scroll up and read.

Or better yet, ask this guy or the thousands of other guys who have videos of themselves opening authentic BBCE product:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D8c0-WaXk8

So BBCE successfully authenticated a 1980, 1981 and 1982 Topps box. Impressive. Cookies for them and for you for finding the video. The veil has been removed and the scales have fallen from our eyes. We're doubters no longer.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by dizzydolse

Steve Hart's entire business strategy tragically and hilariously blew up in his face today. The fact that he let himself be filmed doing that is so sad, I actually do feel a little bad for the guy.

I don't see what's so amusing about it. You also have to remember that the video was edited. I don't believe that is every step they take to authenticate a sealed case. Either way, they are adjusting their protocol and that'll only benefit the hobby. People have short attention spans and business will still boom. Besides, who else out there is going to authenticate unopened Pokemon cases, boxes and packs?

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by pip

So BBCE successfully authenticated a 1980, 1981 and 1982 Topps box. Impressive. Cookies for them and for you for finding the video. The veil has been removed and the scales have fallen from our eyes. We're doubters no longer.

Do you know how long they've been in business and what they've authenticated?

[pip]

Originally Posted by Archangel1775

I don't see what's so amusing about it. You also have to remember that the video was edited. I don't believe that is every step they take to authenticate a sealed case. Either way, they are adjusting their protocol and that'll only benefit the hobby. People have short attention spans and business will still boom. Besides, who else out there is going to authenticate unopened Pokemon cases, boxes and packs?

So you're still advocating for BBCE's authentication of Pokémon products? Amazing.