2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by marl1220

My coworker's son got in trouble at school because he refused to say there are more than 2 genders. She told the administration that she refused to accept any punishment that might occur, but she'd tell him he has to be "respectful" towards people's beliefs. Sounds to me as though the schools need to be more "respectful" towards people's beliefs. These so called "evolving' ways of thinking seem to be very one sided when it comes to tolerance. But that is nothing new when it comes to a liberal thought process. It's either accept it, as we ram it down your throat, or be prepared to pay the price.

no doubt...IF and i mean if i ever have children, i think catholic or private school is the way to go. its not so much what they're teaching (though that is something i wouldnt want my children being taught) but its the age they teach these kids now, kids still need to be kids, not learn about all this stuff so early in life.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by marl1220

My coworker's son got in trouble at school because he refused to say there are more than 2 genders. She told the administration that she refused to accept any punishment that might occur, but she'd tell him he has to be "respectful" towards people's beliefs. Sounds to me as though the schools need to be more "respectful" towards people's beliefs. These so called "evolving' ways of thinking seem to be very one sided when it comes to tolerance. But that is nothing new when it comes to a liberal thought process. It's either accept it, as we ram it down your throat, or be prepared to pay the price.

"liberal thought process"

Lmao.

Maybe your coworker should homeschool their son.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

"liberal thought process"

Lmao.

Maybe your coworker should homeschool their son.

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Are we leaving the gender discussion and going back to school choice JR?! I'm ready!

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

"liberal thought process"

Lmao.

Maybe your coworker should homeschool their son.

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So I'm wrong in thinking that the "gender" question isn't being pushed by the liberal side of our society?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

"liberal thought process"

Lmao.

Maybe your coworker should homeschool their son.

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He is not wrong about saying it's the liberal thought process. It's all about inclusion and unity until you disagree with them. Once you don't agree with them they demonize you as not being open minded or inclusive.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

"liberal thought process"

Lmao.

Maybe your coworker should homeschool their son.

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Why should his coworker have to homeschool. Shouldn't her son be allowed to have his own beliefs?

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by marl1220

So I'm wrong in thinking that the "gender" question isn't being pushed by the liberal side of our society?

What you call liberal thought process I call science.

As much as NC wants to say science says there are two genders, I say let's ask the scientists. Medicine is a science. Psychiatry is a science. Psychology is a science. What do they say about the existence of multiple genders?

Honestly, I haven't looked it up yet. Pretty confident I know what I'll find though. I'll find both answers, but a huge majority will be what you call liberal.

If science is a liberal position, conservatives are in trouble.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

He is not wrong about saying it's the liberal thought process. It's all about inclusion and unity until you disagree with them. Once you don't agree with them they demonize you as not being open minded or inclusive.

Both sides do this, although I'll agree the left does it more and it's not cool.

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[jdandns]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Last year sucka!

Who's in charge now #*$&!

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Just noticed my bad.

Yikes!
When Chapmans is accurately fact-checking you, Chris, it's time to quit.

Originally Posted by marl1220

So I'm wrong in thinking that the "gender" question isn't being pushed by the liberal side of our society?

It doesn't have to be "pushed".
It is what it is and only new scientific discoveries can change what that is, and even then, only very slowly.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

What you call liberal thought process I call science.

As much as NC wants to say science says there are two genders, I say let's ask the scientists. Medicine is a science. Psychiatry is a science. Psychology is a science. What do they say about the existence of multiple genders?

Honestly, I haven't looked it up yet. Pretty confident I know what I'll find though. I'll find both answers, but a huge majority will be what you call liberal.

If science is a liberal position, conservatives are in trouble.

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science yes. Male and Female, there are the rare jamie lee curtis situations, but they seem to handle that at the hospital at birth. If i had a nickel for every gender that exists, i would have 10 cents.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Yikes!
When Chapmans is accurately fact-checking you, Chris, it's time to quit.



It doesn't have to be "pushed".
It is what it is and only new scientific discoveries can change what that is, and even then, only very slowly.

They push it even without to by saying that you should be able identify with the gender that you feel you are and thus you can go into any bathroom you want.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Yikes!
When Chapmans is accurately fact-checking you, Chris, it's time to quit.



It doesn't have to be "pushed".
It is what it is and only new scientific discoveries can change what that is, and even then, only very slowly.

If i stopped just because i made a mistake then i would never accomplish anything. And NC fact checking me isnt something to be ashamed of.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by lietuvalabas

science yes. Male and Female, there are the rare jamie lee curtis situations, but they seem to handle that at the hospital at birth. If i had a nickel for every gender that exists, i would have 10 cents.

Isn't it that simple?

When you're born, the doctor knows male or female. There's no confusion, there's no debate, there's no questioning. It's absolute. To argue that no, actually, there are many different choices ... well ... I'm listening. What are they? It's the very same argument about Trump and dangerous comments. You want me to believe that what he's saying is dangerous, then you have to show me what the danger is. If you can't do that, then your theory is bogus.

Show me the other genders. Who are these people; what are the genders and how are they described, how are the identified, how are they labeled by doctors and scientists? OR, are we talking about crazies online who have adopted an ideology and are defining terms for themselves?

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

What you call liberal thought process I call science.

As much as NC wants to say science says there are two genders, I say let's ask the scientists. Medicine is a science. Psychiatry is a science. Psychology is a science. What do they say about the existence of multiple genders?

Honestly, I haven't looked it up yet. Pretty confident I know what I'll find though. I'll find both answers, but a huge majority will be what you call liberal.

If science is a liberal position, conservatives are in trouble.

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Soft science at best. But if we're going down that road then I could argue that a persons thought process is based on beliefs. Our beliefs fall under the psychiatry or psychology realm. Beliefs are influenced by outside entities such as religion or politics. The Democratic party falls under this category. One of their issues that they are championing is the matter of genders. Thus it is a liberal thought process (for lack of better terms).

I'm over simplifying something that is far from simple. My point is that theory is not fact. Facts can be proved where as theories are based on a combination of facts that might, or might not, prove an accepted belief.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

If i stopped just because i made a mistake then i would never accomplish anything. And NC fact checking me isnt something to be ashamed of.

Sorry, but someone who is himself constantly, demonstrably wrong informing you that you have just breathlessly posted actual fake news you got from Chachi's Twitter very much is.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by jdandns

Sorry, but someone who is himself constantly, demonstrably wrong informing you that you have just breathlessly posted actual fake news you got from Chachi's Twitter very much is.

Whatever JD you are entitled to your opinions. Im done talking about that subject

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

They push it even without to by saying that you should be able identify with the gender that you feel you are and thus you can go into any bathroom you want.

I get the argument, but it's not that simple.

These two images are of the same person. This person was born female but transitioned.

Would you suggest this person should be forced to use the ladies room?



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[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I get the argument, but it's not that simple.

These two images are of the same person. This person was born female but transitioned.

Would you suggest this person should be forced to use the ladies room?



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This is not what i was talking about at all. They are saying that you should be able to identify without even transitioning or anything

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by marl1220

Soft science at best. But if we're going down that road then I could argue that a persons thought process is based on beliefs. Our beliefs fall under the psychiatry or psychology realm. Beliefs are influenced by outside entities such as religion or politics. The Democratic party falls under this category. One of their issues that they are championing is the matter of genders. Thus it is a liberal thought process (for lack of better terms).

I'm over simplifying something that is far from simple. My point is that theory is not fact. Facts can be proved where as theories are based on a combination of facts that might, or might not, prove an accepted belief.

Your theory on this is not fact.

See how that works? I can do that too, lol.

Maybe neither theory is fact. Idk. But if NC wants to talk about science saying male or female only, let's ask the scientists.

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[yanksfan1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYbteM7KLhI

Another great closing last night on Real Time with Bill Maher

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by discostu

You spouted nonsense about a mythical federal election law related to the acceptance of mail in ballots after Election Day, somehow claiming that these elections fell under a federal law that superceded state laws. Your premise what that votes would be contested should they be received by the states after Election Day, regardless of state election laws.

Revisit as you wish.

You were strong in your stance.

It was wrong then, it's still wrong.

Stick to numbers, leaves you less room for garbage.

Numbers haven't worked so well either in a lot of cases. NeedsChapman was adamant total mortality would be down this year, even when it was already clear that would be disastrously wrong.

Time to put this thread out to pasture.

[JustRachel]

I was trying to think of a medical organization that should be respected. I settled on the American Medical Association, since that's really the only one I could think of, haha. So I searched "AMA gender" and this popped up first.

This is what our national organization of medical scientists say about gender.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cente...Times%20report.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

This is not what i was talking about at all. They are saying that you should be able to identify without even transitioning or anything

So like, some grizzly lumberjack perv goes into a ladies room, scares a bunch of women, the cops come, and the burly dude says "but I think I'm a woman".

Icky. Yeah, I get it. Not cool.

What constitutes "transitioning"? I suppose a line exists somewhere between the grizzly lumberjack and a fully transitioned person who no longer has male parts at all, but where is it? What about a person wearing a dress, with breast implants, looks like a woman but still is male "downstairs"?

Heck idk. It gets complex for sure.

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[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I was trying to think of a medical organization that should be respected. I settled on the American Medical Association, since that's really the only one I could think of, haha. So I searched "AMA gender" and this popped up first.

This is what our national organization of medical scientists say about gender.

https://www.ama-assn.org/press-cente...Times%20report.

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Putting the opinion of trained/experienced scientists and medical professionals in front of Trumpers is about as effective as trying to plug a leaking dam with playdoh...

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

So like, some grizzly lumberjack perv goes into a ladies room, scares a bunch of women, the cops come, and the burly dude says "but I think I'm a woman".

Icky. Yeah, I get it. Not cool.

What constitutes "transitioning"? I suppose a line exists somewhere between the grizzly lumberjack and a fully transitioned person who no longer has male parts at all, but where is it? What about a person wearing a dress, with breast implants, looks like a woman but still is male "downstairs"?

Heck idk. It gets complex for sure.

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Thats the problem is many dont want any line. They want it to be all about how you identify