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VeedonFleece · 09-26-2016, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Astros19

Tell that to the Vietnam Nam vets.

Your very first post on these boards. No 'hello, I'm Astros, long time listener/first time caller' type stuff. Just a mildly condescending post.

(I'll largely ignore the 'Vietnam Nam' thing. We can all make an error in our rush to indroduce ourselves to the rest of the forum.)

Who wouldn't think PBM?

corndog · 09-26-2016, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Ive noticed that the same people sling insults and bait when they can't even productively add to the debate. Thats why I'm done. Not a single fact has been put out in the past page to justify the death of innocent life beside.. 'Murica!'

OK, here it is in a nutshell - the two atomic bombs in Japan:

Towards the end of the Pacific part of WW2 (the part started by the Japanese attacking us without warning), the Japanese were resorting to suicide missions with aircraft. They also had proven that they would continue to fight until dead or commit suicide rather than surrender (Okinawa, Saipan and the Aleutian Islands - now part of Alaska). Civilians too - they had been lied to and told repeatedly that the U.S. would torture and kill them if they surrendered. The U.S. had now dropped bombs over Tokyo proving to the Japanese people that the war had reached their homeland. With the obvious outcome shown, the U.S. gave the Japanese an opportunity to surrender or face an immense consequence - they said no. We dropped an atom bomb, thus showing them what the immense consequence was. We gave them another opportunity to surrender. They again said no. We dropped a second and only THEN did they surrender. Now who do you blame? Was it the "irresponsible" Americans that you keep talking about?

Brobocop · 09-26-2016, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by quackhead

What are the odds on her cancelling the debate? She still can't get up and down stairs very well and needs a larger podium for the debate. Maybe she should just Skype it in.

She doesn't need it but should have it. She is ten inches shorter than Trump. There are a fair amount of people out there who would see that height difference and without thinking about it, consider her to be the lesser of the two. That's all the larger podium is there for. No conspiracy.

oldgoldy97 · 09-26-2016, 06:45 AM

History is written by the victors.

Boo · 09-26-2016, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Clarka3

i think he abandons the wall thing asap.

Hillary will rip on him for it, and he'll walk back on it. He'll take a short term beating on it, but make longterm gains i think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezaw-g6TIQI

jarrodsalas · 09-26-2016, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Clarka3

i think he abandons the wall thing asap.

Hillary will rip on him for it, and he'll walk back on it. He'll take a short term beating on it, but make longterm gains i think.

You do know that there are currently large sections of walls that we have funded correct? There is also current construction along the border.

jlzinck · 09-26-2016, 07:12 AM

My only hope is that Trump calls her a "Lying C-Word". She has a mental breakdown and cannot continue with her campaign. Then Trump has an Epiphany and decides not to run as well.
Biden wins the Presidency by default and the country embraces him as he is the most decent person to run for President in a generation

TheHeel · 09-26-2016, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jlzinck

My only hope is that Trump calls her a "Lying C-Word". She has a mental breakdown and cannot continue with her campaign. Then Trump has an Epiphany and decides not to run as well.
Biden wins the Presidency by default and the country embraces him as he is the most decent person to run for President in a generation

I wish.

Biden would be awesome.

Brobocop · 09-26-2016, 07:38 AM

I honestly feel that if someone like Rubio, Kasich, Romney, even Bush had won the GOP nomination, this thing would be well in hand for the GOP. Amazing how both parties somehow managed to nominate people who are so divisive. That's what this country needs right now, more divisiveness.

jarrodsalas · 09-26-2016, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Brobocop

I honestly feel that if someone like Rubio, Kasich, Romney, even Bush had won the GOP nomination, this thing would be well in hand for the GOP. Amazing how both parties somehow managed to nominate people who are so divisive. That's what this country needs right now, more divisiveness.

I disagree. The Republican party has been very weak and status quo for a very long time. No way we would see the passion that we are seeing today.

ssbledsoe · 09-26-2016, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jlzinck

My only hope is that Trump calls her a "Lying C-Word". She has a mental breakdown and cannot continue with her campaign. Then Trump has an Epiphany and decides not to run as well.
Biden wins the Presidency by default and the country embraces him as he is the most decent person to run for President in a generation

My hope is that they both come out on stage arm in arm and introduce Trump's new TV Show "The Candidates". At the end, there's a big reveal of the actual Duopoly Presidential Candidates; Trump and Hillary precede to make out on camera while the nation isn't sure to be sickened by their display of tonsil hockey and groping, or relieved that this was all one big joke...

calculusdork · 09-26-2016, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jlzinck

My only hope is that Trump calls her a "Lying C-Word". She has a mental breakdown and cannot continue with her campaign. Then Trump has an Epiphany and decides not to run as well.
Biden wins the Presidency by default and the country embraces him as he is the most decent person to run for President in a generation

LOL

At this point, I'd be all in on that.

Orangejello727 · 09-26-2016, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jlzinck

My only hope is that Trump calls her a "Lying C-Word". She has a mental breakdown and cannot continue with her campaign. Then Trump has an Epiphany and decides not to run as well.
Biden wins the Presidency by default and the country embraces him as he is the most decent person to run for President in a generation

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

I wish.

Biden would be awesome.

If Biden wins, the whole country celebrates with ice cream.

Skipscards · 09-26-2016, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Brobocop

I honestly feel that if someone like Rubio, Kasich, Romney, even Bush had won the GOP nomination, this thing would be well in hand for the GOP. Amazing how both parties somehow managed to nominate people who are so divisive. That's what this country needs right now, more divisiveness.

This.

All of this is Biden's and Romney's fault. Had either of them run we could have had an actual grown up as President. I would have voted for either of them against either of the two major party candidates currently running.

Brobocop · 09-26-2016, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

I disagree. The Republican party has been very weak and status quo for a very long time. No way we would see the passion that we are seeing today.

You might be right. The passion people have for Trump seems akin to the passion people had for Obama. The Democrats don't seem all that into Clinton. I wonder if that might cost her a state or two.

ssbledsoe · 09-26-2016, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipscards

This.

All of this is Biden's and Romney's fault. Had either of them run we could have had an actual grown up as President. I would have voted for either of them against either of the two major party candidates currently running.

While I would be voting GJ in that (or any) situation, I'd be far less pessimistic about the election than I am now. That said, Trump and Hillary have been the best thing that could happen to the third parties. When 60% of the nation is thinking "eff that noise", it has pushed a lot of people to investigate the lesser known candidates.

Clarka3 · 09-26-2016, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Boo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezaw-g6TIQI

come on- that's not the same thing that Trump has been saying and you know it.

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Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

You do know that there are currently large sections of walls that we have funded correct? There is also current construction along the border.

yes, i'm not stupid. Trump has been calling for "a wall" that mexico will pay for. I think he'll abandon that at the first opportunity, which would be smart for him to do so.

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Originally Posted by Brobocop

I honestly feel that if someone like Rubio, Kasich, Romney, even Bush had won the GOP nomination, this thing would be well in hand for the GOP. Amazing how both parties somehow managed to nominate people who are so divisive. That's what this country needs right now, more divisiveness.

i disagree with most of their politics, but they would all be easier to vote for than Trump.

Skipscards · 09-26-2016, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

While I would be voting GJ in that (or any) situation, I'd be far less pessimistic about the election than I am now. That said, Trump and Hillary have been the best thing that could happen to the third parties. When 60% of the nation is thinking "eff that noise", it has pushed a lot of people to investigate the lesser known candidates.

It's a fair point and one of the very reasons I'm likely voting for Gary Johnson this cycle. If the Libertarians can get just enough of the popular vote to get access to public funding in 2020, we may have a chance to change the political dynamic in our country.

I also live in Maryland which will vote for Hillary no matter what. May as well put my vote to good use.

I have two close friends in NC where one is a Dem and one is a Rep and they have agreed to vote Johnson since they'd cancel each other out anyway for the same reason.

jarrodsalas · 09-26-2016, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Clarka3

come on- that's not the same thing that Trump has been saying and you know it.

yes, i'm not stupid. Trump has been calling for "a wall" that mexico will pay for. I think he'll abandon that at the first opportunity, which would be smart for him to do so.

i disagree with most of their politics, but they would all be easier to vote for than Trump.

Clarka. You are an educator. Think outside the box for a moment. Our trade deficit with Mexico was around 50 billion dollars last year. 50 billion. Remittances to mexico from the US were somewhere around 30 billion. That doesn't include actual cash flowing down on money trains. This is money being made here in the US and being sent down for families to spend there. We are definitely in a position to strong arm them. While some may not think that would be fair you have to look at the other side of the equation. Charging them for the wall is not out of the question.

And don't get me started on tariffs and NAFTA (sent tens if not hundreds of thousands of jobs down there). That opens up an entirely different scope on the issue.

Edit: plus the burden of illegal immigration from Mexico on US taxpayers.

ssbledsoe · 09-26-2016, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Clarka. You are an educator. Think outside the box for a moment. Our trade deficit with Mexico was around 50 billion dollars last year. 50 billion. Remittances to mexico from the US were somewhere around 30 billion. That doesn't include actual cash flowing down on money trains. This is money being made here in the US and being sent down for families to spend there. We are definitely in a position to strong arm them. While some may not think that would be fair you have to look at the other side of the equation. Charging them for the wall is not out of the question.

And don't get me started on tariffs and NAFTA (sent tens if not hundreds of thousands of jobs down there). That opens up an entirely different scope on the issue.

Edit: plus the burden of illegal immigration from Mexico on US taxpayers.

NAFTA...the brain child of Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend...who happens to be married to a current presidential candidate. I'm sure that zebras stripes have changed

chezball · 09-26-2016, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

NAFTA...the brain child of Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend...who happens to be married to a current presidential candidate. I'm sure that zebras stripes have changed

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Lq5Jy6EII-JLcg
He signed it but bush was the creator of the bill along with the Mexican and Canadian Presidents.

Clarka3 · 09-26-2016, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Clarka. You are an educator. Think outside the box for a moment. Our trade deficit with Mexico was around 50 billion dollars last year. 50 billion. Remittances to mexico from the US were somewhere around 30 billion. That doesn't include actual cash flowing down on money trains. This is money being made here in the US and being sent down for families to spend there. We are definitely in a position to strong arm them. While some may not think that would be fair you have to look at the other side of the equation. Charging them for the wall is not out of the question.

And don't get me started on tariffs and NAFTA (sent tens if not hundreds of thousands of jobs down there). That opens up an entirely different scope on the issue.

Edit: plus the burden of illegal immigration from Mexico on US taxpayers.

oh, i'm not debating the money being spent outside the country that is made here. We could force Apple to build a wall around our entire country for all that cheddar they take out of the country too.

Just the "we'll make Mexico pay for the wall" line is silly. They wouldn't do that. And we couldn't make them short of a war. What would we do to make them pay for it? And make sure it's a method that isn't going to cause a national or international disturbance.

jarrodsalas · 09-26-2016, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Clarka3

oh, i'm not debating the money being spent outside the country that is made here. We could force Apple to build a wall around our entire country for all that cheddar they take out of the country too.

Just the "we'll make Mexico pay for the wall" line is silly. They wouldn't do that. And we couldn't make them short of a war. What would we do to make them pay for it? And make sure it's a method that isn't going to cause a national or international disturbance.

Tariffs. A lot of items are exported to Mexico from the US tax free. Importing from countries other than Mexico. Tax money being sent down there...

I think you are taking his comment too literal and not realizing his plan behind it.

ssbledsoe · 09-26-2016, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by chezball

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...Lq5Jy6EII-JLcg
He signed it but bush was the creator of the bill along with the Mexican and Canadian Presidents.

Didn't he rework portions of the bill from Bush's original idea? I'd look it up, but I'm too busy being a jackwagon in the Seneca Wallace thread (or in general). Either way, the Clinton's thought it was a good piece of legislation 20 odd years ago. Funny how their new corporate masters are telling them otherwise with TPP. Just proof she's for sale to the highest donor/bidder...

cruiserdaddy7 · 09-26-2016, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Tariffs. A lot of items are exported to Mexico from the US tax free. Importing from countries other than Mexico. Tax money being sent down there...

I think you are taking his comment too literal and not realizing his plan behind it.

Exactly. So many falsely think he means cut a check for the wall.

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Brobocop Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 14,213 brobocop2	I honestly feel that if someone like Rubio, Kasich, Romney, even Bush had won the GOP nomination, this thing would be well in hand for the GOP. Amazing how both parties somehow managed to nominate people who are so divisive. That's what this country needs right now, more divisiveness.