2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

The millions and millions that buy what he's spewing and believing it to be fact is harmful. The fact you choose not to see this or ignore it is mindblowing. I see what you're doing here though. It's cute, it's on point for you, it's really your shtick.

I'm not doing anything here. You're the one claiming harm when there is none. You have cited nothing.

The harm you believe he's doing is just fantasy.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Hmm. It sounds like you're missing the piece at the end. "Trump declares victory, loses ... THEN ..."



Why doesn't anyone want to fill it in? I don't understand. You have moon landings, murders etc up there but can't seem to tell me what is going to happen here. Why is that?

First, I don't deserve to be lumped in with the crowd you're currently dissing.

Now that that's out of the way, let me explain....

I suppose we'll see what happens next. Maybe something, maybe nothing, idk. But that's not my issue. Trump's words matter at times. Whether these particular "I won" tweets have real world consequences is yet to be determined, but other words of his have absolutely had consequences.

Arguments could be made that no violence has yet resulted. Those arguments could be countered, and then we go down a cause/effect rabbit hole. I have little desire for that. I'd concede the point merely because I believe the damage done is measured in other ways.

Trump's whackjob claims have caused unnecessary problems. I see that as readily evident. The extent of those problems and which claims caused them is debatable, but the concept of a president's radical claims not causing problems is simply a form of denial.

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[rman112]

Originally Posted by Boo

I wouldn't call whining about everything Trump says or does a party.

Misery loves company.

[thenwhatjk]

What would you guys do without JustRachel

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

What would you guys do without JustRachel

They'd rejoice.

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[rman112]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

3rd highest unemployment rate in the country
2nd highest mortality rate in the country
$86B budget shortfall
350,000 Manhattan residents filed change of address forms in six months
10's of thousands of unnecessary nursing home deaths
$68M wasted in building unused hospitals across the state

Congrats Andrew!

See. Good words (sometimes) are what really matters.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I think the more accurate thing is, can we stop being told to wear a mask to protect others? The most utter BS I have ever heard to make people feel good/bad depending on their mask wearing.

According to yesterday's Republican appointed White House Covid Task Force press briefing, no.

The group of officials, the doctors, generals, and cabinet members that comprise our nation's task force, formed by Trump and headed up by his right hand man, presented a unanimous front in their position on wearing masks. They said we need to keep doing it.

I guess they didn't see the Dutch study. Or, more likely, they saw it for the hogwash it is. Idk.

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[Boo]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

According to yesterday's Republican appointed White House Covid Task Force press briefing, no.

The group of officials, the doctors, generals, and cabinet members that comprise our nation's task force, formed by Trump and headed up by his right hand man, presented a unanimous front in their position on wearing masks. They said we need to keep doing it.

I guess they didn't see the Dutch study. Or, more likely, they saw it for the hogwash it is. Idk.

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The director of the CDC also said that kids are safer going to school. Yet millions of kids are being forced to do virtual learning.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Boo

The director of the CDC also said that kids are safer going to school. Yet millions of kids are being forced to do virtual learning.

Good point. I have a few things to say about that but overall, lockdowns suck.

I'd say that schools are about more than just kids. Teachers, admin, bus drivers, etc are involved. My hubby and I have discussed our wishes if his school reopens completely (right now it's a hybrid plan). He decided he would quit his job rather than increase his risk of bringing it home to me, since I am higher risk. A hybrid plan in which he can keep kids spread out more and enforce hand sanitizing and such is about the extent of the risk he is willing to take. He is not alone among the teachers of his school. So there's that....

I suspect schools in different areas are in different situations with Covid. I'd like to see local officials make these calls, and the CDC opinion I believe is a good national strategy insofar as it allows schools to stay open or to close if needed.

I agreed with nearly everything they said. I wish they hadn't waited four months to say it though. And I think Trump's absence was a good thing. His presence would've distracted from the issues.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

First, I don't deserve to be lumped in with the crowd you're currently dissing.

Now that that's out of the way, let me explain....

I suppose we'll see what happens next. Maybe something, maybe nothing, idk. But that's not my issue. Trump's words matter at times. Whether these particular "I won" tweets have real world consequences is yet to be determined, but other words of his have absolutely had consequences.

Arguments could be made that no violence has yet resulted. Those arguments could be countered, and then we go down a cause/effect rabbit hole. I have little desire for that. I'd concede the point merely because I believe the damage done is measured in other ways.

Trump's whackjob claims have caused unnecessary problems. I see that as readily evident. The extent of those problems and which claims caused them is debatable, but the concept of a president's radical claims not causing problems is simply a form of denial.

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Still waiting. Twice you said his words have had real world consequences.

What is the thing with people making this claim, then hiding in a hole? Please don't go hiding.

Show me where his words, not his actions, have had tangible impact. Not psychological; as I concede just from the last two days, he's had plenty of psychological impact!

[Zedlaw]

This thread certainly pivots quickly between attacks on media and claiming the powerlessness of words

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Still waiting. Twice you said his words have had real world consequences.

What is the thing with people making this claim, then hiding in a hole? Please don't go hiding.

Show me where his words, not his actions, have had tangible impact. Not psychological; as I concede just from the last two days, he's had plenty of psychological impact!

Biden won. That's a real world impact.

Seriously, impacts of his nonsense are all over the place.

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[cnewby]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Biden won. That's a real world impact.

Seriously, impacts of his nonsense are all over the place.

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You are officially lumped. And rightfully so.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Still waiting. Twice you said his words have had real world consequences.

Two people were arrested carrying automatic weapons by a convention center.

Arizona's Sec. of State received death threats.

There are several examples of threats and intimidation tactics like this (and honestly thanks to Covid I actually probably have the time to find more), but the stories would be similar.

Do you think that these two incidents would have happened had Trump not been tweeting out about how the election was stolen and rigged against him?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by free2131

Two people were arrested carrying automatic weapons by a convention center.

Arizona's Sec. of State received death threats.

There are several examples of threats and intimidation tactics like this (and honestly thanks to Covid I actually probably have the time to find more), but the stories would be similar.

Do you think that these two incidents would have happened had Trump not been tweeting out about how the election was stolen and rigged against him?

I'm not sure I follow. How are the arrests connected to Trump? I don't even see where it says it has anything to do w/ politics.

Are you just posting links to random news stories?

[rcmb3220]

I smoke 4 packs a day but I’m fine since I don’t have cancer.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Biden won. That's a real world impact.

Seriously, impacts of his nonsense are all over the place.

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LOL; Amazing.

Trumps words certainly did have an impact on him losing the election. That is the one thing I do say where politicans words count - elections. The whole business is built simply to gain votes / win elections.

"All over the place" is the same garbage people spew when they say "laundry list of racism" and "too many to count". It's a tell that they have nothing.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

I smoke 4 packs a day but I’m fine since I don’t have cancer.

I'm beginning to worry.

PLEASE STOP! These analogies are just brutally awful.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I'm beginning to worry.

PLEASE STOP! These analogies are just brutally awful.

Why are you getting worked up over words? Come join me at the beer hall. I’m speaking later.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I'm not sure I follow. How are the arrests connected to Trump? I don't even see where it says it has anything to do w/ politics.



Are you just posting links to random news stories?

Workplaces have become so polarized in places that party affiliation matters to some employers. People in society have separated themselves like never before, as seen here. Centrists chose a side. All of that is because of Trump and his nonsense. You're either with Trump or against him, because unlike other presidents, Trump is either here to save the world or destroy it. Those feelings came from his nonsensical conspiracy crap. And it's not good.

Now we have to suffer through four years of a democratic ham sandwich, not because anyone likes Biden but because a record number of people voted against Trump. That's not going to be good.

Hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people failed to take Covid seriously from the start, since Trump said it was a media hoax designed to take down his presidency. That's not good. People died.

We spent billions on a half of a wall because Trump convinced people that MS13 was going to come rape them if we didn't. That's not good.

The list could go on for hours....

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[free2131]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I'm not sure I follow. How are the arrests connected to Trump? I don't even see where it says it has anything to do w/ politics.

Are you just posting links to random news stories?

You're arguing in bad faith. You know exactly what the two arrested had to do with politics. You know why people are getting death threats and threats of violence who are involved in swing states and vote tabulation.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Why are you getting worked up over words? Come join me at the beer hall. I’m speaking later.

Smoking can cause cancer. I believe that is fact, yes?

Saying "I WON" and "Look at this vote dump at 3am" and "Rigged election" to my knowledge, does not cause violence, civil war, or physical pain. No proven link yet but I guess the science is still out.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Workplaces have become so polarized in places that party affiliation matters to some employers. People in society have separated themselves like never before, as seen here. Centrists chose a side. All of that is because of Trump and his nonsense. You're either with Trump or against him, because unlike other presidents, Trump is either here to save the world or destroy it. Those feelings came from his nonsensical conspiracy crap. And it's not good.

Now we have to suffer through four years of a democratic ham sandwich, not because anyone likes Biden but because a record number of people voted against Trump. That's not going to be good.

Hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people failed to take Covid seriously from the start, since Trump said it was a media hoax designed to take down his presidency. That's not good. People died.

We spent billions on a half of a wall because Trump convinced people that MS13 was going to come rape them if we didn't. That's not good.

The list could go on for hours....

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I think NC is just trolling now. At least I hope he is...

[JustRachel]

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-up...ooting-suspect

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by free2131

You're arguing in bad faith. You know exactly what the two arrested had to do with politics. You know why people are getting death threats and threats of violence who are involved in swing states and vote tabulation.

No I don't. Never heard of these two people and there is no reference in the article you provided that says it has anything to do w/ politics. It doesn't even mention the election or Trump. It's just "two men arrested".

Also, I do know why people are getting death threats. Because people are crazy. Donald Trump has not incited violence or said anything even remotely close to that. He's just being a selfish tool venting on Twitter. If you draw the conclusion of him saying "FOX News should never have called Arizona" to the SOS in the state getting death threats, thank God you are not in the legal field.

If you want me to believe his words have consequences, you have to show me which words. What did he say that caused Katie Hobbs to get death threats? Spell it out.