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[ninjacookies]

21 years old ---> 'will never be.'

Speculative absolutes are fun.

Also; Z was the only reason why I ordered league pass. And was almost the reason why I cancelled.

[JAMSC]

No player is exactly equivalent to another player. So when comparisons are made, context is important. The Embiid comparison is analogous in terms of injury concerns, likely never expecting them to play a full season, and level of production/value when they are on the court, but not necessarily to say they have the exact same game.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by JAMSC

No player is exactly equivalent to another player. So when comparisons are made, context is important. The Embiid comparison is analogous in terms of injury concerns, likely never expecting them to play a full season, and level of production/value when they are on the court, but not necessarily to say they have the exact same game.

Embiid will 'never be' a point forward, or have point forward aspirations.

I think we have enough sample data to come to that conclusion.

[Dame]

I’m starting to believe now that he’s doing all of this on purpose, either that or someone from the Pelicans management are leaking this to cover their ass.


It’s now being reported that he’s now skipping rehab and falling asleep on film sessions lol.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NOLAJake/...%3Ft%3D2146407

He has his faults but Pelicans has done a poor job building around him. They simply don’t have the right structure to handle a player of Zion’s magnitude tbh.


What a roller coaster ride.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Dame

I’m starting to believe now that he’s doing all of this on purpose, either that or someone from the Pelicans management are leaking this to cover their ass.


It’s now being reported that he’s now skipping rehab and falling asleep on film sessions lol.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NOLAJake/...%3Ft%3D2146407

He has his faults but Pelicans has done a poor job building around him. They simply don’t have the right structure to handle a player of Zion’s magnitude tbh.


What a roller coaster ride.

Since day 1, the story has been that Zion’s camp controls everything about Zion. And nothing about the way the injury has played out suggests otherwise.

Even if he’s intentionally tanking his value, he can’t fake radiographic findings. For me, that’s all that matters right now.

[EBCollectibles]

Originally Posted by Dame

I’m starting to believe now that he’s doing all of this on purpose, either that or someone from the Pelicans management are leaking this to cover their ass.


It’s now being reported that he’s now skipping rehab and falling asleep on film sessions lol.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NOLAJake/...%3Ft%3D2146407

He has his faults but Pelicans has done a poor job building around him. They simply don’t have the right structure to handle a player of Zion’s magnitude tbh.


What a roller coaster ride.

So it's the franchise fault? the new generation always wants someone else to blame.

[Mahomie]

why is he skipping rehab?

[ninjacookies]

Seems like a reporter groupbreak of folklore, fact, and outright lies.

There's definitely some truth sprinkled in, but I'm taking these 'anon' and 'my sources tell me' articles with a grain of salt, unless based Woj issues the green light. Just like the dude that claimed 'multiple league execs said he's close to 330 pounds,' when in actuality the shop cameos both pre and post injury show he's pretty yoked.

Z's like the only source of remaining click revenue for NO beatwriters. Like the Great Depression for their inkjet cartridges. Brutal.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

So it's the franchise fault?.

I never said he’s blameless. But the Pels did hire David Griffin.

So, yes.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Since day 1, the story has been that Zion’s camp controls everything about Zion. And nothing about the way the injury has played out suggests otherwise.

Even if he’s intentionally tanking his value, he can’t fake radiographic findings. For me, that’s all that matters right now.

I’m just surprised that they are no longer putting a lid on it. Griff is probably on his way out, so I won’t be surprised if this leak is coming from him. Just a theory of course.

Its about to get really ugly if all of this is true.

[RAV2773]

Originally Posted by flinchfree

I don't think Zion will ever be anywhere near the player Embiid is, and I really like Zion.
Embiid dominates in the paint, has great post moves, has a silky 3 point shot, soft accurate free throw shooter, quick as #@#@#@#@ up and down the court so can be a transition option, and is a monster defensive player.
Were Embiid to have been a fully healthy and mature minded player he had the ability to be the best ever big man.

Zion has some nice attributes but is average to poor defensively, isn't tall enough to deter real centers, is very one sided, will never be a great 3 point shooter or as good a passer in the post because he can't outlet it over the top of the double team.

Zion's ceiling is Charles Barkley, and that's pretty damned good and worthy of collecting, but he aint gonna be top 10 all time or anything.
His cards should reflect that.

Well thats all I needed to hear. I'm done with Zion for good now....Since he'll never be top 10 all time or anything for that matter. He's a dam one sided, short, bad passing, bad defense having, non 3 point shooting 21 yr old who could only muster up a measly 27 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assists per game on 61% FG% last year. Maybe he can become an analyst or something because playing basketball just isn't for him. Sorry Ninja but this is the rude awakening that we've all needed

[Spacemanspif]

All this stuff about Zion's lack of motivation, selfish behavior, etc, just doesn't click with what we saw from him earlier this year. I just re-watched the interview with JJ Redick, and the kid in that video is humble and hard-working and at least says he has a desire to be better. Couple thoughts after watching:

• He looks fat in the baggy sweater in the video, even when we know it was during Prime Z phase
• He's on social and reads this stuff. I feel really bad for the kid seeing so much negative crap about himself
• JJ mentioned that at the time, there was a stat that showed Steph Curry had the most negative mentions in the league on social. "Fans", especially the anonymous online ones are fickle. and petty. and idiots.
• JJ brings up the body type / weight stuff, and his answer is a little uninspiring. He says he needs to find that balance between being lean and not being strong enough, but he doesn't seem that concerned about being a little overweight. Again, he's young and I think he and Luka will figure it out.
• They talk about his rehab and his frustrations, it seems like he just wants to be around the team and playing ball, seems like his attitude towards rehab is like how a kid feels about homework.
  
• The leaks about his weight don't jive with the pictures we just saw (out of the sweats)
• This quote about the work ethic and professionalism doesn't jive with what we saw last year
• David Griffin is a bag of trash, and I agree that he is prime suspect in all the negative leaks (would love to see the teardown piece like we got after Olshey was fired)

https://youtu.be/lParZvcmkkM

[Skunkbush]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

All this stuff about Zion's lack of motivation, selfish behavior, etc, just doesn't click with what we saw from him earlier this year. I just re-watched the interview with JJ Redick, and the kid in that video is humble and hard-working and at least says he has a desire to be better. Couple thoughts after watching:

• He looks fat in the baggy sweater in the video, even when we know it was during Prime Z phase
• He's on social and reads this stuff. I feel really bad for the kid seeing so much negative crap about himself
• JJ mentioned that at the time, there was a stat that showed Steph Curry had the most negative mentions in the league on social. "Fans", especially the anonymous online ones are fickle. and petty. and idiots.
• JJ brings up the body type / weight stuff, and his answer is a little uninspiring. He says he needs to find that balance between being lean and not being strong enough, but he doesn't seem that concerned about being a little overweight. Again, he's young and I think he and Luka will figure it out.
• They talk about his rehab and his frustrations, it seems like he just wants to be around the team and playing ball, seems like his attitude towards rehab is like how a kid feels about homework.
  
• The leaks about his weight don't jive with the pictures we just saw (out of the sweats)
• This quote about the work ethic and professionalism doesn't jive with what we saw last year
• David Griffin is a bag of trash, and I agree that he is prime suspect in all the negative leaks (would love to see the teardown piece like we got after Olshey was fired)

https://youtu.be/lParZvcmkkM

Great post.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by Dame

I’m starting to believe now that he’s doing all of this on purpose, either that or someone from the Pelicans management are leaking this to cover their ass.


It’s now being reported that he’s now skipping rehab and falling asleep on film sessions lol.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NOLAJake/...%3Ft%3D2146407

He has his faults but Pelicans has done a poor job building around him. They simply don’t have the right structure to handle a player of Zion’s magnitude tbh.


What a roller coaster ride.

[nman84]

It’s okay Z, I get sleepy after I eat a lot too.

[rustywest]

Point Forward Zion

https://fb.watch/9SJNVleVFn/

[Brobocop]

This is by far the best thread on the site right now. Thank you for the entertainment.

My take on Zion is simple, if he's that disgruntled with New Orleans, play your best and demand a trade or just leave after your contract is up so that they get nothing in return for you walking. If it's truly an injury that is nagging, that sucks since he has a lot promise and seemed to be a big man who could do it all. Either way, invest at your own risk. Zion is like a crypto currency right now, it could go to the moon or it could be a rug pull. It's going to be a bumpy ride either way so hope people who have significant amount of money in his cards are ready for a ride. Best advice is to not look at current prices and pretend like the money is gone. When I was down 20-30% on every stock I owned last year, I just removed Fidelity from my phone and unbookmarked it so I wouldn't be tempted to look.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

This is by far the best thread on the site right now. Thank you for the entertainment.

My take on Zion is simple, if he's that disgruntled with New Orleans, play your best and demand a trade or just leave after your contract is up so that they get nothing in return for you walking. If it's truly an injury that is nagging, that sucks since he has a lot promise and seemed to be a big man who could do it all. Either way, invest at your own risk. Zion is like a crypto currency right now, it could go to the moon or it could be a rug pull. It's going to be a bumpy ride either way so hope people who have significant amount of money in his cards are ready for a ride. Best advice is to not look at current prices and pretend like the money is gone. When I was down 20-30% on every stock I owned last year, I just removed Fidelity from my phone and unbookmarked it so I wouldn't be tempted to look.

Sorry but this is terrible advice in general. Opportunity cost is a thing

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Sorry but this is terrible advice in general. Opportunity cost is a thing

Prices aren’t gonna recover any time soon so either sell now and move on or wait and see what happens down the line.


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[TSonn]

It's funny, going into the 2019 draft I thought Zion was overhyped and stayed away unless I pulled him myself (back when packs were easily found and purchased). After his hype kinda stalled (thinking 2020-21 season), he proved to me that he was not overhyped and actually had more potential than originally thought coming out of college since he was showing us he could be a part-time point forward similar to Giannis. I was able to pick up some fun stuff for pretty cheap (holos, mojos, rev #d) after his initial hype train stalled. I don't mind holding onto this stuff since I'm still up on Zions overall after selling some Prizm base and non-numbered parallels at the end of 2020.

The only card I feel like I FOMO'd and overspent on was a non-dinged corner Revolution auto. But even now it's hard to find a non dinged corner version so I have no idea if that card is up or down.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Prices aren’t gonna recover any time soon so either sell now and move on or wait and see what happens down the line.


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If people want to say cards are investments they should be treating them as such.

If your attitude is "assume it's worth $0 and forget about it" then it's not an investment.

In what other asset would someone be holding everything just cause if the outlook for the next 9-12 months was negative and trending lower?

Cards aren't stocks. You can't just forget about them and assume they will go back up in the future.

[thenightman]

Originally Posted by Dame

I’m starting to believe now that he’s doing all of this on purpose, either that or someone from the Pelicans management are leaking this to cover their ass.


It’s now being reported that he’s now skipping rehab and falling asleep on film sessions lol.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NOLAJake/...%3Ft%3D2146407

He has his faults but Pelicans has done a poor job building around him. They simply don’t have the right structure to handle a player of Zion’s magnitude tbh.


What a roller coaster ride.

Anyone who believes one side's reporting or quotes on a particular issue is a f'n mark. Don't be a fool.

[brock]

I'm starting to think all these leaks are coming from Zion's agent. He is setting the stage for a graceful and fan-backed escaped from NO.

"Well, I wanted to stay, but they paired me with Ingram and then leaked embarrassing stuff about me when I was legitimately injured. I lost faith in the franchise because of how poorly the treated me. Off to LA."


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[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

If people want to say cards are investments they should be treating them as such.

If your attitude is "assume it's worth $0 and forget about it" then it's not an investment.

In what other asset would someone be holding everything just cause if the outlook for the next 9-12 months was negative and trending lower?

Cards aren't stocks. You can't just forget about them and assume they will go back up in the future.

Then sell your cards. I don't know why people are shocked that their "investment" is down when the player isn't playing. This is exactly why I'd be incredibly hesitant to put serious money into a rookie. Just way too many hypotheticals. I get that there is a higher ceiling than say buying a Jordan or a LeBron, but the floor is basically zero when compared to an established star.

So my point still is, if you are done and over with this and want to get out, get out. If you want to see where prices go once/if he comes back and begins to ball, then why stress yourself out with checking prices over and over again?

[packman80]

Big question is if next season Zion is still struggling with injuries do you sell him for what you can get or do you allow him to go into RFA and match whatever he's offered?