2019-20 Panini Chronicles Basketball- Pre-release Thread

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by mcwildcats

LOL I'm pretty sure I was still miles away from a true checkout. And this was the first Wally notice I've received in many months of any kind. Kind of gave up on their site.

The Illusions fat pack box restock email I saw in maybe 30 seconds after I got the email. Still couldn't even access the page.

[mcwildcats]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

The Illusions fat pack box restock email I saw in maybe 30 seconds after I got the email. Still couldn't even access the page.

Yeah, when I clicked on the link in the Wally e-mail for Chronicles, I got the forbidden message. So I just manually went to the basketball card page and saw the Bowman BB box with the description. And then just tried to add to cart that way and check out but way too late.

[Howie7107]

Originally Posted by sumofallvices

Did yours sell? If not, any bites?

I think it's too early to sell the bronze (or any color) phoenix, flux, crusade, HH cards yet.

A few bites but nothing near what I would take for it right now and world’s apart from what I think is an appropriate value for the card. I’ll be waiting till next season on that one.

[greg8731]

Originally Posted by Howie7107

A few bites but nothing near what I would take for it right now and world’s apart from what I think is an appropriate value for the card. I’ll be waiting till next season on that one.

I think it's a great card. The Flux color all look great imo. But with that you're not only taking a chance on the set itself but also Zion, who some just don't want to take a chance on.. especially a few thousand. So prob hard to find both a higher end Zion collector but who also would buy Flux.

All that said..Zion has a few nice games to start the season your card goes for at least your asking price and likely more. I've been watching the gold /10
but buying a raw card for 1500 just screams bad idea.

[bob1981]

Is 12.00 dollars for fat packs a good buy.

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by bob1981

Is 12.00 dollars for fat packs a good buy.

Yes, definitely a good buy at that price. Grab em while you can! I don’t see them ever getting any cheaper than that, unless you have a local cash deal for a very large lot.

[mnvikingstwins]

Originally Posted by h00perstar34

Just an FYI,

The guy that just discounted the Zion bronze flux if you were watching from 500 to 300 be careful, I asked him about the back bottom right corner saying it looked like it was an issue he claims it’s mint, showed him the pic in question then he claims it’s still mint and tells me not to buy the card. I’m not regardless but do you guys think this is mint?




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Mint = 9, that looks like a 9 still

[jamz33]

Originally Posted by greg8731

I think it's a great card. The Flux color all look great imo. But with that you're not only taking a chance on the set itself but also Zion, who some just don't want to take a chance on.. especially a few thousand. So prob hard to find both a higher end Zion collector but who also would buy Flux.



All that said..Zion has a few nice games to start the season your card goes for at least your asking price and likely more. I've been watching the gold /10

but buying a raw card for 1500 just screams bad idea.

Zion is such high risk high reward right now. He could be the next Blake Griffin or even worse the next Greg Oden.

Or....

He could be the next Lebron


It's so hard to tell right now. From what I've been reading it looks like he'll have a similar career to Blake Griffin if he's lucky. He's bound to have an injury riddled career. And where are Blake Griffin cards as far as value right now.

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[LukaMagic]

Originally Posted by jamz33

Zion is such high risk high reward right now. He could be the next Blake Griffin or even worse the next Greg Oden.

Or....

He could be the next Lebron


It's so hard to tell right now. From what I've been reading it looks like he'll have a similar career to Blake Griffin if he's lucky. He's bound to have an injury riddled career. And where are Blake Griffin cards as far as value right now.

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As far as you've "been reading?" Lol. Dude averaged 23 points and 6.2 rebounds per game on 58% shooting in only 27 minutes per game in a freak-shortened season, what more can you ask from a rookie? Only thing holding him back is potential injuries but any player is an injury risk. If I recall correctly, he also nailed like 4 clutch threes in a row to win his NBA debut. If you've seen him play you will know he has all time great potential. Not worried about him at all besides the injury risk, he was the most hyped player since Lebron for a reason

[jamz33]

Originally Posted by LukaMagic

As far as you've "been reading?" Lol. Dude averaged 23 points and 6.2 rebounds per game on 58% shooting in only 27 minutes per game in a freak-shortened season, what more can you ask from a rookie? Only thing holding him back is potential injuries but any player is an injury risk. If I recall correctly, he also nailed like 4 clutch threes in a row to win his NBA debut. If you've seen him play you will know he has all time great potential. Not worried about him at all besides the injury risk, he was the most hyped player since Lebron for a reason

It's the injury risk I'm talking about. If he gets injured again next season, which is highly likely, then his career is in jeopardy. He's not a skilled player and relies almost entirely on athleticism. Which is how Blake Griffin used to be but kept getting injured and never really met his potential.
If Zion falls on the same trajectory people are really going to regret paying the high prices right now if they're looking for long term investment.



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[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by jamz33

It's the injury risk I'm talking about. If he gets injured again next season, which is highly likely, then his career is in jeopardy. He's not a skilled player and relies almost entirely on athleticism. Which is how Blake Griffin used to be but kept getting injured and never really met his potential.
If Zion falls on the same trajectory people are really going to regret paying the high prices right now if they're looking for long term investment.



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Your takes are awful and simplistic. Also love to know what causes someone to be "highly likely" to get injured. But probably not from you, as most of this is just made up gibberish.

[jamz33]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Your takes are awful and simplistic. Also love to know what causes someone to be "highly likely" to get injured. But probably not from you, as most of this is just made up gibberish.

How's this for simplistic made up gibberish about how someone is likely to get injured?

https://youtu.be/HGRnMIRCtDU

https://youtu.be/HC3i2YNJHic


Take note in the videos where the sports injury doctor gives his simplistic analysis comparing Zion to Greg Oden and Brandon Roy.




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[FuzzySparkles]

That escalated quickly to silence.

I'd say you have to give this battle to jamz33.

...But it is funny how Zion being injured 3 times in two years was not enough evidence of him being injury prone.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by FuzzySparkles

That escalated quickly to silence.

I'd say you have to give this battle to jamz33.

...But it is funny how Zion being injured 3 times in two years was not enough evidence of him being injury prone.

You right. I should have dropped everything I was doing and watched some crappy youtube videos during the middle of the NBA FINALS. Trolls win, I lose

Originally Posted by jamz33

How's this for simplistic made up gibberish about how someone is likely to get injured?

https://youtu.be/HGRnMIRCtDU

https://youtu.be/HC3i2YNJHic


Take note in the videos where the sports injury doctor gives his simplistic analysis comparing Zion to Greg Oden and Brandon Roy.


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I watched a tiny bit and lost interest. Just look at the video list of that channel and you get the SCI version of "sports medicine". If the "doctor explains" titles to his own videos doesn't scream clickbait, how about the fact that he publishes a "I'm worried about Zion" video on the same day the injury was announced by the team, and followed it up with a "oh no I was right" video soon after? I don't feel like scrolling through Twitter to see what Woj and Shams were saying at the time, but definitely falls under highly dubious / utter BS timing for me

Look, nobody disagrees that Z needs to lose weight. But claiming he's a bust after a minor knee injury is ridiculous. This has been addressed ad nauseum in the Zion thread, so please don't clutter up this page with this stuff anymore. I also won't be replying to any more of this nonsense because I have better things to do with my time than have online arguments that go nowhere. Have fun collecting RJ Barrett, I hope he stays healthy so you can umm... reap the rewards

[ninjacookies]

Lul. You know it's real when the ANTIFAt bois are up in a chronicles megathread performing their Zion weight watchers crystal ball sermons.


Like the originality of those retrospective bulletpoints are somehow refreshing and groundbreaking.


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[jamz33]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

You right. I should have dropped everything I was doing and watched some crappy youtube videos during the middle of the NBA FINALS. Trolls win, I lose









I watched a tiny bit and lost interest. Just look at the video list of that channel and you get the SCI version of "sports medicine". If the "doctor explains" titles to his own videos doesn't scream clickbait, how about the fact that he publishes a "I'm worried about Zion" video on the same day the injury was announced by the team, and followed it up with a "oh no I was right" video soon after? I don't feel like scrolling through Twitter to see what Woj and Shams were saying at the time, but definitely falls under highly dubious / utter BS timing for me



Look, nobody disagrees that Z needs to lose weight. But claiming he's a bust after a minor knee injury is ridiculous. This has been addressed ad nauseum in the Zion thread, so please don't clutter up this page with this stuff anymore. I also won't be replying to any more of this nonsense because I have better things to do with my time than have online arguments that go nowhere. Have fun collecting RJ Barrett, I hope he stays healthy so you can umm... reap the rewards

No one claimed he was a bust... Just a high injury risk. Like I said in my earlier post... He's either going to be the next Lebron or a Blake, or worst case an Oden. And because of that, as an investment he's high risk, high reward.

But since whatever I say is gibberish, here's another opinion that basically says the same thing.

https://www.sportscardinvestor.com/2...amson-edition/

"While I hope that he goes on to be the player we all hope he can become, I want you to move forward with the knowledge that it is possible for his card market to fall exponentially if he were to suffer an injury that affects his ability to perform at the high level of athleticism we have become accustomed to."


I love Zion, I picked him in my fantasy basketball draft last year and am keeping him for next season. I really hope he pans out. But I think it would be too risky to invest heavily in his cards right now with plans to hold for long term value.

Safer bet is to hedge at the start of next season if Zion is healthy and has a run of good games. Sell some lower end Zion cards then to try and recoup as much of the initial cost, and hold the rest hoping for a good long term payoff.


Or.... Just buy Zion cards because you love home as a player and you can afford to blow some $ on him.

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[Retail Fool]

Are Targets still stocking Chronicles? I see in other threads people have found some. There hasn't been a Chronicles sighting at my local WM in about 7 weeks.

[ATeamHasNoName]

Originally Posted by Retail Fool

Are Targets still stocking Chronicles? I see in other threads people have found some. There hasn't been a Chronicles sighting at my local WM in about 7 weeks.

Picked up some fat packs on Monday


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[Retail Fool]

Originally Posted by ATeamHasNoName

Picked up some fat packs on Monday

I think you were one of the posts i saw


Crossing my fingers for a loose pack or two of anything basketball this week.

[LukaMagic]

Originally Posted by Retail Fool

Are Targets still stocking Chronicles? I see in other threads people have found some. There hasn't been a Chronicles sighting at my local WM in about 7 weeks.

I've made it to the vendor 5 times the past two weeks, no basketball in sight. Definitely done in retail for the most part

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by jamz33

Zion is such high risk high reward right now. He could be the next Blake Griffin or even worse the next Greg Oden.

Or....

He could be the next Lebron


It's so hard to tell right now. From what I've been reading it looks like he'll have a similar career to Blake Griffin if he's lucky. He's bound to have an injury riddled career. And where are Blake Griffin cards as far as value right now.

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I would say at his current prices vs ceiling and projected growth Zion is actually low risk immense reward unless you are buying monster cards (they are still commanding monstrous prices).

I would have never thought this would be the case as he had a ludicrous amount of hype out of the gates (Deservedly so) that we haven’t seen the likes of since LBJ, but with the fickle nature of the hobby these days, here we are.

Buying Zion right now is the closest thing to guaranteed returns you can find. As a matter of fact, he’s the only thing I’m buying besides JJJ.


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[FuzzySparkles]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Your takes are awful and simplistic. Also love to know what causes someone to be "highly likely" to get injured. But probably not from you, as most of this is just made up gibberish.

I mean...come on. There is way more evidence that he is injury prone than the opposite. Give me your non-simplistic evidence and data that proves he will not be injury prone? Have you ever seen him play a full season of anything?

[sumofallvices]

Zion's path to the NBA was known since his HS days.

The only 'major' injury he has ever had is the meniscus, which is not a big cause for concern.

The shoe blowing up was a minor knee sprain and the minor bruises he had in HS/AAU were probably more of a don't get hurt before you get your payday.

New Orleans had zero incentive to rush him back this year and let him play 35+ minutes a game. Honestly the amount of 'injuries' he has had are less than most other athletes.

Not a concern of mine right now.

[h00perstar34]

Originally Posted by mnvikingstwins

Mint = 9, that looks like a 9 still

That’s not even a BCCG 9


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[cboog3105]

Next year's Phoenix is gonna be niccceeeeee