2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Other countries provide for free college education and I don't think they tell grads where they can or can't work and what fields they can work in. Why do people think the worst when things are given to people? Like everyone is out to get them.

Because we've seen how our government works. It screws up anything it touches and is all about power and how our "leaders" can line their own pockets. I'd love to believe free college is some altruistic idea but quite frankly I don't and until proven otherwise I never will.

[NeedChapmans]

Do we get to talk about the Biden Cancer Charity scam now like we talked about Trump University? Millions taken in donations and not a penny spent on Cancer research. All payments just for travel, expenses and salaries.

Outrage right?

[techtre2003]

I'm not a big Ben Shapiro fan although I do think he can make some valid points sometimes. Here's his take:


"I want a refund on the hundreds of thousands of dollars I spent on my law school education and my wife's medical school education. Instead, I pay for that and some Antifa member's degree in Anti-Racist Dance Theory. F*** that.
How about this: instead of forgiving everybody's college debt, we force all the colleges who scammed millions of Americans into degrees in Useless Theory Masquerading As Valuable Life Skills to grant refunds. That would end the grift right quick."

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

I'm not a big Ben Shapiro fan although I do think he can make some valid points sometimes. Here's his take:


"I want a refund on the hundreds of thousands of dollars I spent on my law school education and my wife's medical school education. Instead, I pay for that and some Antifa member's degree in Anti-Racist Dance Theory. F*** that.
How about this: instead of forgiving everybody's college debt, we force all the colleges who scammed millions of Americans into degrees in Useless Theory Masquerading As Valuable Life Skills to grant refunds. That would end the grift right quick."

His second part isn’t the worst idea.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

To me that just highlights many things that need to be eliminated or made private.

Yeah, can't wait to call around price shopping when my house is burning down.

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Do we get to talk about the Biden Cancer Charity scam now like we talked about Trump University? Millions taken in donations and not a penny spent on Cancer research. All payments just for travel, expenses and salaries.

Outrage right?

Talk about it all you want. That will go as far as calling out the Clinton Foundation.

[Halbert]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

Breathing air and flushing your toilet is socialism...

[techtre2003]

Originally Posted by free2131

Yeah, can't wait to call around price shopping when my house is burning down.

I didn't single out firefighters. But since you mentioned it. Our community has a fire district that covers the area of three towns. The equipment cost is shared and every firefighter is volunteer only. The new firehouse that was just put up in my town was built with donations. A large chunk of that was from a local business owner who provided the building materials and the structure was mostly put up by the volunteer firefighters who include electricians and plumbers by trade.

[free2131]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Do we get to talk about the Biden Cancer Charity scam now like we talked about Trump University? Millions taken in donations and not a penny spent on Cancer research. All payments just for travel, expenses and salaries.

Outrage right?

These stories are misleading because they give the appearance of malfeasance by falsely framing certain facts, namely the organization’s mission. The Biden Cancer Initiative wasn’t a research grant-giving organization, which is why it didn’t grant funds toward cancer research. This information is readily available on the charity’s website.

Under the “Frequently Asked Questions” section of the organizations website, you can find the query, “Is the Biden Cancer Initiative a grant-giving organization?”

The answer?

“No. The Biden Cancer Initiative will largely not be a grant-giving organization and will accomplish its mission through convening, connecting partners, catalyzing new actions, and providing venues to discuss progress and develop new actions and collaborations.”

“The Biden Cancer Initiative never intended to make research grants because we had a $2.5 million budget which was dedicated to creating collaborations among companies, universities, nonprofits, patient groups, researchers, and the government,” said Greg Simon, former president of the charity.

The mission “was to work with patients from the bottom up to make things change,” Simon said, adding that the organization created collaborations that helped cancer patients with things like accessing care, financial support, and community support. According to its website, the 501(c)3 charity brought together dozens of groups and organizations to leverage resources connecting patients to clinical trials, cancer prevention and early detection, and data sharing, for example.

As The Associated Press reported in 2019, the charity “promoted nearly 60 partnerships with drug companies, health care firms, charities and other organizations that pledged more than $400 million to improve cancer treatment.”

Now, you can argue about the merits of that kind of work, but it isn't like it tried to hide the fact that they didn't give money directly to cancer research.

Susan G. Komen, however, now THERE is a cancer "charity" we can rip apart. One of the worst "charity" organizations that is publicly accepted running today.

[discostu]

Noted progressive and liberal governor, Kim Reynolds is now issuing a proclamation that all Iowans over 2 years old wear a mask in public.

Good luck the liberal haven that is Iowa.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Halbert

Breathing air and flushing your toilet is socialism...

$0.05 cents per breath and $0.07 cents per flush.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

$0.05 cents per breath and $0.07 cents per flush.

Should be the same price with so much BS coming out of people's mouth these day.

[fungi2510]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

His second part isn’t the worst idea.

I totally agree. This coming from an educator.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Boo

Socialism - a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Well, I suppose you're free to go homestead in Alaska or something. But if we wish to live around other people, we have no option but to share with each other in some ways. It's what humans do. You can define your "community" any way you like, but in our government, it's defined as America.

The Preamble to the Constitution of the United States:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The last sentence of the Declaration of Independence:

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our
Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

Slap some disagreeable label on it like "socialism" if it makes you feel better. It's just more buzzword nonsense that really has no place in civilized, coherent, intelligent discussions, but if it makes you feel better, go ahead. Just consider the words our nation was founded upon before you go implying that anything going on is unamerican or communist or whatever the new buzzwords are these days.

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[Zedlaw]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

I didn't single out firefighters. But since you mentioned it. Our community has a fire district that covers the area of three towns. The equipment cost is shared and every firefighter is volunteer only. The new firehouse that was just put up in my town was built with donations. A large chunk of that was from a local business owner who provided the building materials and the structure was mostly put up by the volunteer firefighters who include electricians and plumbers by trade.

The only difference between this and a government project is accountability. Local communities keep each other accountable by default while the government is insulated. Is there really any other difference between me working and handing over a percent of my earnings as opposed to me simply working directly for the community. Governments are bloated slow moving vehicles, but I don't think they have to be. Divide, empower, be transparent, show limberness and have accountability. Capitalism and local community social effects are cheats to these ends, not some holy elixir.

I've been quiet on charter schools, they actually check off a lot of those boxes. The current charter system also bypasses accountability but I struggle not to think they're the way forward.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

$0.05 cents per breath and $0.07 cents per flush.

My parents were way ahead of the curve on both of those growin' up. Light switches were another; touch it and lose a finger.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Well, I suppose you're free to go homestead in Alaska or something. But if we wish to live around other people, we have no option but to share with each other in some ways. It's what humans do. You can define your "community" any way you like, but in our government, it's defined as America.

The Preamble to the Constitution of the United States:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The last sentence of the Declaration of Independence:

And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our
Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

Slap some disagreeable label on it like "socialism" if it makes you feel better. It's just more buzzword nonsense that really has no place in civilized, coherent, intelligent discussions, but if it makes you feel better, go ahead. Just consider the words our nation was founded upon before you go implying that anything going on is unamerican or communist or whatever the new buzzwords are these days.

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You realize your highlighted section is specifically an explanation for the development of the Constitution, not an over-reaching extension for any government program that in some way benefits a section or subsection of society.

The Constitution was established as a document to preserve those. It’s not a governmental mandate to do whatever it feels necessary in the name of “society”.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

I didn't single out firefighters. But since you mentioned it. Our community has a fire district that covers the area of three towns. The equipment cost is shared and every firefighter is volunteer only. The new firehouse that was just put up in my town was built with donations. A large chunk of that was from a local business owner who provided the building materials and the structure was mostly put up by the volunteer firefighters who include electricians and plumbers by trade.

Just like with education, that kind of thing works on a small scale in rural USA. Now try applying it to Chicago.

[carlo16]

Originally Posted by techtre2003

I didn't single out firefighters. But since you mentioned it. Our community has a fire district that covers the area of three towns. The equipment cost is shared and every firefighter is volunteer only. The new firehouse that was just put up in my town was built with donations. A large chunk of that was from a local business owner who provided the building materials and the structure was mostly put up by the volunteer firefighters who include electricians and plumbers by trade.

Is John Book still there beating up city folk?

[Boo]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Just like with education, that kind of thing works on a small scale in rural USA. Now try applying it to Chicago.

Can't put the genie back in the bottle when you've already started to pay firefighters to work.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

You realize your highlighted section is specifically an explanation for the development of the Constitution, not an over-reaching extension for any government program that in some way benefits a section or subsection of society.



The Constitution was established as a document to preserve those. It’s not a governmental mandate to do whatever it feels necessary in the name of “society”.

The statement is meant as the purpose of our government, basically as a way for the Constitution to justify its own existence. Without purpose, government is unnecessary. As such, the statement outlines why we came together in the first place.

Citizens of America can whine and complain about government overreach, but they'll still pay their share or they'll face the consequences. It's the American way.

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[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

The statement is meant as the purpose of our government, basically as a way for the Constitution to justify its own existence. Without purpose, government is unnecessary. As such, the statement outlines why we came together in the first place.

Citizens of America can whine and complain about government overreach, but they'll still pay their share or they'll face the consequences. It's the American way.

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That’s just not correct.

Really not correct.

The Constitution outlines and limits the government. The highlighted text explains the purpose of the Constitution, not the granting of overreaching power to the government. But it does explain your view on government. If that is how you interpret it, of course you feel correct.

However that’s simply not correct.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

That’s just not correct.



Really not correct.



The Constitution outlines and limits the government. The highlighted text explains the purpose of the Constitution, not the granting of overreaching power to the government. But it does explain your view on government. If that is how you interpret it, of course you feel correct.



However that’s simply not correct.

Lol. Backatcha.

Personally, I interpret it to say exactly what it says...including to "provide for the general welfare". That is not a mandate but it is permission, authority granted by the men and women that paid for our nation with their fortunes and blood.

Government is unnecessary except to establish rules about how humans coexist. The rule our government established is that our elected officials can provide for the general welfare on your dime as they see fit.

"That's just not correct" says nothing.

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[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by ballhawkdawk

And that’s one thing I’d be curious about. To the people who struggled to pay them off in full, do we compensate them somehow or do we tell them, “shoulda just never paid and waited for the bailout... sucks for you.”

yeah i dont get this whatsoever, a service was rendered to you and now you think you shouldn't have to pay? That isn't how things work...and people want to blame our economy soley on covid and trump now?

no one made anyone go to college, there are plenty of trade schools or military opportunities out there. in fact im pretty sure the military will pay to have you college educated or atleast a good chunk. But aww is the military comprised of too many not totally progressive meanies and don't provide safe spaces and cry rooms like many of our wonderful universities give if a certain official is elected that they didnt want?

[DegaBama]

Why do people keep saying that Trump not conceding puts our country in danger? In danger of what?