First Buzz: 2019-20 NBA Hoops Premium Stock Hobby Hybrid

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by rollmoose15

Thanks man. Appreciate the thoughts. Clearly stressed about it given how poorly I described the situation From what I can tell it’s in perfect shape. Just hard to be getting such high offers!


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If it looks like it has a good chance to gem, definitely get it graded before you do anything.

[dream34]

Originally Posted by mma138

this is easily my favorite of the chrome like products

Borders & NBA Game Images. Also really liking the fact that you don't have to be a big balling Hobby box guy to get limited parallels on this one. Retail looks loaded and you can get /99 on down to 1/1.

[Steve88]

So out of all the retail parallels, which parallels are the scarcest? Laser, mojo, scope, pulsar, silver, flash, etc?


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[Steve88]

Originally Posted by Steve88

So out of all the retail parallels, which parallels are the scarcest? Laser, mojo, scope, pulsar, silver, flash, etc?


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Forgot all the cracked ice parallels also


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[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by dream34

Borders & NBA Game Images. Also really liking the fact that you don't have to be a big balling Hobby box guy to get limited parallels on this one. Retail looks loaded and you can get /99 on down to 1/1.

Me tree

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Steve88

So out of all the retail parallels, which parallels are the scarcest? Laser, mojo, scope, pulsar, silver, flash, etc?


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out of those laser and mojo are guaranteed in specific formats, as is purple disco, so not really that rare. all pulsars are set exclusive, you can’t pull them from retail. flash only comes from hobby.

of the non numbered my opinion would be the hardest to pull are blue/red wave and scope. not to say the most valuable but they seem to me to be the most rare.


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[Steve88]

Originally Posted by BRob1

out of those laser and mojo are guaranteed in specific formats, as is purple disco, so not really that rare. all pulsars are set exclusive, you can’t pull them from retail. flash only comes from hobby.

of the non numbered my opinion would be the hardest to pull are blue/red wave and scope. not to say the most valuable but they seem to me to be the most rare.


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Where do regular silvers and cracked ice fall in your opinion?


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[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Steve88

Where do regular silvers and cracked ice fall in your opinion?


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silvers are pretty plentiful, you get I think one in every cello and hanger and 2-3 in every blaster. still really nice and the most valuable of the common parallels.

cracked ice i believe are mega exclusive, so you can’t get them anywhere else, but there are 10 guaranteed in every box.


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[gymratcards]

Originally Posted by BRob1

out of those laser and mojo are guaranteed in specific formats, as is purple disco, so not really that rare. all pulsars are set exclusive, you can’t pull them from retail. flash only comes from hobby.

of the non numbered my opinion would be the hardest to pull are blue/red wave and scope. not to say the most valuable but they seem to me to be the most rare.


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I’m building print run estimates from box break data for all of the parallels. Hopeful to have it available within the week.

As a sneak preview ... Lasers are estimating with a print run somewhere around 13,000 each. I estimate them to be the highest print run of the parallels.

[gcollector4]

Can you sneak preview the most rare??

Originally Posted by gymratcards

I’m building print run estimates from box break data for all of the parallels. Hopeful to have it available within the week.

As a sneak preview ... Lasers are estimating with a print run somewhere around 13,000 each. I estimate them to be the highest print run of the parallels.

[Steve88]

Originally Posted by BRob1

silvers are pretty plentiful, you get I think one in every cello and hanger and 2-3 in every blaster. still really nice and the most valuable of the common parallels.

cracked ice i believe are mega exclusive, so you can’t get them anywhere else, but there are 10 guaranteed in every box.


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So in your opinion, silver is the most valuable out of the parallels? I hit a Zion scope, Ja silver. Trying to figure out all the parallels is confusing


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[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Steve88

So in your opinion, silver is the most valuable out of the parallels? I hit a Zion scope, Ja silver. Trying to figure out all the parallels is confusing


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of non numbered i’d say silver and blue prizm would be the most valuable but someone who has done research may correct me.


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[BRob1]

Originally Posted by gymratcards

I’m building print run estimates from box break data for all of the parallels. Hopeful to have it available within the week.

As a sneak preview ... Lasers are estimating with a print run somewhere around 13,000 each. I estimate them to be the highest print run of the parallels.

sweet!


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[ccrab1984]

Originally Posted by glassofwater

Yes I got 2 but I don’t know what format they came out of both were base. I opened 2 cello boxes, 10 blue target mega boxes and 8 hanger boxes

I’ve opened 26 cellos so far and hit one, it was lebron and just base version

[cardsin47]

This probably came up in the past 6,289 posts..... but is this product ever going to see the printing press shut off? Is it getting produced in very high numbers, are just my perception since it’s live and currently on Retail shelves ( for 2.8 seconds ) now?

The cards look great - I love ‘em! But without some level of limited production, they will quickly lose their appeal ( to Me ).

[phil]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

This probably came up in the past 6,289 posts..... but is this product ever going to see the printing press shut off? Is it getting produced in very high numbers, are just my perception since it’s live and currently on Retail shelves ( for 2.8 seconds ) now?

The cards look great - I love ‘em! But without some level of limited production, they will quickly lose their appeal ( to Me ).

ebay Mega listings slipped under 1000 last night. Come on botters gotta get that number up again so they dip more!

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

This probably came up in the past 6,289 posts..... but is this product ever going to see the printing press shut off? Is it getting produced in very high numbers, are just my perception since it’s live and currently on Retail shelves ( for 2.8 seconds ) now?

The cards look great - I love ‘em! But without some level of limited production, they will quickly lose their appeal ( to Me ).

I would agree BUT I don’t think it matters. Demand is still exceeding supply by a wide margin. If your looking to rip for fun than this is probably the best product of the year with Mosaic. If your a sealed wax hoarder, profit doesn’t come much easier than where prices are now. BUT if you’re a singles guy like myself, I’m probably watching from the sidelines. Seems like everyone is pulling tons of Ja/Zion and there are an abundance of parallels that are only confusing the general public more.

[TheKillers11]

Originally Posted by cardsin47

This probably came up in the past 6,289 posts..... but is this product ever going to see the printing press shut off? Is it getting produced in very high numbers, are just my perception since it’s live and currently on Retail shelves ( for 2.8 seconds ) now?

The cards look great - I love ‘em! But without some level of limited production, they will quickly lose their appeal ( to Me ).

You’re correct. Many people in this thread argue that the seemingly high print run is just “recency bias.” But, this product was definitely printed to the moon (without a doubt more than Mosaic - even with the hanger/mega restocks).

However, even as stockX and eBay have been flooded, priced have remained steady. I imagine there will be more restocks, and the botters from the big groups still don’t have their massive hauls in hand. We’ll see if prices hold, or if this was the bottom!

Hoops Premium is a product with a wide appeal though. That helps it a lot.


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[ZionCards]

Love the product. Have a ton of it.

That being said there is no doubt this was the most produced product of the year.

Based on my stores which have gotten a ton of it.

Target - massive blaster hanger and cello drops weekly.
walmart - 3 trays for two weeks in a row plus another case of blasters and hangers.

megas are the only thing that I havent seen an absolute ton of

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by TheKillers11

You’re correct. Many people in this thread argue that the seemingly high print run is just “recency bias.” But, this product was definitely printed to the moon (without a doubt more than Mosaic - even with the hanger/mega restocks).

However, even as stockX and eBay have been flooded, priced have remained steady. I imagine there will be more restocks, and the botters from the big groups still don’t have their massive hauls in hand. We’ll see if prices hold, or if this was the bottom!

Hoops Premium is a product with a wide appeal though. That helps it a lot.


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There needs to be another big flood for StockX prices to go back down. I believe there is still a chance of that happening, because they haven’t even added the 80-ct Walmart megas yet. [EDIT - the WM megas are there now, looks like they were added yesterday, and there’s only been 2 sales so far] However, prices dipped 3 days ago but have increased steadily since then. I put in some lowball offers on both the hanger x6 lot and the blaster x4 lot and here’s what happened:

I bought 6 hangers for $220 on 1/13, which seemed like a good price at the time, but prices continued to drop after that, so I placed another bid of $209. This bid was below all recent sales and current bids, and my $209 bid got hit on 1/15 for 6 more. That was the lowest sale on the 6x hanger lot, and the price has only increased since then. Current highest bid today is $224, which is $15 higher than my winning bid 3 days ago.

I wasn’t as lucky with blasters. I bought a lot of 4 for $223 on 1/13, and then I threw in a lowball bid of $202 after that. I saw prices dropping and thought they might get this low, but the lowest bid that got hit was $205, and that was on 1/15. Prices have steadily increased and the current lowest bid is $222, which is $17 above the floor from 3 days ago.

[bigjbasketball]

Originally Posted by ZionCards

Love the product. Have a ton of it.

That being said there is no doubt this was the most produced product of the year.

Based on my stores which have gotten a ton of it.

Target - massive blaster hanger and cello drops weekly.
walmart - 3 trays for two weeks in a row plus another case of blasters and hangers.

megas are the only thing that I havent seen an absolute ton of

There’s no way there is more Hoops Premium Stock than there was 19-20 Prizm. There were multiple massive reloads of Prizm in every store for several months, and there were more SKUs of Prizm (gravity boxes, retail boxes).

[ZionCards]

Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

There’s no way there is more Hoops Premium Stock than there was 19-20 Prizm. There were multiple massive reloads of Prizm in every store for several months, and there were more SKUs of Prizm (gravity boxes, retail boxes).

So for Prizm (which I also had a ton of) I did not see anywhere near the amount of hangers Im seeing for HP.

My targets for Prizm had 2-3 rounds of Gravity feeds case of blasters and cellos.

I think the amount of hangers Ive seen is the biggest difference. Also my Walmart got FIVE cello boxes last week after 3 trays the week before.

Im not sure I ever saw 5 cello boxes of prizm at one time anywhere

[dunkindutchmen]

Originally Posted by ZionCards

So for Prizm (which I also had a ton of) I did not see anywhere near the amount of hangers Im seeing for HP.

My targets for Prizm had 2-3 rounds of Gravity feeds case of blasters and cellos.

I think the amount of hangers Ive seen is the biggest difference. Also my Walmart got FIVE cello boxes last week after 3 trays the week before.

Im not sure I ever saw 5 cello boxes of prizm at one time anywhere

This may be news to you, but the world doesn't revolve around whatever town or area you live in. Just because your stores got a ton of product, doesn't mean others have. Your sample size is very very very small.

[Zpmarathon]

Do you guys think nba hoops 2021 will be this easy to get?

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Zpmarathon

Do you guys think nba hoops 2021 will be this easy to get?

yes.


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