✹The PERENNIAL Shohei Ohtani Thread✹ - Page 252

SGC300ier · 09-10-2021, 08:46 PM

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rman112 · 09-10-2021, 08:53 PM

Am I the only one that thinks they should just shut him down on the mound for the year?

Trueblue · 09-10-2021, 08:53 PM

Well, didn't have it tonight. The breaking stuff had little life.

Trueblue · 09-10-2021, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Am I the only one that thinks they should just shut him down on the mound for the year?

Yes..

rman112 · 09-10-2021, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

Yes..

Why?

It's well known that continuing through fatigue increases injury risk. What is there to gain for this season outside of individual stats and personal honors? What is there to lose?

What's the risk/reward?

zbaseball21 · 09-10-2021, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Am I the only one that thinks they should just shut him down on the mound for the year?

I'd let him pitch next weekend at home against the A's and let that be his last start. He pitches great at home, and the A's aren't some force offensively. it will give him a chance at getting his 10th win.

rman112 · 09-10-2021, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by zbaseball21

I'd let him pitch next weekend at home against the A's and let that be his last start. He pitches great at home, and the A's aren't some force offensively. it will give him a chance at getting his 10th win.

That's what I mean. It's just individual accolades that he has to fight through fatigue to get to. How is it worth the risk?

Trueblue · 09-10-2021, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Why?

It's well known that continuing through fatigue increases injury risk. What is there to gain for this season outside of individual stats and personal honors? What is there to lose?

What's the risk/reward?

If you shutdown every healthy player because you were out of contention and they were tired, that's not baseball.

Ohtani is also not finished product as a pitcher. You can limit him to 80 an outing if you want to limit stress pitches, but try explaining to him that he's done for the year when his arm is still strong, throwing 99 with a clean delivery.

zbaseball21 · 09-10-2021, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

That's what I mean. It's just individual accolades that he has to fight through fatigue to get to. How is it worth the risk?

I'd be fine with him sitting but if he asks for one more start I'd give it to him. I think he wants that 10th win.

rman112 · 09-10-2021, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

If you shutdown every healthy player because you were out of contention and they were tired, that's not baseball.

Ohtani is also not finished product as a pitcher. You can limit him to 80 an outing if you want to limit stress pitches, but try explaining to him that he's done for the year when his arm is still strong, throwing 99 with a clean delivery.

Do you think he is dealing with fatigue issues?

rman112 · 09-10-2021, 09:11 PM

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I'd be fine with him sitting but if he asks for one more start I'd give it to him. I think he wants that 10th win.

No doubt. The problem is that pitchers will never tell you when they're tired, or when something's a little off. Ohtani is no different. He's a gamer.

But that also presents problems, and especially when someone is already gassed. He'd play every night if they let him. But they need the organization to step in and pull the reigns back a bit - for his own good, and for the team's.

Trueblue · 09-10-2021, 09:12 PM

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Do you think he is dealing with fatigue issues?

Fatigue is not permanent. He just had 3-4 days of rest. It's workload management that needs to occur, not a complete shutdown. When you're fatigued, the first thing to go is form. His form is fine.

rman112 · 09-10-2021, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

Fatigue is not permanent. He just had 3-4 days of rest. It's workload management that needs to occur, not a complete shutdown. When you're fatigued, the first thing to go is form. His form is fine.

Right, but it is cumulative - which is what we've seen a lot of in the second half, and especially more recently.

Trueblue · 09-10-2021, 09:16 PM

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Right, but it is cumulative - which is what we've seen a lot of in the second half, and especially more recently.

I think we both agree he needs to do less than what he was doing the first month of the season. All I'm saying is that there is a better way to do that than just shutting him down. It would probably piss off Ohtani too.

rman112 · 09-10-2021, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

I think we both agree he needs to do less than what he was doing the first month of the season. All I'm saying is that there is a better way to do that than just shutting him down. It would probably piss off Ohtani too.

It's not like you can just take a day or two off and come back refreshed, though. Especially since he's also hitting.

Trueblue · 09-10-2021, 09:27 PM

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It's not like you can just take a day or two off and come back refreshed, though. Especially since he's also hitting.

There are plenty of ways to lighten workload without shutting down

dodgerfanjohn · 09-10-2021, 09:33 PM

So where do we think he finishes?

47HR, 100 RBI, 100 runs, .970 ops, 10-2, 3.25 era, 140 k’s?

rman112 · 09-10-2021, 09:44 PM

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There are plenty of ways to lighten workload without shutting down

Didn't they give him a day earlier in the week?

There's only 3 weeks left..

brios8 · 09-10-2021, 09:54 PM

So this is how an MVP Lock looks like?

He has a better chance of being (lock) if they shut him down for the season.. otherwise the avgs will keep falling down with a HR here and there.

Hasnt really played well the past 2 months..

I liked the post of MIP- MOST INTERTESTING PLAYER..

Trueblue · 09-10-2021, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Didn't they give him a day earlier in the week?

There's only 3 weeks left..

Come on. If you know pitchers so well, you can't expect a guy that has been fighting to be full-season healthy for the last three years to be okay with just sitting on the bench the last three weeks when he's healthy.

Trueblue · 09-10-2021, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by brios8

So this is how an MVP Lock looks like?

He has a better chance of being (lock) if they shut him down for the season.. otherwise the avgs will keep falling down with a HR here and there.

Hasnt really played well the past 2 months..

I liked the post of MIP- MOST INTERTESTING PLAYER..

Were you one of the guys cheering when they sat DJ Lemahieu to win the batting title?

rman112 · 09-10-2021, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

Come on. If you know pitchers so well, you can't expect a guy that has been fighting to be full-season healthy for the last three years to be okay with just sitting on the bench the last three weeks when he's healthy.

I never said it was supposed to please him.

If their philosophy isn't franchise-first, it would explain a lot.

brios8 · 09-10-2021, 10:00 PM

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Were you one of the guys cheering when they sat DJ Lemahieu to win the batting title?

nop.. im just saying Ohtani has a better chance to be a LOCK if he doesnt play the last 20 games.. but by the looks of it even if his ERA falls to 4.00 and batting avg .240 he is still the MVP since the all Star break

Trueblue · 09-10-2021, 10:00 PM

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I never said it was supposed to please him.

If their philosophy isn't franchise-first, it would explain a lot.

If your only objective is to be right, this isn't a productive conversation. I'm out.

rman112 · 09-10-2021, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Trueblue

If your only objective is to be right, this isn't a productive conversation. I'm out.

You're framing a potential shutdown as something that's against Ohtani's own best interests. That's where we disagree.

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