Jordan Star rookie question

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by Diana1984

Im casually into sports. I personally think there are too many people in the photo. But, the way Jordan looks in the photo is fine. He looks very intense!

That's just the thing. I'm not really able to tell how he looks!

[Brent72]

Originally Posted by mrclean08

It would've looked like this. And I agree with you. It definitely would have looked epic.



But if it were up to me, I would have made the 101 look like this.

Both of those are awesome!

[GOATcards]

edit: duplicate, sorry

[GOATcards]

Originally Posted by mrclean08

It would've looked like this. And I agree with you. It definitely would have looked epic.



But if it were up to me, I would have made the 101 look like this.

Turn these into blockchained digital tokens and they'll take off!

(make sure the centering is 50/50 and the jersey and border color match exactly)

[GOATcards]

Now let's see a "Star 101" with the #57 photo on it (but make sure the jersey color matches the border lol).

[mrclean08]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

Turn these into blockchained digital tokens and they'll take off!

(make sure the centering is 50/50 and the jersey and border color match exactly)

Haha true! I should've picked a BGS 9 with better centering. Dang if only these were how the 101 looked.

For me, the original photo on the 101 is such an eye sore for me. Several of the other Star Jordans have questionable boring photography too. (Gatorade card has a non dunking photo, etc.)

That being said, what do you guys think the 101 BGS 8.5 from PWCC will end at?

[Bulls90s]

Hmmmm, average grade for 101 is 8.5

[duron]

Originally Posted by mrclean08

But if it were up to me, I would have made the 101 look like this.

This looks incredible.

[Brent72]

Originally Posted by mrclean08

Haha true! I should've picked a BGS 9 with better centering. Dang if only these were how the 101 looked.

For me, the original photo on the 101 is such an eye sore for me. Several of the other Star Jordans have questionable boring photography too. (Gatorade card has a non dunking photo, etc.)

That being said, what do you guys think the 101 BGS 8.5 from PWCC will end at?

A complete guess, but I'm going to say $94k. Then again, with the recent sale of that 9 at $192k it could very well go way past $100k.

[EJKaufman]

Originally Posted by mrclean08

Haha true! I should've picked a BGS 9 with better centering. Dang if only these were how the 101 looked.

For me, the original photo on the 101 is such an eye sore for me. Several of the other Star Jordans have questionable boring photography too. (Gatorade card has a non dunking photo, etc.)

That being said, what do you guys think the 101 BGS 8.5 from PWCC will end at?

Very possible $100k plus

[GOATcards]

Googling for the original photo used for #57 and not partly washed-out color-wise like on the card, and saw this one. Arguably a better photo than the other two 'shopped into the '85 Star design, so can we see it 'shopped?

[GOATcards]

This is all I can find with google image searching so far. I guess an intact original isn't easily found by google searching because of how crooks would use the image for making #57 fakes?

[interestingcool]

Now THAT 101 I would be into...

[GOATcards]

The 'Court Kings' dunk from a better angle

[mrclean08]

Originally Posted by GOATcards

Googling for the original photo used for #57 and not partly washed-out color-wise like on the card, and saw this one. Arguably a better photo than the other two 'shopped into the '85 Star design, so can we see it 'shopped?

As you wish! This one's for you bro!

[Brent72]

Damn, I want a set of your Star cards!

[GOATcards]

So, what does the Court Kings card look like with the better angle?

[Erikthredd]

Those 101 remakes are pretty cool! Here are a bunch of Jordan’s from a Star HSN set that has other examples that could have gone into the 101 card.
https://www.worthpoint.com/inventory...ordan+star+hsn

[EJKaufman]

A HORRENDOUS BGS 8 Star #101 is live at Goldin Auctions tonight and it's already up to $43,200 with 20% premium included. The sub grades are very low and the card has very poor eye appeal and, yet, it will set the all time high record sale of a BGS 8 easy. Star Jordan is en fuego!

I would link it here but the Goldin website is down as usual lol.

UPDATE: Goldin's website is back up here is the link to the card:

https://goldinauctions.com/LotDetail...entoryid=82698

[oldschoolball]

Originally Posted by oldschoolball

PWCC …. whether you love them or not, when it comes to cardboard, they are THE most prolific presence on eBay. There is zero debate about that (sorry Rick). If anything, they have always been an excellent barometer of “supply” in the marketplace. To their hardcore following, PWCC is “the” marketplace (the DJIA, if you will).

In looking through their latest mega auction, I thought this was a VERY telling stat that reflects the true rarity of Jordan’s 1984 Star XRC 101 that should not go unnoticed to those collectors, investors, speculators, dreamers, haters, etc… or anyone interested in MJ’s 1984 Star and/or 1986 Fleer.


Current PWCC March 2021 Auction

Number of 1986 Fleer #57 RC listed by PWCC ........ 30 available

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...57%22&_sacat=0

Number of 1984 Star #101 XRC listed by PWCC ........ 1 available

https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odk...01%22&_sacat=0


Now you can question PWCC’s prices realized or allegations of what stuff did or did not sell for, fair enough. But again, I am only talking about “supply” which even PWCC, Brent or their consignors/bidders/shillers/renegers/flippers can not control.

30 : 1

Continuing an analysis of the "supply" side of the market for Jordan 84 Star vs. 86 Fleer, we look at the availability of the two cards at another industry market maker, Goldin Auctions and their latest offerings:

The ratio for 1986 Fleer #57 RC available vs. 1984 Star XRC #101 available at Goldin this month is not as wide as with PWCC. But at 21:1, that is still a significantly wide spread.

Goldin’s site won't let you copy links so I screenshotted the offerings of each side-by-side which actually gives the supply discrepancy a striking visual that words just can not.

The point of all this is to underscore the data in the PSA/BGS/SGC Pop reports of the two cards which many have already figured out - but many more still have not - that the 101 is damn rare (34,460 total pop vs. 900 total pop). More importantly, it provides a telling trend that moving forward, at any given point in time, in an auction setting, one should be able to buy an 86 Fleer across all grades, pretty much anytime, depending on what coin one wishes to spend. Offerings of 84 Star however will be slim pickings, and perhaps at times availability will be zero (of course less those million dollar listings from the Buy-it-Now sucker fishers or collector curators using eBay as their museum).

At only 900 "total" examples across ALL grades, and as the true rookie card of the greatest sports figure in our lifetimes, the 1984 Star Jordan XRC remains the best cardboard investment. Eugene Fama’s efficient-market hypothesis has not been reached on the Star 101, far from it.

https://ibb.co/DY4WgS0

[Brent72]

Agree with you 100%, oldschoolball.

[GOATcards]

So what's the ratio of people who like the 86F photo vs. the 84S photo, if we're gonna get all scientific about it? (In my own individual anecdotal case it's 1:0.)

You folks haven't even seen me stoned on weed yet. Should be verbal gangbusters when that moment arrives.

[GOATcards]

Consider the case of the 2002 LeBron cards. His very first PLC (Professionally Licensed Card), and the UD Inspirations or whatever it's called is serially #d IIRC. Yet people flock to the 03 TCR, I wonder why? We gonna try to outsmart the market when it comes to the combination of collectability criteria including the ultimate criterion, eye appeal?

Why, again, does the 52T Mantle maintain its market presence vis a vis the 51B?

edit: no '02 Bron issues are auto'd. Limited serially #ing of the UD doesn't change that fact. The '03 Finest blows away the '02 in eye appeal, and the Gold Refractor variation of the '03F might well be the king of eye appeal, the 03UD UC or Topps Pristine Mini notwithstanding.

[EJKaufman]

Originally Posted by oldschoolball

Continuing an analysis of the "supply" side of the market for Jordan 84 Star vs. 86 Fleer, we look at the availability of the two cards at another industry market maker, Goldin Auctions and their latest offerings:

The ratio for 1986 Fleer #57 RC available vs. 1984 Star XRC #101 available at Goldin this month is not as wide as with PWCC. But at 21:1, that is still a significantly wide spread.

Goldin’s site won't let you copy links so I screenshotted the offerings of each side-by-side which actually gives the supply discrepancy a striking visual that words just can not.

The point of all this is to underscore the data in the PSA/BGS/SGC Pop reports of the two cards which many have already figured out - but many more still have not - that the 101 is damn rare (34,460 total pop vs. 900 total pop). More importantly, it provides a telling trend that moving forward, at any given point in time, in an auction setting, one should be able to buy an 86 Fleer across all grades, pretty much anytime, depending on what coin one wishes to spend. Offerings of 84 Star however will be slim pickings, and perhaps at times availability will be zero (of course less those million dollar listings from the Buy-it-Now sucker fishers or collector curators using eBay as their museum).

At only 900 "total" examples across ALL grades, and as the true rookie card of the greatest sports figure in our lifetimes, the 1984 Star Jordan XRC remains the best cardboard investment. Eugene Fama’s efficient-market hypothesis has not been reached on the Star 101, far from it.

Phenomenal analysis! I agree with you!

[oldschoolball]

Originally Posted by Brent72

Agree with you 100%, oldschoolball.

Thanks Brent and EJKaufman, just using raw data to present my points and take a different approach on the two cards than from most threads. In the sports card market, economic equilibrium is impossible to gauge but one of it’s two components can be analyzed.

The “Demand” component for the two cards can not be measured and is subjective. But “Supply” can be measured and is THE one constant that no one entity can control.