2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

You know what would fix most of this controversy. Showing up at the polls with an ID in hand. I know that's crazy talk. Sorry I'll see my way out.

Do dead people still have valid IDs though?

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

You know what would fix most of this controversy. Showing up at the polls with an ID in hand. I know that's crazy talk. Sorry I'll see my way out.

Under ordinary circumstances, this makes the most sense.

But with COVID-19 lurking, I totally understand folks taking advantage of the legitimate alternative options.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

You know what would fix most of this controversy. Showing up at the polls with an ID in hand. I know that's crazy talk. Sorry I'll see my way out.

Please refrain from entering this thread with logical thoughts.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

You know what would fix most of this controversy. Showing up at the polls with an ID in hand. I know that's crazy talk. Sorry I'll see my way out.

Would it?

I mean, I've yet to hear of any tangible controversy regarding a lack of showing IDs, other than people clamoring for them.

Enacting laws to solve problems that don't exist always seemed like a counter intuitive approach from the party of "smaller government."

[Boo]

Riots in Baltimore tonight? Police shooting, police in unmarked car, suspect pulls up along side and opens fire. Police shoot back killing suspect.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by discostu

Would it?

I mean, I've yet to hear of any tangible controversy regarding a lack of showing IDs, other than people clamoring for them.

Enacting laws to solve problems that don't exist always seemed like a counter intuitive approach from the party of "smaller government."

This should never have been a question. It's something that should have been enacted decades ago. For me showing an ID when voting is a literal no brainer. There is no reason in the year 2020 that people can't cheaply acquire an ID. I need an ID to buy a beer but I don't need one to vote for the leader of the free world. Absolutely bizarre.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by wood minis

The main thing I would like to see fixed is allowing counters to process mail in ballots as they are arriving in all States. That would resolve this lag we saw this time. I trust that the people doing the counting know what they are doing and are doing the best they can. It is inconceivable to me that there are States that don't have both Democratic and Republican observers overseeing the process.

States can resolve that lag, many chose not to.

Some purposefully lagged to give the illusion of one candidate winning on Election Night (cough*Pennsylvania*cough).

Imagine Biden having a 100,000+ vote lead from the start of Election Day. Georgia wouldn't matter, Nevada wouldn't matter, Arizona wouldn't matter.

But alas, the PA GOP balked at the idea of counting the expected and unprecedented number of mail-in ballots early.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

This should never have been a question. It's something that should have been enacted decades ago. For me showing an ID when voting is a literal no brainer. There is no reason in the year 2020 that people can't cheaply acquire an ID. I need an ID to buy a beer but I don't need one to vote for the leader of the free world. Absolutely bizarre.

Because some people can't afford ID's....

They'll loot a footlocker but not a DMV I suppose

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

You know what would fix most of this controversy. Showing up at the polls with an ID in hand. I know that's crazy talk. Sorry I'll see my way out.

Originally Posted by Brobocop

We've been voting by mail for decades. Think about that, decades. Nothing wrong with the process, there's something wrong with the outgoing President acting like there was widespread fraud only in the states he lost. Don't see them calling Senate races that went in their favor fraudulent. States like Ohio and Florida, nothing wrong here, move on.



Trump is literally saying that the only way he'd lose is if there was fraud. God, he is insufferable and I cannot wait until he's out of here.

Reality is somewhere in-between these two quotes.

True, mail-in and early voting have been going on a while. But ramping it all up so quickly led to minor issues.

True, voting in person with ID would solve a lot of problems. But we all know it would favor one side over the other, especially during a pandemic that one side takes more seriously than the other.

What's the compromise? I guess we will see.


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[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

This should never have been a question. It's something that should have been enacted decades ago. For me showing an ID when voting is a literal no brainer. There is no reason in the year 2020 that people can't cheaply acquire an ID. I need an ID to buy a beer but I don't need one to vote for the leader of the free world. Absolutely bizarre.

Who would I show an ID to when I vote by mail?

Again, all these claims of fraud in the voting system, yet nothing really proves that. It's actually something both sides agree is a pretty clean system. Heck, even the GOP lt. governor of Georgia says there are no credible examples of voter fraud in Georgia. So basically, voter ID only serves to disenfranchise people and create new bars for people to jump over in order to vote.

[Boo]

Seems a lot of countries have various forms of voter ID (some with a card that is sent in the mail, others actual photo IDs). Canada is one of them.

[Hootiefish]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/polit...per/index.html

Trump rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Who would I show an ID to when I vote by mail?

Again, all these claims of fraud in the voting system, yet nothing really proves that. It's actually something both sides agree is a pretty clean system. Heck, even the GOP lt. governor of Georgia says there are no credible examples of voter fraud in Georgia. So basically, voter ID only serves to disenfranchise people and create new bars for people to jump over in order to vote.

If you vote by mail it should only be by request and you should have to provide the ID# or something or something of that nature. Why is it another hoop for people when most have an id? I'm not understanding

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

This should never have been a question. It's something that should have been enacted decades ago. For me showing an ID when voting is a literal no brainer. There is no reason in the year 2020 that people can't cheaply acquire an ID. I need an ID to buy a beer but I don't need one to vote for the leader of the free world. Absolutely bizarre.

I can transfer thousands of dollars from a bank in France to a bank in Switzerland using my phone while I sit on a beach in Brazil. And I don't need to show ID to do it.

This is 2020.

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[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I can transfer thousands of dollars from a bank in France to a bank in Switzerland using my phone while I sit on a beach in Brazil. And I don't need to show ID to do it.

This is 2020.

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But somewhere along the line you have more than likely had to prove your identity... No?

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I can transfer thousands of dollars from a bank in France to a bank in Switzerland using my phone while I sit on a beach in Brazil. And I don't need to show ID to do it.

This is 2020.

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Using previously verified information correct?

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

welcome back cnewby!!!!!!!!!!!

Been here all along, fella.

Its funny to see who are the angry ones in this thread.

[discostu]

What problem does voter ID solve?

Seriously.

We talk about this all of the time, and there is no problem.

It's like a company coming out and selling a product to rid monsters from the underneaths of beds and closets. Sure, it seems like a well-though out and necessary product, but will still have yet to see evidence of monsters in the rooms of our American kids.

We'd be enacting laws to fix something that doesn't exist. That's big, big government and you libertarians here should balk at that.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

But somewhere along the line you have more than likely had to prove your identity... No?

Sure.

How about requiring that during Voter Registration?

And that can be done online too. If I can open a bank account online, I should be able to register to vote online.

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[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

If you vote by mail it should only be by request and you should have to provide the ID# or something or something of that nature. Why is it another hoop for people when most have an id? I'm not understanding

Millions of people don't have an ID for some reason or another. Because they don't have a government ID they shouldn't be allowed to vote? I don't follow. I'm not understanding. Where is the widespread fraud that would cause us to do something like require voter IDs?

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/09/polit...per/index.html

Trump rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

A big upside about Trump losing is that qualified folks branded as non-loyalists in government will be able to breathe a big sigh of relief. But given this news, they'll have to hold their breath a little longer.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Millions of people don't have an ID for some reason or another. Because they don't have a government ID they shouldn't be allowed to vote? I don't follow. I'm not understanding. Where is the widespread fraud that would cause us to do something like require voter IDs?

There has to be a compromise here.

The US government has every right to verify whether a person is legally entitled to cast a vote.

I guess for me the compromise is verifying a person's right to vote but doing it in a way that doesn't require in-person voting.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Using previously verified information correct?

Absolutely.

I believe states should be forced to verify the legality of a vote before counting it.

I just don't think that requires in-person voting and in-hand IDs.

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[Hootiefish]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/arkan...b66009569c0d85

Because the president's words have real meaning and matter.

The best part of this story is the fact that he said all of this on Parler, the far-right's new safe space. Since his posts and account were deleted on that site, will the right-wingers now need to move to an even safer space?

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by cnewby

Been here all along, fella.

Its funny to see who are the angry ones in this thread.

I know!!!

BDS starting to rear it's ugly head.


on to 2024!!!