2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by Boo

What are you bringing to the table besides "in your face" posts?

Actually, I haven't, to the best of my knowledge, made any "in your face posts."

If I were to, I would say:

"In your face Trumpkins. He lost, again, and is now crying about it, again. He's a footnote in history. His legacy will be impeachment, whining, COVID, and losing the popular vote twice. Yet even in loss he embarasses himself and those who voted for him. Trump represented the worst of us, and we have, in record numbers, rebuked him. Not his policies so much as him personally. And he will never, ever, be as beloved as President Obama, which eats at him every single day."

I could say that, but I won't.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Exactly. Let us analyze this rationally. There are two options:





Option A



Democrats have a multi-state voter fraud operation ongoing in order to change 10's of thousands of votes. They have managed to pull this off under the radar of the FBI and have had no leaks from within despite the number of people you would need to pull this off. They also decided to only target the president but left alone control of the Senate, including the ability to get rid of Mitch and Graham. Not only that but they attempted to pull this off under the term of a president who openly was alleging voter fraud for months before the election and who has control over the DOJ that he is weaponizing to use it against any potential political opponents.



or



Option B



Donny Dementia is crazy





Which do we think is more likely?

There are more than two options.

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[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

Actually, I haven't, to the best of my knowledge, made any "in your face posts."

If I were to, I would say:

"In your face Trumpkins. He lost, again, and is now crying about it, again. He's a footnote in history. His legacy will be impeachment, whining, COVID, and losing the popular vote twice. Yet even in loss he embarasses himself and those who voted for him. Trump represented the worst of us, and we have, in record numbers, rebuked him. Not his policies so much as him personally. And he will never, ever, be as beloved as President Obama, which eats at him every single day."

I could say that, but I won't.

Crazy post here, but just wondering. Do you think Obama was a good president?

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Crazy post here, but just wondering. Do you think Obama was a good president?

I do. Didn't agree with everything he did, but I felt that our country was in a better place in 2016 than 2008.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Crazy post here, but just wondering. Do you think Obama was a good president?

Really? You're wondering if he thinks Obama was a good president?

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[yanksfan1]

https://www.axios.com/trump-2024-pre...ca96ce6ce.html

I've been saying this forever and everyone tells me I'm crazy for thinking it

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

https://www.axios.com/trump-2024-pre...ca96ce6ce.html

I've been saying this forever and everyone tells me I'm crazy for thinking it

I firmly thought he'd run in 2024 whether he won this election or not, Constitution be damned.

[wood minis]

It is just common sense that large gatherings increase the risk of spreading the disease. There is risk in just being around one person if they have the disease. Thus the social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing mantra.

Hopefully this vaccine that is being touted today makes it through this last part of the trial and no adverse side effects continues to be the reality. Not because everyone will take it. But because most will which would make COVID-19 just another random and infrequent occurrence like the measles.

[wood minis]

duplicated

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

There are more than two options.

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I feel that there are likely going to be a decent number of inconsistencies found during review of the ballots across these states but nothing that is going to amount to some type of massive voter fraud ring. This is the first time most of these states have done mail in voting on such a mass scale. Even states that had a decent amount of mail in voting before this election were probably overwhelmed this time. It is reasonable to assume some issues could come up given how new it is. Going forward the states should continue to tweak and make changes to their processes to correct any potential problems that they saw come up during this election.

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Really? You're wondering if he thinks Obama was a good president?

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Didn't want to assume since his post only said Obama was beloved.

Just me, but I just don't understand how anyone can think Obama was a good president. I don't know of one good thing that he did and I could talk for days about all of the bad he did. Just one man's opinion though. Very happy we made it through his 2 terms, but we are definitely still seeing the effects of what he was trying to push. I still don't understand the adoration the media has for him. He was very good at speaking, but he sowed discord in this country like we hadn't seen in decades, yet he is known by the media as a uniting president. Although I don't really know any democratic politician that isn't beloved by the media.

Not wanting to get into it though. Was just asking him.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I do. Didn't agree with everything he did, but I felt that our country was in a better place in 2016 than 2008.

The economy Obama inherited was dire, that's for sure. The economy has improved since then until COVID-19. Hopefully we'll get back on track.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by wood minis

It is just common sense that large gatherings increase the risk of spreading the disease. There is risk in just being around one person if they have the disease. Thus the social distancing, mask wearing, hand washing mantra.

Hopefully this vaccine that is being touted today makes it through this last part of the trial and no adverse side effects continues to be the reality. Not because everyone will take it. But because most will which would make COVID-19 just another random and infrequent occurrence like the measles.

Gimme the vaccine. Please. I'm all about it. I volunteer for guinea pig duty.

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[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

Actually, I haven't, to the best of my knowledge, made any "in your face posts."

If I were to, I would say:

"In your face Trumpkins. He lost, again, and is now crying about it, again. He's a footnote in history. His legacy will be impeachment, whining, COVID, and losing the popular vote twice. Yet even in loss he embarasses himself and those who voted for him. Trump represented the worst of us, and we have, in record numbers, rebuked him. Not his policies so much as him personally. And he will never, ever, be as beloved as President Obama, which eats at him every single day."

I could say that, but I won't.

By the way, because it never translates over the interwebs, this post is mostly made in jest. I have no interest in rubbing a victory in the face of "all of the haters and losers", as Trump would say.

I hate the man and what he has done to our democracy. I do not hate people who voted for Trump. My parents voted for him the first time, not the second. I've got friends who voted for him at least once, maybe twice. My issue isn't with them, or you, or anyone other than Trump and the enabling sycophants he surrounds himself with.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

And I think you will see changes from Trump's allegations also, at least more transparency in the counting of votes, etc.

Transparency in what way?

Now, I do think the voters were duped (purposefully in some cases) by many states - most notably Pennsylvania. Trump never had the lead in Pennsylvania, yet the nation kept seeing this huge Trump lead in PA on Election Day. That's a shame, and that's a problem.

We watched and watched as those numbers got tighter and tighter, when it never should have been the case.

I do think that a lot of people were seemingly unaware that states control elections, not the federal government. States determine when ballots need to be received, not the federal government. This little nuance seems to have duped a lot of people...including our resident numbers guru.

Trump was most certainly aware of this notion, but he continued to sell the notion of "legal" ballots, alluding to legal ballots received after the 3rd were somehow invalid or "illegal."

The fact remains, we were not prepared for the impact of Covid on the election and voting. Some states adjusted well, some did not.

But transparency doesn't seem to be lacking, it's consistency that we're lacking...and that's expected.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Gimme the vaccine. Please. I'm all about it. I volunteer for guinea pig duty.

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That is what you would be doing. And hopefully you have an uncompromised immune system and it would work as advertised.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

I feel that there are likely going to be a decent number of inconsistencies found during review of the ballots across these states but nothing that is going to amount to some type of massive voter fraud ring. This is the first time most of these states have done mail in voting on such a mass scale. Even states that had a decent amount of mail in voting before this election were probably overwhelmed this time. It is reasonable to assume some issues could come up given how new it is. Going forward the states should continue to tweak and make changes to their processes to correct any potential problems that they saw come up during this election.

Yes. Therefore more than two options exist from your earlier post.

Option C

No widespread fraud exists and Donny Dementia is not crazy (about this lol).

The Donald is allowing these challenges to take place knowing full well they won't be able to prove widespread fraud. The GOP is doing this to try to guide voting and election laws in ways that they believe will be beneficial to republicans in future elections. The GOP knows that if they can push a narrative that ends with tighter voting restrictions, they will benefit in 2022 and 2024.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Didn't want to assume since his post only said Obama was beloved.

Just me, but I just don't understand how anyone can think Obama was a good president. I don't know of one good thing that he did and I could talk for days about all of the bad he did. Just one man's opinion though. Very happy we made it through his 2 terms, but we are definitely still seeing the effects of what he was trying to push. I still don't understand the adoration the media has for him. He was very good at speaking, but he sowed discord in this country like we hadn't seen in decades, yet he is known by the media as a uniting president. Although I don't really know any democratic politician that isn't beloved by the media.

Not wanting to get into it though. Was just asking him.

I disagree with some of your assessment of Obama, but not enough to justify discourse on the topic.

Obama is a very charismatic man and an excellent orator for sure. The rest I won't comment upon.

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[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I disagree with some of your assessment of Obama, but not enough to justify discourse on the topic.

Obama is a very charismatic man and an excellent orator for sure. The rest I won't comment upon.

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He certainly was and continues to be the king of empty platitudes. He's an expert at saying a bunch of words while saying nothing at all.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by discostu

Transparency in what way?

Now, I do think the voters were duped (purposefully in some cases) by many states - most notably Pennsylvania. Trump never had the lead in Pennsylvania, yet the nation kept seeing this huge Trump lead in PA on Election Day. That's a shame, and that's a problem.

We watched and watched as those numbers got tighter and tighter, when it never should have been the case.

I do think that a lot of people were seemingly unaware that states control elections, not the federal government. States determine when ballots need to be received, not the federal government. This little nuance seems to have duped a lot of people...including our resident numbers guru.

Trump was most certainly aware of this notion, but he continued to sell the notion of "legal" ballots, alluding to legal ballots received after the 3rd were somehow invalid or "illegal."

The fact remains, we were not prepared for the impact of Covid on the election and voting. Some states adjusted well, some did not.

But transparency doesn't seem to be lacking, it's consistency that we're lacking...and that's expected.

The main thing I would like to see fixed is allowing counters to process mail in ballots as they are arriving in all States. That would resolve this lag we saw this time. I trust that the people doing the counting know what they are doing and are doing the best they can. It is inconceivable to me that there are States that don't have both Democratic and Republican observers overseeing the process.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Exactly. Let us analyze this rationally. There are two options:


Option A

Democrats have a multi-state voter fraud operation ongoing in order to change 10's of thousands of votes. They have managed to pull this off under the radar of the FBI and have had no leaks from within despite the number of people you would need to pull this off. They also decided to only target the president but left alone control of the Senate, including the ability to get rid of Mitch and Graham. Not only that but they attempted to pull this off under the term of a president who openly was alleging voter fraud for months before the election and who has control over the DOJ that he is weaponizing to use it against any potential political opponents.

or

Option B

Donny Dementia is crazy


Which do we think is more likely?

Not to mention: IN ADVANCE OF THE ELECTION, they would have to pick the EXACT states that hung in the balance to perpetrate said fraud and target those states.


Damn, they are some incredible planners.


Since the amazing prognosticators here picked trump in the blowout poll to overwhelmingly take Georgia in the election, how did the dems pull this massive fraud off? I'd love to hear any reasonable/plausible explanations and not some fuzzy video of fake votes being burned.

[Ray27Ray52]

You know what would fix most of this controversy. Showing up at the polls with an ID in hand. I know that's crazy talk. Sorry I'll see my way out.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

You know what would fix most of this controversy. Showing up at the polls with an ID in hand. I know that's crazy talk. Sorry I'll see my way out.

agree.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Didn't want to assume since his post only said Obama was beloved.

Just me, but I just don't understand how anyone can think Obama was a good president. I don't know of one good thing that he did and I could talk for days about all of the bad he did. Just one man's opinion though. Very happy we made it through his 2 terms, but we are definitely still seeing the effects of what he was trying to push. I still don't understand the adoration the media has for him. He was very good at speaking, but he sowed discord in this country like we hadn't seen in decades, yet he is known by the media as a uniting president. Although I don't really know any democratic politician that isn't beloved by the media.

Not wanting to get into it though. Was just asking him.

I think he sowed discord in people looking for discord. Remember, when he came into office the right-wing media labeled him a Muslim and stated he wasn't born in this country. Many of - if not most - of the attacks on him were based upon the color of his skin and his "foreign" sounding name.

The right-wing media needed a villain, and they made one out of President Obama.

As for why I liked him as a president - pushed for environmental regulations, pushed for affordable healthcare (eliminating pre-existing conditions!), and attempted to bring about reform on Wall Street.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

You know what would fix most of this controversy. Showing up at the polls with an ID in hand. I know that's crazy talk. Sorry I'll see my way out.

We've been voting by mail for decades. Think about that, decades. Nothing wrong with the process, there's something wrong with the outgoing President acting like there was widespread fraud only in the states he lost. Don't see them calling Senate races that went in their favor fraudulent. States like Ohio and Florida, nothing wrong here, move on.

Trump is literally saying that the only way he'd lose is if there was fraud. God, he is insufferable and I cannot wait until he's out of here.