2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

850 justifiable police homicides this year, I don't remember her tweeting out the names of each of those individuals calling it "unbearable".

Curious timing to start now, wouldn't you say? (At the time, she didn't know any details of the shooting and it was later realized the guy had a gun, not a book).

It's only curious if you're willfully oblivious to the tenor of the country right now. While you do have the option, it's shortsighted to reduce the turmoil down to "black people hate cops" and ignore any of the precursors to the current outrage.

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I am always, always, always happy when there is a justified shooting. That means the good guy goes home to his family and the bad guy goes in the ground. That's a win for me. Always.

That's pretty gross.

[Brobocop]

I dunno if it's been posted, but the new Between Two Ferns with Zach Galifianakis episodes with Clinton was pretty darn funny.

http://www.slashfilm.com/hillary-cli...een-two-ferns/

[RossOK]

So let's assume Trump finally does release his tax records. What would be the most damning thing they could reveal? He's not worth nearly as much as he says?

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by RossOK

So let's assume Trump finally does release his tax records. What would be the most damning thing they could reveal? He's not worth nearly as much as he says?

If it's not needed, then move on. Can we see Hillary's medical reports?

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

If it's not needed, then move on. Can we see Hillary's medical reports?

Who said it's not needed? I meant damning as far as his supporters are concerned.

[CrownCollector]

I don't care about Trump's tax records, it would be humanly impossible for him to be more corrupt than his opponent.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by RossOK

Who said it's not needed? I meant damning as far as his supporters are concerned.

Are his supporters demanding to see his tax records or do they not care?

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

I don't care about Trump's tax records, it would be humanly impossible for him to be more corrupt than his opponent.

Facts not in evidence.

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Are his supporters demanding to see his tax records or do they not care?

Neither? I'm just trying to gauge what would be the hardest for them to ignore and try to justify.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by RossOK

It's only curious if you're willfully oblivious to the tenor of the country right now. While you do have the option, it's shortsighted to reduce the turmoil down to "black people hate cops" and ignore any of the precursors to the current outrage.

That's pretty gross.

I think nearly the entire black population would fail a basic history exam of the US starting with

1.) Are there more Americans who are descended from slave owners or more that immigrated to the US after slavery?

2.) How many people came to the US on slave ships? How many immigrated to the US from Africa since slavery ended.

3.) What specific racial incidents have you personally first hand experienced? If these were simply utterances or looks received from strangers, why do you even care?

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

I think nearly the entire black population would fail a basic history exam of the US starting with

1.) Are there more Americans who are descended from slave owners or more that immigrated to the US after slavery?

2.) How many people came to the US on slave ships? How many immigrated to the US from Africa since slavery ended.

3.) What specific racial incidents have you personally first hand experienced? If these were simply utterances or looks received from strangers, why do you even care?

I'm trying to parse what you're trying to get at here and I'm having no luck. The closest I can come is "GET OVER IT, BLACK PEOPLE" but I can't imagine that's what you're trying to say, right?

[awz50]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

I think nearly the entire black population would fail a basic history exam of the US starting with

1.) Are there more Americans who are descended from slave owners or more that immigrated to the US after slavery?

2.) How many people came to the US on slave ships? How many immigrated to the US from Africa since slavery ended.

3.) What specific racial incidents have you personally first hand experienced? If these were simply utterances or looks received from strangers, why do you even care?

I can say I would not fail that exam.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

I think nearly the entire black population would fail a basic history exam of the US starting with

1.) Are there more Americans who are descended from slave owners or more that immigrated to the US after slavery?

2.) How many people came to the US on slave ships? How many immigrated to the US from Africa since slavery ended.

3.) What specific racial incidents have you personally first hand experienced? If these were simply utterances or looks received from strangers, why do you even care?

1 and 2, i'm not quite sure, but are you suggesting that the only people discriminated against during slavery have an actual beef with the way things are today?

3- empathy not important to you? I happen to think empathy is pretty important. Putting yourself in the shoes of somebody else to see why they think the way they do is a pretty awesome skill to work on.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by RossOK

I'm trying to parse what you're trying to get at here and I'm having no luck. The closest I can come is "GET OVER IT, BLACK PEOPLE" but I can't imagine that's what you're trying to say, right?

That's actually fairly close.

I think the current events are specifically designed. You have a combination of:

-constant remarks by President Obama telling Americans to drop the "antiquated" idea of national borders(I can link recent speeches later tonight if you really need me to, but a quick search on YouTube bears this out).

-George Soros heavily finances organizations that encourage illegal immigration into Europe and the US. He also finances BLM(which btw is absolutely not an organic grass roots movement but rather a targeted well funded organization much like the Occupy movement a few years back...amazingly also funded by George Soros.)

- the media heavily focused on the racial aspect of events that factually were very different than portrayed by the media and worse yet in social media.....most notably Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and the absolute travesty of justice promulgated against Baltimore police Officers in the Freddie Grey death.

The truth is there are very few killings of unarmed men by police, and nothing indicating the killings are predicated on race. Except in the media which has that running near 24/7. I'm sad that this is what's happening. I don't want to see innocent people killed of any race and id like to think of al of us just as Americans. That's how I was raised anyway. My wife is Latina, as is my step daughter, and race really matters little to me. Ideals like family, God, living by the golden rule, and individual freedoms and liberties are overwhelmingly the ideas that dominate my outlook on life. And frankly I think that's the way it is for most Americans, or at least I'd hope so.

In this matter...it just seems like the media is playing a whole lot of people for fools and all of us are suffering due to that. Show me statistics indicating how wrong I am, and I'll protest with you. But if you can't factually demonstrate why your position is correct, I really don't have time for you.

[dodgerfanjohn]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

1 and 2, i'm not quite sure, but are you suggesting that the only people discriminated against during slavery have an actual beef with the way things are today?

3- empathy not important to you? I happen to think empathy is pretty important. Putting yourself in the shoes of somebody else to see why they think the way they do is a pretty awesome skill to work on.

1. I'll state that the concept of White Privellege that had been raise up until a month or so ago is absolute rubbish and that overwhelmingly most white Americans are descended from people who immigrated to the US after 1900. Certainly few, if any current Americans have money, wealth or positions of power due to ancestra slave holdings. However I do believe that there are imbeciles who do believe this nonsensical fairy tale.

2. Empathy? No I don't have to put myself in the shoes of someone to figure out that their ideas are incorrect. That's garbage that people with useless philosophy degrees advocate. In short, feelings matter in personal life interactions. They matter little in public policy discussions.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

That's actually fairly close.

I think the current events are specifically designed. You have a combination of:

-constant remarks by President Obama telling Americans to drop the "antiquated" idea of national borders(I can link recent speeches later tonight if you really need me to, but a quick search on YouTube bears this out).

-George Soros heavily finances organizations that encourage illegal immigration into Europe and the US. He also finances BLM(which btw is absolutely not an organic grass roots movement but rather a targeted well funded organization much like the Occupy movement a few years back...amazingly also funded by George Soros.)

- the media heavily focused on the racial aspect of events that factually were very different than portrayed by the media and worse yet in social media.....most notably Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and the absolute travesty of justice promulgated against Baltimore police Officers in the Freddie Grey death.

The truth is there are very few killings of unarmed men by police, and nothing indicating the killings are predicated on race. Except in the media which has that running near 24/7. I'm sad that this is what's happening. I don't want to see innocent people killed of any race and id like to think of al of us just as Americans. That's how I was raised anyway. My wife is Latina, as is my step daughter, and race really matters little to me. Ideals like family, God, living by the golden rule, and individual freedoms and liberties are overwhelmingly the ideas that dominate my outlook on life. And frankly I think that's the way it is for most Americans, or at least I'd hope so.

In this matter...it just seems like the media is playing a whole lot of people for fools and all of us are suffering due to that. Show me statistics indicating how wrong I am, and I'll protest with you. But if you can't factually demonstrate why your position is correct, I really don't have time for you.

Definitely one of the better posts of this thread.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

I don't care about Trump's tax records, it would be humanly impossible for him to be more corrupt than his opponent.

what if he is in debt to another country? I have zero information regarding this, but that would be an important thing I would like to know before electing somebody that could square their debts with the country's coffers.

i think it's very important to have an idea on the financials of a candidate before i vote for them.

[CrownCollector]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

what if he is in debt to another country? I have zero information regarding this, but that would be an important thing I would like to know before electing somebody that could square their debts with the country's coffers.

i think it's very important to have an idea on the financials of a candidate before i vote for them.

So you're voting for Trump and want to see his financials? I'd love to see the financials from the Clinton's and their totally up and up foundation. I mean, it's not like they take bribe money and donations from big pharma who push opiates on everyone and foreign countries who support rape and stoning women or anything.

[fezziwig]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

1. I'll state that the concept of White Privellege that had been raise up until a month or so ago is absolute rubbish and that overwhelmingly most white Americans are descended from people who immigrated to the US after 1900. Certainly few, if any current Americans have money, wealth or positions of power due to ancestra slave holdings. However I do believe that there are imbeciles who do believe this nonsensical fairy tale.

2. Empathy? No I don't have to put myself in the shoes of someone to figure out that their ideas are incorrect. That's garbage that people with useless philosophy degrees advocate. In short, feelings matter in personal life interactions. They matter little in public policy discussions.

Its a mistake to believe American racism is only related to African slavery or slave owners. In Plessy v Feguson, the Supreme Court ruled that racial segregation laws were legal -- this case was decided 30 years after the slaver South lost the Civil War. In Brown v Board of Education, in 1954 -- nearly 90 years after the Civil War -- the Court changed direction and ruled against racial segregation laws.

In 1963, the government of California passed a law to stop landlords using race as a reason to not rent or sell property; by 1964, the citizens of California overturned that new law and made it legal again to discriminate based on race. A few years later, the Courts made it illegal again.

Interacial marriage was illegal in many states until the Supreme Court case Loving vs Virginia, in 1967, ruled such laws to be unconstitutional; the state of Alabama did not update its legal code until the year 2000, and only after a statewide vote, in which over 30% voted against legal interracial marriage -- in the year 2000.

Racism and racist thought extends far beyond 1900, or those who's ancestors were involved in pre-Civil War American slavery. If you've never encountered a racist in America, you're either: really young, lucky, or living a sheltered life.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by CrownCollector

So you're voting for Trump and want to see his financials? I'd love to see the financials from the Clinton's and their totally up and up foundation. I mean, it's not like they take bribe money and donations from big pharma who push opiates on everyone and foreign countries who support rape and stoning women or anything.

i'm not doing the "oh yeah, but the other side is THIS" thing. Every candidate in recent elections has released some length of back tax returns.

Trump refuses. He raked Romney over the coals for not doing it in 2012. I want to see the financials.

legit, my vote does hinge on it. If he's as good of a business man as he says he is, his tax returns will back it up and boom, he'll have gained a liberal vote (because Clinton is too establishment for me to be super comfortable voting for her).

I'm trying really hard not to conjure up reasons as to why he hasn't released them, but the closer it gets to the election and debates, the worse it's gonna get.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

1. I'll state that the concept of White Privellege that had been raise up until a month or so ago is absolute rubbish and that overwhelmingly most white Americans are descended from people who immigrated to the US after 1900. Certainly few, if any current Americans have money, wealth or positions of power due to ancestra slave holdings. However I do believe that there are imbeciles who do believe this nonsensical fairy tale.

2. Empathy? No I don't have to put myself in the shoes of someone to figure out that their ideas are incorrect. That's garbage that people with useless philosophy degrees advocate. In short, feelings matter in personal life interactions. They matter little in public policy discussions.

and Jim Crow was just a character in Dumbo.

[Hess687]

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[Panthersfans]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

i'm not doing the "oh yeah, but the other side is THIS" thing. Every candidate in recent elections has released some length of back tax returns.

Trump refuses. He raked Romney over the coals for not doing it in 2012. I want to see the financials.

legit, my vote does hinge on it. If he's as good of a business man as he says he is, his tax returns will back it up and boom, he'll have gained a liberal vote (because Clinton is too establishment for me to be super comfortable voting for her).

I'm trying really hard not to conjure up reasons as to why he hasn't released them, but the closer it gets to the election and debates, the worse it's gonna get.

Sorry, I find it pretty hard to see your vote hinging on Trumps tax returns.

[ssbledsoe]

[ajlaxmn]

Originally Posted by dodgerfanjohn

That's actually fairly close.

I think the current events are specifically designed. You have a combination of:

-constant remarks by President Obama telling Americans to drop the "antiquated" idea of national borders(I can link recent speeches later tonight if you really need me to, but a quick search on YouTube bears this out).

-George Soros heavily finances organizations that encourage illegal immigration into Europe and the US. He also finances BLM(which btw is absolutely not an organic grass roots movement but rather a targeted well funded organization much like the Occupy movement a few years back...amazingly also funded by George Soros.)

- the media heavily focused on the racial aspect of events that factually were very different than portrayed by the media and worse yet in social media.....most notably Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, and the absolute travesty of justice promulgated against Baltimore police Officers in the Freddie Grey death.

The truth is there are very few killings of unarmed men by police, and nothing indicating the killings are predicated on race. Except in the media which has that running near 24/7. I'm sad that this is what's happening. I don't want to see innocent people killed of any race and id like to think of al of us just as Americans. That's how I was raised anyway. My wife is Latina, as is my step daughter, and race really matters little to me. Ideals like family, God, living by the golden rule, and individual freedoms and liberties are overwhelmingly the ideas that dominate my outlook on life. And frankly I think that's the way it is for most Americans, or at least I'd hope so.

In this matter...it just seems like the media is playing a whole lot of people for fools and all of us are suffering due to that. Show me statistics indicating how wrong I am, and I'll protest with you. But if you can't factually demonstrate why your position is correct, I really don't have time for you.

Absolutely, the very little of CNN, FOX, or any major news network, on top of articles that are written on these sites, makes me respect that profession less and less. Just watching the one biased opinions from these sites is mind numbing. The race play, especially by CNN, my god, pathetic, ANY chance they have they will push it. Social media doesn't help, when people can feel like they are part of a movement by simply posting something or hash tagging it. Doesn't help that everybody and their mother wants to jump on the flavor of the month movement on social media which if it involves the blaming or accusations against an INNOCENT person, can really do damage.

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

what if he is in debt to another country? I have zero information regarding this, but that would be an important thing I would like to know before electing somebody that could square their debts with the country's coffers.

i think it's very important to have an idea on the financials of a candidate before i vote for them.

I'm pretty sure if he were in debt to another country it wouldn't matter. It's not like he'd couldn't simply just decide not to pay them back.