The Official NBA Regular Season Thread—-21/22 Edition

[The_Reverend]

Loving the talk about my guy…..Jaren Jackson Jr.

[Grizzkid12]

This is the game that turns around the Hawks season.

You heard it here first

[ninjacookies]

Bueno Pelo with 30/11 as the Hawnks sink Yannis and ascend towards that coveted 11th seed.

[pingbling23]

Omg Westbrook

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Omg Westbrook

Nasty. Rare flash of that vintage okc WB.

https://streamable.com/l5u77k


Top 3 throwdown of the year.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Nasty. Rare flash of that vintage okc WB.

https://streamable.com/l5u77k


Top 3 throwdown of the year.

That was nasty. Thanks for posting the highlight.

[pingbling23]

Great win Lakers. Better record then the warriors over the last 10 games!!!

[brock]

Let me just put this here.

Should end the JJJ lovefest. Lol.



I know this is the basic Google stat page and the stat needs will ridicule me for that... But this dude is wildly inconsistent. A terrible shooter. And not the cream of any class at this moment.


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[nibrugnerotto]

Originally Posted by brock

Let me just put this here.

Should end the JJJ lovefest. Lol.



I know this is the basic Google stat page and the stat needs will ridicule me for that... But this dude is wildly inconsistent. A terrible shooter. And not the cream of any class at this moment.


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I think people are more focused on him having at least 5 blocks in 4 of the last 6 games.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I think JJJ is the difference between them being a fringe playoff team and a contender and I would even say he's the most important player on the team.

But he's no better than Ja. Ja is playing at an All-NBA level, JJJ (even when just using the current run) is a borderline All-Star at best.

Here comes an unpopular take:

Ja is NOT playing at an All-NBA level, and everyone is blinded by the highlights and giddy about their card holdings going TO THE MOON!

Let's play one of those "guess Player A/B/C" games:

So far in January:
Player A: 23.6 PTS @49% FG / 0.6 3PM @18% / 5.8 REB / 6.9 AST / 0.8 STL / 3.6 TO
Player B: 22.7 PTS @45% FG / 0.9 3PM @24% / 4.7 REB / 6.3 AST / 1.1 STL / 3.0 TO
Player C: 23.3 PTS @50% FG / 0.8 3PM @26% / 3.7 REB / 4.7 AST / 0.9 STL / 2.7 TO
So, which one of those is All-NBA, and which ones are guys nobody cares about?

January too small of a sample size? Let's try full season:
Player A: 24.4 PTS @49% FG / 1.5 3PM @36% / 5.9 REB / 6.7 AST / 1.3 STL / 3.3 TO
Player B: 24.6 PTS @43% FG / 2.3 3PM @29% / 8.6 REB / 8.8 AST / 1.2 STL / 4.5 TO
Player C: 27.7 PTS @45% FG / 2.7 3PM @37% / 3.9 REB / 9.4 AST / 1.0 STL / 4.1 TO
Again, does one of those really stand out above the others?


Everyone will probably twist this into a "you hate Ja" thing and roast me for it, but I'm just pointing out that objectively, he's playing well, but not really that much better than any of his peers. Is he greatly improved from last year? Yes. Is his team the most successful? Yes. But I think it's been (rightly) pointed out that a lot of it is due to the team / infrastructure in Memphis, and he is the face of the franchise so he just gets the credit by default.

My assertion is still that for all the high-usage guards on that "who would you build around" poll, they are probably interchangeable, but our perceptions get skewed by highlights (yay dunks & mean mugs!), gaudy box scores (record setting usage), and Wins. The question is, how much credit do we give to a point guard for the team's overall success? It's tough, especially for the ones who are negatives on the defensive end.

[KhalDrogo]

Lakers snap the losing streak against winning teams, and the Hawks snap the home losing streak on the same night. Who would have thought.

[Dame]

Put a smaller player at the 5 and watch Gobert and the Jazz defense completely gets undressed.

Rinse and repeat in the playoffs.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hmfaigen/...5Es1_&ref_url=

[rhigh2390]

Originally Posted by Dame

Put a smaller player at the 5 and watch Gobert and the Jazz defense completely gets undressed.

Rinse and repeat in the playoffs.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hmfaigen/...5Es1_&ref_url=

Exactly. Which is why nobody actually thinks the Jazz will ever do anything.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Exactly. Which is why nobody actually thinks the Jazz will ever do anything.

It was a crazy 4th Quarter. A player on a 10 day contract was slicing through that defense with ease.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by Dame

Put a smaller player at the 5 and watch Gobert and the Jazz defense completely gets undressed.

Rinse and repeat in the playoffs.

https://mobile.twitter.com/hmfaigen/...5Es1_&ref_url=

This is based on Jazz philosophy of telling Gobert to stay in and protect the paint though. There's an excellent video just posted on youtube breaking this down.

The Jazz' defense is designed so that the 4 guards/wings funnel their matchups into the paint and let Gobert do the rest

^this quote is near the 6 minute mark - but whole thing is good.

Basically the Jazz are just refusing to adjust strategy despite the league trending toward "positionless basketball" for the last several years.

https://youtu.be/pHbSxBaclKw

[Akphillips86]

No secret that the Jazz defense is vulnerable against certain offenses. It’s tough to use a game where the Jazz shoot just over 25 percent from three as a barometer for anything though.

I’ve said it before, I wish DMitch would focus on slashing and getting to the rim/FT line more often when the three isn’t falling for him. He’s absolutely elite when the inside/outside game is going for him, but sometimes he’s ice cold from outside. It would bother me less if he wasn’t such a killer off the drive. Mitchell would be a pick and roll nightmare paired with another versatile scorer with some length.


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[daeve]

Originally Posted by brock

Let me just put this here.

Should end the JJJ lovefest. Lol.



I know this is the basic Google stat page and the stat needs will ridicule me for that... But this dude is wildly inconsistent. A terrible shooter. And not the cream of any class at this moment.


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so what does that make Luka?

28.9% from 3 for Luka, 31.1% for "terrible shooter" JJJ...

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by daeve

so what does that make Luka?

28.9% from 3 for Luka, 31.1% for "terrible shooter" JJJ...

Luka isn't a great shooter but let's not pretend their level of shot difficulty is even on the same planet.

Let me know when JJJ starts creating his own shots and being triple covered.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Luka isn't a great shooter but let's not pretend their level of shot difficulty is even on the same planet.

Let me know when JJJ starts creating his own shots and being triple covered.

Luka FT% = 74%
JJJ FT% = 82.8%

or does Luka get triple teamed there as well?

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by daeve

Luka FT% = 74%
JJJ FT% = 82.8%

or does Luka get triple teamed there as well?

That's great that he is shooting almost 83% from the FT line. Will help counter his 41.2% shooting from the floor. That's REALLY bad.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by daeve

Luka FT% = 74%
JJJ FT% = 82.8%

or does Luka get triple teamed there as well?

Who cares?

Can you guess which side is which

Now who is the better shooter again? I'll wait for your response

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Here comes an unpopular take:

Ja is NOT playing at an All-NBA level, and everyone is blinded by the highlights and giddy about their card holdings going TO THE MOON!

Let's play one of those "guess Player A/B/C" games:

So far in January:
Player A: 23.6 PTS @49% FG / 0.6 3PM @18% / 5.8 REB / 6.9 AST / 0.8 STL / 3.6 TO
Player B: 22.7 PTS @45% FG / 0.9 3PM @24% / 4.7 REB / 6.3 AST / 1.1 STL / 3.0 TO
Player C: 23.3 PTS @50% FG / 0.8 3PM @26% / 3.7 REB / 4.7 AST / 0.9 STL / 2.7 TO
So, which one of those is All-NBA, and which ones are guys nobody cares about?

January too small of a sample size? Let's try full season:
Player A: 24.4 PTS @49% FG / 1.5 3PM @36% / 5.9 REB / 6.7 AST / 1.3 STL / 3.3 TO
Player B: 24.6 PTS @43% FG / 2.3 3PM @29% / 8.6 REB / 8.8 AST / 1.2 STL / 4.5 TO
Player C: 27.7 PTS @45% FG / 2.7 3PM @37% / 3.9 REB / 9.4 AST / 1.0 STL / 4.1 TO
Again, does one of those really stand out above the others?


Everyone will probably twist this into a "you hate Ja" thing and roast me for it, but I'm just pointing out that objectively, he's playing well, but not really that much better than any of his peers. Is he greatly improved from last year? Yes. Is his team the most successful? Yes. But I think it's been (rightly) pointed out that a lot of it is due to the team / infrastructure in Memphis, and he is the face of the franchise so he just gets the credit by default.

My assertion is still that for all the high-usage guards on that "who would you build around" poll, they are probably interchangeable, but our perceptions get skewed by highlights (yay dunks & mean mugs!), gaudy box scores (record setting usage), and Wins. The question is, how much credit do we give to a point guard for the team's overall success? It's tough, especially for the ones who are negatives on the defensive end.

So, he's not better than Trae, who's playing at an All-NBA level? And who is the other guy, no one is putting those numbers this season.

Efficiency also matters a lot, you can out big number and be inefficient doing it like Westbrook. Ja and Trae are not like that.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by indyguy

That's great that he is shooting almost 83% from the FT line. Will help counter his 41.2% shooting from the floor. That's REALLY bad.

Yes it's pretty subpar - and here's the thing, it's not hindering his ability to play winning basketball.

Ja down = starts winning.
Brooks down [again] = keeps winning.
Coach Jenkins out = keeps winning.
No Big steve, no problem, he switches effortlessly from the 4 to the 5 = keeps winning.

he's the been the stalwart presence on the most impressive team so far this season. When Ja is out his scoring goes up, when adams is out his interior D / blocks shoot up. When the opposing team shoots the ball he finds a body to box out.

Point is he's been phenomenal even with his shooting taking a dip - I see reason for optimism because he keeps working on new things / adjusting. Last couple weeks he's been attacking the paint more often, I think he's beginning to realize he can get into a rhythm that way when his outside shot isn't falling.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Who cares?

Can you guess which side is which

Now who is the better shooter again? I'll wait for your response

Please show me where I said he was the better shooter...?

You're the one who brought up "shot difficulty" so I pointed out the FT line, where shot difficulty is equalized.

[Dame]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

So, he's not better than Trae, who's playing at an All-NBA level? And who is the other guy, no one is putting those numbers this season.

Efficiency also matters a lot, you can out big number and be inefficient doing it like Westbrook. Ja and Trae are not like that.

He’s probably talking about SGA.