The Official NBA Regular Season Thread—-21/22 Edition

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by cardbored

His base Prizm has doubled since November (from $3.50 to $7...from an $1800 box, ouch). I have a handful of his autos, which have also doubled since then. Are his high-end cards doing better than 2x? If you bought during the Summer, you're doing even better.

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It's hard to say what the increase on the ultra high end is, because it hasn't moved a whole lot. I know a PSA 9 Prizm Gold did $5800 a few weeks ago. A PSA 10 Black Gold did around $12-$13k maybe a month or two ago, then a BGS 9.5 Black Gold did close to that a few weeks later.

Right now who knows what a PSA 10 Nebula or Gold would do... it would come down to whether or not 2 collectors with very deep pockets wanted to chase it or not.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tjforce

It's hard to put a multiple on what he should sell for in comparison, because both of those guys have done more (and had more time to do it, particularly in Dame's case). And those guys are legit NBA stars.

The part about not getting pumped is that over the past 1+ year I've seen Garland get outsold by:

Bol Bol
Tyler Herro
Poku
Michael Porter Jr
Kevin Porter Jr
Sekou Doumbouya
Cam Reddish
Coby White

Just to name a few.

We're in absolute agreement here. It feels as though Garland was perhaps the red headed step child of the hyped 2019 draft class. MPJ and Herro both had the pre-draft pedigree (that UK $$$ is serious), while dudes like KPJ still leave me scratching my head. Chalk Reddish and RJ up to the Brotherhood alliance, and Coby had those rookie year flashes that made people think he'd actually be the pg of Chicago's future. Let's pretend Le Bouc never happened....


I think this is a combination of Garland having a slower progression than his peers, when in actuality he may have the higher realized potential. It's still early to tell on a lot of these guys, but I still like the class overall from a depth perspective. I still remember a time when Sexton's stuff was on fire and Garland was the afterthought. But it seems Sexy's stuff has fallen by the wayside as most have seen he's a one dimensional 2 that has no business running the offense.

The hobby is weird. But we all know this. If Cleveland makes a deep playoff run and/or Gar raises his season averages to the mid 2x/8 range, then I'm certain we'll see a significant shift in hobby perspective. I've held pretty much all my 19-20 stuff, so I welcome it with open arms.

Originally Posted by cardbored

The hobby does value winning, so if the Cavs keep rolling, that'll certainly help.

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Definitely to an extent. Typically winning means more media coverage and familiarity with otherwise little known talents on small market teams. I'm excited to see what Cleveland can do if they can hold onto a spot.

[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by tjforce

It's hard to say what the increase on the ultra high end is, because it hasn't moved a whole lot. I know a PSA 9 Prizm Gold did $5800 a few weeks ago. A PSA 10 Black Gold did around $12-$13k maybe a month or two ago, then a BGS 9.5 Black Gold did close to that a few weeks later.

Right now who knows what a PSA 10 Nebula or Gold would do... it would come down to whether or not 2 collectors with very deep pockets wanted to chase it or not.

I gotta chime in TJ.

You've got some massive balls paying $5k for a Garland Prizm Gold. Kudos to you. I know you've taken plenty of wins in your time so you've got the fun coupons. But fortune favours the bold and I tip my hat.

[KhalDrogo]

Garland not having autos is probably his biggest hobby issue. Best cards are going to be Kaboom, Colorblast, One and One, and the better Prizm/Select Courtside/Optic parallels. That’s a very weak list, especially when people are still suffering from Chromium fatigue.

[rhigh2390]

Durant out 4-6 weeks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...d-sprained-mcl

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by rhigh2390

Durant out 4-6 weeks.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...d-sprained-mcl

Seems like they can never get the big 3 playing together for a long time.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Seems like they can never get the big 3 playing together for a long time.

Only the playoffs matter. Might be better to not get a top seed, more away games that Kyrie can play.

[KhalDrogo]

Hawks have lost 10 straight at home. Last win was against OKC on November 22.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

We're in absolute agreement here. It feels as though Garland was perhaps the red headed step child of the hyped 2019 draft class. MPJ and Herro both had the pre-draft pedigree (that UK $$$ is serious), while dudes like KPJ still leave me scratching my head. Chalk Reddish and RJ up to the Brotherhood alliance, and Coby had those rookie year flashes that made people think he'd actually be the pg of Chicago's future. Let's pretend Le Bouc never happened....


I think this is a combination of Garland having a slower progression than his peers, when in actuality he may have the higher realized potential. It's still early to tell on a lot of these guys, but I still like the class overall from a depth perspective. I still remember a time when Sexton's stuff was on fire and Garland was the afterthought. But it seems Sexy's stuff has fallen by the wayside as most have seen he's a one dimensional 2 that has no business running the offense.

The hobby is weird. But we all know this. If Cleveland makes a deep playoff run and/or Gar raises his season averages to the mid 2x/8 range, then I'm certain we'll see a significant shift in hobby perspective. I've held pretty much all my 19-20 stuff, so I welcome it with open arms.



Definitely to an extent. Typically winning means more media coverage and familiarity with otherwise little known talents on small market teams. I'm excited to see what Cleveland can do if they can hold onto a spot.

This is definitely still an issue...

The Cavs highest profile game this year was against the Warriors last week in Klay's return. As Garland hit a step back 3, the play by play announcer said "Garland... the rock star for the Indians".

Not only is that not the preferred nomenclature, that's not even the right Cleveland team (or one that exists anymore).

But I'll tell you this.. if the Cavs can keep winning (and by that I mean continue being a top 6 team) into next year, you are going to hear a lot about them from the 'LeBron coming back to Cleveland' rumors that will be going around all season. At this point I'm not going to worry about it... having too much fun with these young guys.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by drobfan8

I gotta chime in TJ.

You've got some massive balls paying $5k for a Garland Prizm Gold. Kudos to you. I know you've taken plenty of wins in your time so you've got the fun coupons. But fortune favours the bold and I tip my hat.

Thanks man...

2 of the big reasons I bought in:
-His numbers were up across the board last year. Almost all of them. Pts, Assists, FG%, 3 pt %, stls... all up significantly. It's rare to find a 20 year old that shoots 40% from 3 while also being a distributor.

-The Cavs decided to build the offense around him. At pick 3 they could have traded up to get Cade, or settled for Suggs and handing the offense over to them. Instead they took Mobley, who was a great compliment. It a lot of ways I saw a scenario where they began to run the offense similar to the way Atlanta does with Trae, just with lower usage. That's sort of how it's panned out. The real upside here is if Mobley hits his ceiling.

[daeve]

here's the highlight of the 300lb sloppy fat boy cooking Dwight with footwork

https://streamable.com/ixy3e0

[SK40]

Originally Posted by daeve

here's the highlight of the 300lb sloppy fat boy cooking Dwight with footwork

https://streamable.com/ixy3e0

Several times

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by daeve

here's the highlight of the 300lb sloppy fat boy cooking Dwight with footwork

https://streamable.com/ixy3e0

for a second there I thought you had a Zion update

[daeve]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

for a second there I thought you had a Zion update

not even sure what a salty Morris twin would call Zion if they had a scuffle lol

[daeve]

Ant pulling out the heavyweight robe is pretty fun

https://streamable.com/78fhp3

[daeve]

Jokic with triple doubles through 3 quarters in consecutive nights... no idea if that's ever been done before

[imbluestreak23]

Papa Anthony reminding Ant whose team it is against Curryless dubs

[tjforce]

It's now becoming very apparent to me how valuable to the Jazz Rudy Gobert is.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by tjforce

It's now becoming very apparent to me how valuable to the Jazz Rudy Gobert is.

Gobert is every bit as vital as Mitchell. Some thought it was foolish when the Jazz gave them both big contracts (especially Rudy), but you need both to contend. I still think Phoenix has the upper hand in the West, but it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.


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[drobfan8]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Thanks man...

2 of the big reasons I bought in:
-His numbers were up across the board last year. Almost all of them. Pts, Assists, FG%, 3 pt %, stls... all up significantly. It's rare to find a 20 year old that shoots 40% from 3 while also being a distributor.

-The Cavs decided to build the offense around him. At pick 3 they could have traded up to get Cade, or settled for Suggs and handing the offense over to them. Instead they took Mobley, who was a great compliment. It a lot of ways I saw a scenario where they began to run the offense similar to the way Atlanta does with Trae, just with lower usage. That's sort of how it's panned out. The real upside here is if Mobley hits his ceiling.

Sound reasoning man. Best of luck with it. I hope Mobley continues to get better along with the rest of them.

Originally Posted by tjforce

It's now becoming very apparent to me how valuable to the Jazz Rudy Gobert is.

I feel like Gobert is exactly who Luka needs to contend. Well, most teams really.

[KhalDrogo]

Didn’t realize Draymond has what sounds like a herniated disc. That’s going to be a problem.

[daeve]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Didn’t realize Draymond has what sounds like a herniated disc. That’s going to be a problem.

oof, yeah that puts a dent in the armor of what looked like a very strong contender back in Nov/Dec....

wondering if the rankers of the nba.com power rankings knew... as the Grizz are sitting at #1 right now. CHOO CHOO

[Tallboy]

Originally Posted by Akphillips86

Gobert is every bit as vital as Mitchell. Some thought it was foolish when the Jazz gave them both big contracts (especially Rudy), but you need both to contend. I still think Phoenix has the upper hand in the West, but it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.


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I'll go further and say that Gobert to this point in their careers has been easily the more valuable player year after year.

Something that it seems no one wants to actually admit is that Gobert had a strong case for MVP last season, and will have a strong case again if he returns and leads the Jazz back to an elite seed. While it's fine to quibble with Gobert's ability to impact in the playoffs, to me folks who don't see Gobert as one of the most valuable regular season players in the world to me are focused more on what they think an MVP should be able to do on the court rather than how much value he adds to his team.

As I say all of this, I certainly understand the argument that if Utah wins a championship, good chance it comes on the back of Mitchell having a dominant playoff run where he becomes more valuable than Gobert.

[Akphillips86]

Originally Posted by Tallboy

I'll go further and say that Gobert to this point in their careers has been easily the more valuable player year after year.

Something that it seems no one wants to actually admit is that Gobert had a strong case for MVP last season, and will have a strong case again if he returns and leads the Jazz back to an elite seed. While it's fine to quibble with Gobert's ability to impact in the playoffs, to me folks who don't see Gobert as one of the most valuable regular season players in the world to me are focused more on what they think an MVP should be able to do on the court rather than how much value he adds to his team.

As I say all of this, I certainly understand the argument that if Utah wins a championship, good chance it comes on the back of Mitchell having a dominant playoff run where he becomes more valuable than Gobert.

I agree with a lot of your assessment. I view both as absolutely essential for the Jazz, so while serving completely different purposes, each is of nearly equal value in the big picture.

I think Gobert’s impact is very often lost on people who just look at box scores and PPG. Gobert is an absolutely premier rebounder and interior defender that singlehandedly changes the way teams choose to attack. He’s criminally underrated, no argument there.

On the other hand, Mitchell’s ability to get buckets (especially late in the game), penetrate defenses, and create instant offense is the only way the Jazz will ever take down another true Championship contender as you alluded to. I don’t think many people watch Utah so I also think many fail to appreciate Mitchell’s ability to take on multiple defenders on any possession and get to the rack despite his diminutive stature (much like Ja). Sometimes I wish he would actually drive more instead of jacking threes when he’s not connecting, but that goes for many players in today’s NBA.

Neither player is easily replaced. I’m rooting for them, but my gut tells me it will be Phoenix out of the West again.


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[Nomad]

To those who checked out the Celtics - Pelicans day game.... good cohesive team effort, with a not-foregone comeback sparked when Nesmith came off the bench with 3 minutes left in the third. He stayed in game rest of the way and had a contested dunk-plus-foul off a Tatum pass highlight of the game. May even make the official NBA highlights.

Also, about this time in a player's career, away broadcasters finally start pronouncing the last name right. Nee...