2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

So all the Trump haters are obviously afraid of what he might do in his last couple months as President if he knows he has limited time and no repercussions.

But it just hit me, if he has any interest in actually running again in 2024, then he can't do anything wild in those last few months or it would really come back to bite him in 2024. I've seen people question if he'll give out terrible pardons, especially to family members, that he might just decide he's done with it and move to Mar a Lago with a week or two left, and many other things being thrown out there.

But I'd think any of those would really hurt him in a re-election, it would write the attacking ads for themselves.

However I also don't think Trump is someone to think about how his actions today will affect something 4 years from now, so it likely would't stop him from doing anything he wants at this point lol.

I think there is 0% chance he would run again. And that has nothing to do with the Republican party not even wanting him in all probability. I do think he'll do something with media whether it's his own network or his own show. He loves the limelight.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Ive openly said that there have been plenty of times I wish Trump would be quiet, but to say we were a laughingstock I think that may be a little much. So while Biden pushes for changes that i can promise you wont be good for all American's at least he wont be on Twitter arguing and he will make nice calm speeches so i hope you are good with the tradeoff

There are basically no changes that are good for ALL Americans. His changes won't be driven by greed unlike the Donald and I doubt he has late night calls with Putin but I could be wrong.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I think there is 0% chance he would run again. And that has nothing to do with the Republican party not even wanting him in all probability. I do think he'll do something with media whether it's his own network or his own show. He loves the limelight.

The Republican party has no choice if he decides to run, they couldn't do anything to stop him from running away with the nomination.

Think about it.... if he ran, he'd immediately keep his entire loyal base, that alone is likely enough to out-vote the standard Republicans who vote for him but not part of that deeply loyal base.

Then how could you run in a primary against him? it didn't work the first time when they attacked him as a person or his policies, and that was before he spent the last 4 years gaining more power with what he says. So someone like Cruz couldn't go back to bashing him in a primary, Trump would squish him like a bug. But they'd never attack him because they'd know he'd win the primary and they couldn't risk upsetting him or his base as they're needed for their own elections still.

If he ran, he'd win the primary without having to do debates or campaign.

And I think if he has his own media channel, it would only help him come election time as you know how slanted that channel would be on every topic and would have a large viewer base with all his followers.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I mean that's a true assessment but if I don't like someone I probably wouldn't view them as a role model. I don't understand the point you're making.

I know that. My only point for commenting was i was under the impression by the original role model comment that Biden would somehow be a good role model. I wasnt trying to say either is or should be

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

There are basically no changes that are good for ALL Americans. His changes won't be driven by greed unlike the Donald and I doubt he has late night calls with Putin but I could be wrong.

So what will be Biden's motivation then?

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

I know that. My only point for commenting was i was under the impression by the original role model comment that Biden would somehow be a good role model. I wasnt trying to say either is or should be

sorry I missed that

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Fratboy

Best speech from an American leader, in close to 4 years.
It's been a while now

Great. Now what will he do? I understand a lot of people prefer words over actions, not me. I want to see actions.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

The Republican party has no choice if he decides to run, they couldn't do anything to stop him from running away with the nomination.

Think about it.... if he ran, he'd immediately keep his entire loyal base, that alone is likely enough to out-vote the standard Republicans who vote for him but not part of that deeply loyal base.

Then how could you run in a primary against him? it didn't work the first time when they attacked him as a person or his policies, and that was before he spent the last 4 years gaining more power with what he says. So someone like Cruz couldn't go back to bashing him in a primary, Trump would squish him like a bug. But they'd never attack him because they'd know he'd win the primary and they couldn't risk upsetting him or his base as they're needed for their own elections still.

If he ran, he'd win the primary without having to do debates or campaign.

And I think if he has his own media channel, it would only help him come election time as you know how slanted that channel would be on every topic and would have a large viewer base with all his followers.

Once 4 more years go by I don't think the following that you are referencing will as big as you think. I may be wrong

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Great. Now what will he do? I understand a lot of people prefer words over actions, not me. I want to see actions.

Actions and policies dont matter good tones and not talking about the other side is what matters

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

The Republican party has no choice if he decides to run, they couldn't do anything to stop him from running away with the nomination.

Think about it.... if he ran, he'd immediately keep his entire loyal base, that alone is likely enough to out-vote the standard Republicans who vote for him but not part of that deeply loyal base.

Then how could you run in a primary against him? it didn't work the first time when they attacked him as a person or his policies, and that was before he spent the last 4 years gaining more power with what he says. So someone like Cruz couldn't go back to bashing him in a primary, Trump would squish him like a bug. But they'd never attack him because they'd know he'd win the primary and they couldn't risk upsetting him or his base as they're needed for their own elections still.

If he ran, he'd win the primary without having to do debates or campaign.

And I think if he has his own media channel, it would only help him come election time as you know how slanted that channel would be on every topic and would have a large viewer base with all his followers.

It could happen but I don't think so. The other huge factor is his health seemed to be getting worse the last few months. He's 74 now and would be 78 then. I think he would be more likely to support his son than try to run himself. Hell, I hope Joe makes it a year.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Actions and policies dont matter good tones and not talking about the other side is what matters

And not making a fool of yourself or trying to dismantle an electoral process that has been in place for hundreds of years because you're a sore loser.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Once 4 more years go by I don't think the following that you are referencing will as big as you think. I may be wrong

I think it will grow, as I do think he'll start some sort of media company and his followers not only won't go anywhere, but they'll grow.

Especially with him no longer under the constraints of the Presidency in regards to what he can say or do (not that it stopped him much already), he'll be able to really go off the deep end his people will eat it up, as that's what they love about him.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

And not making a fool of yourself or trying to dismantle an electoral process that has been in place for hundreds of years because you're a sore loser.

I must have missed it all the allegations of fraud have been proven wrong in the court?

[discostu]

Trump's brand is too important for him to truly embarrass himself in a long, drawn attempt to merely prove himself wrong.

He knows this.

He's using his standard bag of tricks, lawyers and bluster.

He wants to save face, so this is that tantrum.

It's sad, but expected.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

I must have missed it all the allegations of fraud have been proven wrong in the court?

We're also missing the evidence of fraud at this point.

So there's that.

[Onepocketj]

So fitting

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

I think it will grow, as I do think he'll start some sort of media company and his followers not only won't go anywhere, but they'll grow.

Especially with him no longer under the constraints of the Presidency in regards to what he can say or do (not that it stopped him much already), he'll be able to really go off the deep end his people will eat it up, as that's what they love about him.

I guess we shall see, but i will say as much as ive supported him I hope not.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by discostu

We're also missing the evidence of fraud at this point.

So there's that.

You're right and dont know if its all true but to automatically discount it as him be a sore loser I don't think is right either?

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

You're right and dont know if its all true but to automatically discount it as him be a sore loser I don't think is right either?

Well when they showed up to court with an unsigned post-it note as their evidence, it didn't take the judge long to throw out the first case.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

Well when they showed up to court with an unsigned post-it note as their evidence, it didn't take the judge long to throw out the first case.

Ok. With that i'm out.

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

Ok. With that i'm out.

I don't blame you. It's pretty amazing really.

[ucLAkers]

Why are the Trumpers here in Phoenix driving around with their flags at half mass?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I don't blame you. It's pretty amazing really.

Do you happen to have a link because i cant find what you are talking about

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by ucLAkers

Why are the Trumpers here in Phoenix driving around with their flags at half mass?

I can't tell if that's a joke or not, but it really would be funny if they were

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

You're right and dont know if its all true but to automatically discount it as him be a sore loser I don't think is right either?

It's really a dizzying theory to leap into wide swathes of fraud.

For the Democrats to unleash such a coordinated assault on our democracy to only take the presidency, while losing seats in the House and to not even gain expected seats in the Senate.

That's precise. And precisely dumb.

It's a theory. And maybe there's something nefarious out there. But it's not strong.

So until we start seeing actual evidence (not internet randoms selling ads and clicks), I'll remain skeptical.

Of course, Trump has every right to pursue whatever he wants. I'd fight like hell to keep this job too. Seems like some rough seas ahead as a "former president."