Giannis "The Greak Freak" Antetokounmpo Thread

[smalltown]

Originally Posted by tjforce

1. Exquisite RPA-[/B] Mother of all Giannis rookies

You mean NT.

I can't argue with your list too much. Everyone's is going to be different. I'd kinda Lump parallels together. So like Prizm and then there being different levels within that.

I think the Hoops Base needs to be on the list as well. A low end brand holds a lot of importance for a lot of people and a much lower entry point.

[smalltown]

Just realized another Immaculate Giannis Premium Patch ends tonite. Should be interesting to see where it ends with the last two doing between 15.5-16K.

I know it's not as sought after as the regular RPA. But i like it so much more.

[Andr3000]

I threw a bid out on a Pinnacle PSA 9 at 7:00 central time yesterday, just before the game. One of those you don’t expect to win…got it for $82 shipped. I like that card for the lower end base RC’s, and the black border makes it a fairly tough one to grade.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by smalltown

You mean NT.

I can't argue with your list too much. Everyone's is going to be different. I'd kinda Lump parallels together. So like Prizm and then there being different levels within that.

I think the Hoops Base needs to be on the list as well. A low end brand holds a lot of importance for a lot of people and a much lower entry point.

Haha Edited.... I made this list before breakfast, so I stand by it 0% upon review after I get some food in me.

But yea, there's 100 different ways you could come up with criteria for this list.

I cut it off before the low end base stuff, but you could put Hoops and Prizm high up on the list depending on what you are going after.

[tmar214]

I had a redemption for a 2012 exquisite giannis auto which was never signed. They replaced it years later. Odd how that worked out since he signed for UD the next year and has signed for card companies consistently since.

I’ve always thought the 2013 exquisite giannis auto was the exquisite card to own. So few on card autos for giannis as a rookie.

Other overlooked cards for the list would be:

preferred prime silhouette
Select silvers and other parallels
Gold standard jersey/patch auto (only full sig on card rpa)
Flawless auto
NT international auto


Edit: I always find the next day auto to be a tricky card to value. It’s bounced around different products which has hurt it and is likely the most trimmed high value card of 2013.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by tjforce

League not doing the Bucks any favors, that's for sure.

My guess is that Giannis was playing Game 7 if it happened. At least he gets another day.

Interesting thing looking at the schedule: After Game 2, the rest between games is 2 days off until Game 7.

It might make sense to sit him game 1 just so he doesn't have to go back at it in Game 2 with just 1 day rest.

I'll take it even farther than that.

Sit him in Game 1 no matter how he feels. They won 2 in a row without him (and convincingly), Middleton and Holiday are balling and the Suns might have a bit of rust.

If they lose, play him in Game 2 if he's healthy. If they win? Sit him again. I think without Giannis, the best the Bucks can do is go home one a piece. And with him getting 2 weeks of rest, I'll take the Bucks in a 5 game series with HC advantage.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

You might see some of those takes. But those are stupid, and anyone with half a brain knows that. The Bucks without Giannis are not a Finals team. Even the Bucks with Giannis aren’t a Finals team. They had good fortune that Harden, Kyrie, and Embiid got hurt. If the Bucks win it all, that won’t matter for his hobby trajectory assuming he’s able to get on the court.

One of these things is not like the others.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

One of these things is not like the others.

Yea...


Hard to understand how Embiid missing 1 game in round 1 (in which the 76ers won) discredits the Bucks getting to the Finals.

By that logic, it's time to take away Jordan's 1997 Title because Patrick Ewing missed a game vs the Miami Heat in round 2.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Yea...


Hard to understand how Embiid missing 1 game in round 1 (in which the 76ers won) discredits the Bucks getting to the Finals.

By that logic, it's time to take away Jordan's 1997 Title because Patrick Ewing missed a game vs the Miami Heat in round 2.

He's just pissed because his #1 came in to the season looking like Fat Elvis and everything else was blamed on Kristaps and Carlisle.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Yea...


Hard to understand how Embiid missing 1 game in round 1 (in which the 76ers won) discredits the Bucks getting to the Finals.

By that logic, it's time to take away Jordan's 1997 Title because Patrick Ewing missed a game vs the Miami Heat in round 2.

Are you saying that with a 100% healthy Embiid, the Sixers would have still lost to the Hawks? I definitely thought the Sixers were the better team of them and the Bucks before Embiid got hurt.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

He's just pissed because his #1 came in to the season looking like Fat Elvis and everything else was blamed on Kristaps and Carlisle.

Hahah.. I've never heard that one before... I'm dying.

[Ferg1945]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Hahah.. I've never heard that one before... I'm dying.

This was Luka at the beginning of the season.

Twins?

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by Ferg1945

This was Luka at the beginning of the season.

Twins?

Looks likelate stage Elvis...Balls like 1980's Prince!

[2010GBPackers]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I'm not the expert in this card... so if anyone here knows more than I, feel free to chime in....

But to the best of my knowledge there are only 99 copies with no parallels, no autos, etc.

It's not the perfect card... Called '2012 Exquisite' despite being released Nov 19, 2013... so a very late entry into the 2012 sets. Regardless, why it stands out a bit to me is the 99 copies with no parallels.


As for where it fits in the Giannis rookie card importance (non 1-1s)? Let me take a quick stab at my rankings here... don't crucify me if I'm off... a lot of you probably know more than I so I'd love to hear feedback:

1. NT RPA- Mother of all Giannis rookies
2. Prizm Gold- IMO the Panini era is defined by 3 things: NT RPA and Prizm Gold being at the top of the list
3. Prizm Silver- Yes, very high on the list. But IMO, if Giannis can win a title and take the 'best player on the planet' title, then this card becomes the most important Prizm Silver made (yes, jumping the 2012 LeBron and the 3 copies I own). Low print run a major driver here.
4. Immaculate RPA- Kind of low, I know.... but it's his second best RPA and just less recognizable than the Prizm
5. Immaculate Variation- Probably interchangeable with 4
6. Next Day Auto- Again, higher than most would put this card, but his first card in an NBA uniform, his first auto, only 100 copies. I still think these are the underrated cards of this era, even tho a Steph Curry PSA 'authentic' recently sold for $30k
7. Flawless Base- I had a chance to buy one of these about a year ago. I held off, just because I think the ultra limited nature of these base card might actually hurt it's appeal (as backwards as it sounds). Still a great card.
8. 2012 Exquisite- Has an XRC vibe to it.

Anyways... im sure I'm forgetting stuff... feel free to chime in and disagree... this was just an off the cuff list.

Somewhere in this list needs to be the Select silver - a rarer and better looking card, IMO when compared to the Prizm.

and

Titanium /34 - another better looking card than the Prizm, IMO.

I'm big on aesthetics and eye appeal and the picture used for the Prizm RC leaves much to be desired. What really sucks is 2013 Prizm is my favorite Prizm design, but it's much better for the vets than the rookies. Also, 2013 NT is the worst NT design of all-time. That is a fact.

[deemsterz33]

Originally Posted by tjforce

I'm not the expert in this card... so if anyone here knows more than I, feel free to chime in....

But to the best of my knowledge there are only 99 copies with no parallels, no autos, etc.

It's not the perfect card... Called '2012 Exquisite' despite being released Nov 19, 2013... so a very late entry into the 2012 sets. Regardless, why it stands out a bit to me is the 99 copies with no parallels.


As for where it fits in the Giannis rookie card importance (non 1-1s)? Let me take a quick stab at my rankings here... don't crucify me if I'm off... a lot of you probably know more than I so I'd love to hear feedback:

1. NT RPA- Mother of all Giannis rookies
2. Prizm Gold- IMO the Panini era is defined by 3 things: NT RPA and Prizm Gold being at the top of the list
3. Prizm Silver- Yes, very high on the list. But IMO, if Giannis can win a title and take the 'best player on the planet' title, then this card becomes the most important Prizm Silver made (yes, jumping the 2012 LeBron and the 3 copies I own). Low print run a major driver here.
4. Immaculate RPA- Kind of low, I know.... but it's his second best RPA and just less recognizable than the Prizm
5. Immaculate Variation- Probably interchangeable with 4
6. Next Day Auto- Again, higher than most would put this card, but his first card in an NBA uniform, his first auto, only 100 copies. I still think these are the underrated cards of this era, even tho a Steph Curry PSA 'authentic' recently sold for $30k
7. Flawless Base- I had a chance to buy one of these about a year ago. I held off, just because I think the ultra limited nature of these base card might actually hurt it's appeal (as backwards as it sounds). Still a great card.
8. 2012 Exquisite- Has an XRC vibe to it.

Anyways... im sure I'm forgetting stuff... feel free to chime in and disagree... this was just an off the cuff list.

I had a quad 9.5 Exquisite, sold it a few years back and used the $$ to replace it with a Red Prizm 9.5. Still very happy with that decision, as I perspnally don't like unlicensed product.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by smalltown

Just realized another Immaculate Giannis Premium Patch ends tonite. Should be interesting to see where it ends with the last two doing between 15.5-16K.

I know it's not as sought after as the regular RPA. But i like it so much more.

Unreal. No more bids, I didn’t even try because of the range you mentioned. Also didn’t feel comfortable spending that much on an ungraded copy. Who would keep a card like that in raw form this many years? I mean I just recently graded my Klay RPA but have no plans on selling it either

[Beavers98]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Unreal. No more bids, I didn’t even try because of the range you mentioned. Also didn’t feel comfortable spending that much on an ungraded copy. Who would keep a card like that in raw form this many years? I mean I just recently graded my Klay RPA but have no plans on selling it either

Why does everyone think you have to grade Everything. Definitely a new phenonomenon with the Covid Boom. I have graded cards, but 5 Giannis RC Autos left. None are graded. OMG...

[YourAvgSutton]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Unreal. No more bids, I didn’t even try because of the range you mentioned. Also didn’t feel comfortable spending that much on an ungraded copy. Who would keep a card like that in raw form this many years? I mean I just recently graded my Klay RPA but have no plans on selling it either

With higher-end I only buy graded unless the card is brand new. Everyone grades everything so unless there’s a story behind it as to why it wasn’t (guy pulled it, never grades, etc.) I always pass. This card was no exception. Plus, the corners/edges were brutal. I imagine that landing around a BGS 8 at best if submitted.

[YourAvgSutton]

Originally Posted by Beavers98

Why does everyone think you have to grade Everything. Definitely a new phenonomenon with the Covid Boom. I have graded cards, but 5 Giannis RC Autos left. None are graded. OMG...

I simply need higher-end cards to be graded because I want to know exactly what I’m buying. As I mentioned in my last comment, everyone seemingly grades everything these days (last few years at least). Because of that, unless it’s a brand new release or there’s a story behind it (such as yours), I assume there’s a reason raw high-end cards are left that way.

This isn’t a Covid-boom phenomenon either, at least for me. I’ve always had that mentality.

If I’m spending $5,10,15k+, I want it to have been reviewed by a third party. I don’t believe that’s such a crazy ask.

[Beavers98]

Originally Posted by YourAvgSutton

I simply need higher-end cards to be graded because I want to know exactly what I’m buying. As I mentioned in my last comment, everyone seemingly grades everything these days (last few years at least). Because of that, unless it’s a brand new release or there’s a story behind it (such as yours), I assume there’s a reason raw high-end cards are left that way.

This isn’t a Covid-boom phenomenon either, at least for me. I’ve always had that mentality.

If I’m spending $5,10,15k+, I want it to have been reviewed by a third party. I don’t believe that’s such a crazy ask.

Sure and I know I've left some money on the table. Yeah grading has been around for decades, but it's been nuts since covid, hence the shutdowns and I do have graded cards, but I'm sure many would be shocked how many 9, 9.5, 10 cards I've cracked for my Auto Collection, where none are except ones that needed authentication (IP Autos) My RC's that are graded usually stay that way though.

[titletowncards]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Are you saying that with a 100% healthy Embiid, the Sixers would have still lost to the Hawks? I definitely thought the Sixers were the better team of them and the Bucks before Embiid got hurt.

No way, Bucks would have handled the Sixers.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by YourAvgSutton

I simply need higher-end cards to be graded because I want to know exactly what I’m buying. As I mentioned in my last comment, everyone seemingly grades everything these days (last few years at least). Because of that, unless it’s a brand new release or there’s a story behind it (such as yours), I assume there’s a reason raw high-end cards are left that way.

This isn’t a Covid-boom phenomenon either, at least for me. I’ve always had that mentality.

If I’m spending $5,10,15k+, I want it to have been reviewed by a third party. I don’t believe that’s such a crazy ask.

Exactly. If I'm spending thousands of dollars on a piece of cardboard, the last thing I want to do is try and make my own determination of the condition of the card via 2 photos taken with someone's phone. That card was definitely beat up, and only two pics so you can't even see the extent of damage to the corners and surface. My search for a Giannis Immac goes on, but kinda good to see the prices keep falling into a more reasonable price range

Originally Posted by Beavers98

Why does everyone think you have to grade Everything. Definitely a new phenonomenon with the Covid Boom. I have graded cards, but 5 Giannis RC Autos left. None are graded. OMG...

If they're for your PC, or you don't care how much you get when you sell them, that's fine. But if you want me to spend 10 grand on your card, you should spend the $250 or whatever to get it graded. As I mentioned in my previous post, I didn't grade some old PC cards I had until recently because A) I wanted to stick them in my vault and B) if anything happens to me, I want my family to be able to enjoy the full value of my collection and not get ripped off or have to guess what the value is.

[escapegoat]

sorry wrong thread!

[jerrygarcia]

Going to sell one card during the finals, which would you part with?

Prizm Rookie BGS 9
Prizm Rookie BGS 9.5 True Gem w/10
Hoops PSA 10
Hoops BGS 9.5 GEM True Gem w/10
Select BGS 9

[rudyjustinfarrell]

Just for variety sake I would get rid of the prizm base.

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