The Official 2023 NFC North Thread

[Grid]

Originally Posted by packman80

I think you could make a legit discussion for GB at WR. GB has had Hutson, Lofton, Sharpe, Jennings, Nelson, Adams as top guys. I will give that MN has had the best WR in the NFC Central/North history in Moss.

If Lofton didn't spend so many years away from Green Bay, as he had great success in Buffalo, you'd have more of an argument. But he is shared player now, like Woodson.

Sharpe didn't play long enough, Jennings & Nelson wont sniff the Hall. But Adams does make it interesting. But he is done adding Packer stats. Where as Justin Jefferson is just getting started in Minnesota.

Cris Carter did have (way) more yards/TDs in MN, than any of those guys had. And Moss is on the 100 greatest list (but so is Hudson).

I am still voting Moss/Carter, with what Justin Jefferson is doing, pushing their WR Corp just above.

But if we want to vote the Vikings out of another column, I'm down!

[packman80]

Will be interesting what MN does with Jefferson. I am am his agent I am wanting something like 5 years $200 million with $100 million at signing and the lowest I let him sign for is 5 years $175 million with $80-90 at signing. Jefferson will make $80-85 million if he ended up playing his 5 year option and 2 FT years so would make sense if MN gave him the 5 years $175 million deal as that way they control him for few more years beyond the FT years.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Grid

If Lofton didn't spend so many years away from Green Bay, as he had great success in Buffalo, you'd have more of an argument. But he is shared player now, like Woodson.

Sharpe didn't play long enough, Jennings & Nelson wont sniff the Hall. But Adams does make it interesting. But he is done adding Packer stats. Where as Justin Jefferson is just getting started in Minnesota.

Cris Carter did have (way) more yards/TDs in MN, than any of those guys had. And Moss is on the 100 greatest list (but so is Hudson).

I am still voting Moss/Carter, with what Justin Jefferson is doing, pushing their WR Corp just above.

But if we want to vote the Vikings out of another column, I'm down!

Sharpe IMO you can put in same way as Megatron. Megatron did not play that long but was put into the HOF. Sharpe was top 3 in the NFL during his time. Had he not busted his neck he would have been a HOF lock. Jefferson never know could be same way he could have injury cut short his career. Carter and Moss both those guys had split careers so not not like they played all career in MN.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by packman80

Sharpe IMO you can put in same way as Megatron. Megatron did not play that long but was put into the HOF. Sharpe was top 3 in the NFL during his time. Had he not busted his neck he would have been a HOF lock. Jefferson never know could be same way he could have injury cut short his career. Carter and Moss both those guys had split careers so not not like they played all career in MN.

Lets not put Sharpe's 8100 yards and 65 TD's VS Megatron's 11,200 yards and 83 TD's. Yes, both had shorter careers. But Calvin was clearly better. And his Gold Jacket proves as much.

Carter logged 12,383 yards + 110 TD's as a Viking.
Moss logged 9,316 yards + 92 TD's as a Viking.

Yes, they both played on other teams at times. But by far their totals and accolades were wearing purple. Far from saying they had split careers.

[Viking6]

Originally Posted by packman80

Will be interesting what MN does with Jefferson. I am am his agent I am wanting something like 5 years $200 million with $100 million at signing and the lowest I let him sign for is 5 years $175 million with $80-90 at signing. Jefferson will make $80-85 million if he ended up playing his 5 year option and 2 FT years so would make sense if MN gave him the 5 years $175 million deal as that way they control him for few more years beyond the FT years.

I don't think it will be quite that bad... That would be quite the jump from Tyreek which is already kind of an anomaly.

I am expecting something along the lines of 5/150 with 80-100 of a gtd. He will probably then just restructure 3-4 years into the deal to whatever the current top paid WRs are making in deals signed in 2026/2027.

It would be tough for the NFL in general to watch Jefferson get over 35 million a season as then Chase is going to want 36-38 etc etc

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Grid

Lets not put Sharpe's 8100 yards and 65 TD's VS Megatron's 11,200 yards and 83 TD's. Yes, both had shorter careers. But Calvin was clearly better. And his Gold Jacket proves as much.

Carter logged 12,383 yards + 110 TD's as a Viking.
Moss logged 9,316 yards + 92 TD's as a Viking.

Yes, they both played on other teams at times. But by far their totals and accolades were wearing purple. Far from saying they had split careers.

Sharpe also had pretty crappy QBs throwing to him. He had only a couple years of a very young Favre before he got hurt.

[hairysasquatch]

Fortunately for Lions fans, our relatively rancid retrospective record relieves us of much in the way of reminiscence.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

Fortunately for Lions fans, our relatively rancid retrospective record relieves us of much in the way of reminiscence.

The Moore/Perriman/Morton were a fine stable of WRs to remember fondly. Oh hey, Johnnie Morton ended his career with the 49ers! Another one for the list!!

[Grid]

Originally Posted by packman80

Sharpe also had pretty crappy QBs throwing to him. He had only a couple years of a very young Favre before he got hurt.

No way, the Majik-man was pretty awesome! He went All Pro, Pro Bowl and lead the league in passing before. Plus, that sweet sweet mullet!



And for the record. I think Sharpe was very good. Just not enough to tip the scales on this one. After all, he was born in Chicago!

[TheFrenzy]

What if the Lions had won all of those Super Bowls instead of the Patriots?

[Grid]

Originally Posted by jplarson

The Moore/Perriman/Morton were a fine stable of WRs to remember fondly. Oh hey, Johnnie Morton ended his career with the 49ers! Another one for the list!!

[Grid]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

What if the Lions had won all of those Super Bowls instead of the Patriots?

We would all be chasing Joey Harrington cards!

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Grid

No way, the Majik-man was pretty awesome! He went All Pro, Pro Bowl and lead the league in passing before. Plus, that sweet sweet mullet!



And for the record. I think Sharpe was very good. Just not enough to tip the scales on this one. After all, he was born in Chicago!

Tony Romo graduated high school in Burlington, WI. That makes you a peripheral Packer pumper! You retroactively ROOT for the 1996/1997 Packers!

Also yes, Don Majkowski was awesome for a year and nearly stole Montana's bacon.... and also played for the Lions.

[jplarson]

Which WR deserved HoF entry based on this 7-year stretch run?

Player A: 106 Games, 599-8332-57 Rec-Yards-TDs, 13.9 YPC, 3x All Pro, 4x Pro Bowl
Player B: 112 Games, 595-8134-64 Rec-Yards-TDs, 13.7 YPC, 3x All Pro, 5x Pro Bowl


What if I told you one of them is Hall of Very Good Sterling Sharpe and the other one is Herman Moore? And that Herman Moore once set the NFL record for most catches in a season? And Moore did it with these Throwers of the Football tossing him passes: Rodney Peete, Andre Ware, Erik Kramer (future former Bear), Scott Mitchell, Dave Krieg (future former Bear), Don Majkowski (broken down version of Sharpe's QB), Frank Reich, and Charlie Batch?

What if I told you all that?

Sharpe doesn't get in until there's noise for Herman Moore.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Which WR deserved HoF entry based on this 7-year stretch run?

Player A: 106 Games, 599-8332-57 Rec-Yards-TDs, 13.9 YPC, 3x All Pro, 4x Pro Bowl
Player B: 112 Games, 595-8134-64 Rec-Yards-TDs, 13.7 YPC, 3x All Pro, 5x Pro Bowl


What if I told you one of them is Hall of Very Good Sterling Sharpe and the other one is Herman Moore? And that Herman Moore once set the NFL record for most catches in a season? And Moore did it with these Throwers of the Football tossing him passes: Rodney Peete, Andre Ware, Erik Kramer (future former Bear), Scott Mitchell, Dave Krieg (future former Bear), Don Majkowski (broken down version of Sharpe's QB), Frank Reich, and Charlie Batch?

What if I told you all that?

Sharpe doesn't get in until there's noise for Herman Moore.

That's the thing - we had Herman, Barry, and Calvin but never capitalized on them. Front office was horribly managed for 50 years. That's why we never look back!

[Grid]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Which WR deserved HoF entry based on this 7-year stretch run?

Player A: 106 Games, 599-8332-57 Rec-Yards-TDs, 13.9 YPC, 3x All Pro, 4x Pro Bowl
Player B: 112 Games, 595-8134-64 Rec-Yards-TDs, 13.7 YPC, 3x All Pro, 5x Pro Bowl


What if I told you one of them is Hall of Very Good Sterling Sharpe and the other one is Herman Moore? And that Herman Moore once set the NFL record for most catches in a season? And Moore did it with these Throwers of the Football tossing him passes: Rodney Peete, Andre Ware, Erik Kramer (future former Bear), Scott Mitchell, Dave Krieg (future former Bear), Don Majkowski (broken down version of Sharpe's QB), Frank Reich, and Charlie Batch?

What if I told you all that?

Sharpe doesn't get in until there's noise for Herman Moore.

You didn't list which one of those 2 lead the league in receptions 50% more times. One also lead the league in yards, the other never did. Or that one lead the league in Touchdowns, twice, and the other zero.

Add some weight to your stats.

But even that would just show which was better than the other. But not which one deserves HOF entry. As both were sniffing Jerry Rice's jock at the time. And were still behind the likes of their contemporaries, such as Cris Carter. or had the post season success of Art Monk, Michael Irvin and Andre Reed.

Herman Moore is #66 on the list for most yards. Sharpe is #106. Neither will ever be a Hall of Famer.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Grid

Neither will ever be a Hall of Famer.

Agreed!

[Grid]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Agreed!

Just don't let the other kids in here know, that leaves the Bears as the only NFC North/Central team without a WR in the Hall of Fame.

If news got out, that our WR game has mostly been weak. The other kids in here will make fun of us!

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Grid

Just don't let the other kids in here know, that leaves the Bears as the only NFC North/Central team without a WR in the Hall of Fame.

If news got out, that our WR game has mostly been weak. The other kids in here will make fun of us!

I still enjoy my collection of Alshon Jeffery cards and jerseys (Game away, Limited home, Game Pro Bowl /w logo patch, and Eagles Game home Super Bowl /w logo patch). The Pro Bowl is by far my favorite-ist one.

He helped my fandom recover from the loss of Johnny Knox.

[Grid]

Fun Fact.

The last team not named Bears/Packers/Vikings to win the NFC North/Central was.... The Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That was in 1999.

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by jplarson

Which WR deserved HoF entry based on this 7-year stretch run?

Player A: 106 Games, 599-8332-57 Rec-Yards-TDs, 13.9 YPC, 3x All Pro, 4x Pro Bowl
Player B: 112 Games, 595-8134-64 Rec-Yards-TDs, 13.7 YPC, 3x All Pro, 5x Pro Bowl


What if I told you one of them is Hall of Very Good Sterling Sharpe and the other one is Herman Moore? And that Herman Moore once set the NFL record for most catches in a season? And Moore did it with these Throwers of the Football tossing him passes: Rodney Peete, Andre Ware, Erik Kramer (future former Bear), Scott Mitchell, Dave Krieg (future former Bear), Don Majkowski (broken down version of Sharpe's QB), Frank Reich, and Charlie Batch?

What if I told you all that?

Sharpe doesn't get in until there's noise for Herman Moore.

Ha, Ha!! I loved Herman Moore. He was every bit as good as Irvin, Sharpe and his contemporaries for a short run. Injuries did him in and he never recovered. Agree, Sharpe and Moore won't and shouldn't make the HOF. Still doesn't mean they weren't great players for a time.

[Grid]

Page 2 again? Slackers!

Here is your reminder, that the late great John F Kennedy has only missed one Lions Playoff win...

[hairysasquatch]

I am in Chicago for a wedding- going down to Lincoln Park in Lions gear to pass out leaflets on why the Bears suck.

[49erRCCollector]

I met Johnnie Morton on a job interview when I first got to LA. Funny story. But he was really cool, talked football with me. Shocked me that we had similar builds. I had thought he’d be bigger.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by hairysasquatch

I am in Chicago for a wedding- going down to Lincoln Park in Lions gear to pass out leaflets on why the Bears suck.

This would be hilarious! If you were dressed in Packers colors, I can see some people getting mad. But doing so in your Lions wear, is just so adorable!

Make sure your shirt shows how many NFC North titles the Lions have won. Oh, and how many Super Bowls!