2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by discostu

So you think the Federal government should step into national voting...which the Constitution leaves as a state right?

Voting is a state issue. Trump (and the federal government) has no leverage without a Constitutional Amendment.

Good luck with that.

Where did I say that the powers should be taken away from the states? You can update the system while still leaving the system with the states. We are voting like it is still 1950. Again, I see absolutely zero reason why anyone would be against that. Fighting to keep a broken voting mechanism is what feeds the conspiracy theorists. Do some want to keep it broken so it can be manipulated? I have no idea what any logical reason would be. Please enlighten me if I am missing something.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Fox News during the day is reasonable.

Is your remote broken or lost?


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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by discostu

So you think the Federal government should step into national voting...which the Constitution leaves as a state right?



Voting is a state issue. Trump (and the federal government) has no leverage without a Constitutional Amendment.



Good luck with that.

After the last few fiasco elections you don't think there's ways, let alone a need, to make improvements?

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

You must think you're pretty special to see hostility in what I typed.
Not hostile at all.
Fact is, a mandate is not the same as a law.

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Sure. Okay.

We have a mandate. The police department around here enforces it. If you are in a place where it is mandated and not wearing a mask, a police officer may give you a ticket. I think it's $155. If you still don't do it, that police officer could decide to take you to jail.

Maybe that's different where you are. Idk.

Here, that's the way it is. They wrote plenty of tickets back in April/May. I'm not sure if anyone was arrested. If so, I didn't hear about it.

Mandate, law, whatever you want to call it is irrelevant. It was being enforced.

Again, maybe it's different where you are. Idk.

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[premium1981]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

How bad is the economy right now?

I mean, I'm not really a part of it anymore. I can't really see it from here.

I'm sure some people are hurting. But that's always true. Are a ton more hurting? Do we need another stimulus?

Unemployment isn't horrible right now, is it? I'm sure it's worse than it was a year ago, but is it worse than in 2008?

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Thats a loaded question that can be attacked by either side.

COVID would destroy any economy with any president in the white house. The question would be what did the economy look like right before it happened, and what will the economy look like during a recovery. Right now we only know one of those answers.

[yanksfan1]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

That's pretty funny. I wonder if that's ever been done before.

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John James also completed this feat this year in Michigan. He lost in 2018 to Debbie Stabenow.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Thats a loaded question that can be attacked by either side.

COVID would destroy any economy with any president in the white house. The question would be what did the economy look like right before it happened, and what will the economy look like during a recovery. Right now we only know one of those answers.

South Korea was able to handle Covid and keep their economy.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by premium1981

If anyone did anything a recovery was happening. That is my point. You are saying all 8 years of Obama was Obama's. And all 4 years of Trump was Obama's. That is illogical. So again, with that logic, after COVID when things improve, the economy recovery will all be Trumps. Not Biden's. Right?

Your point is still based on hindsight, and that's it. But you're also putting words into my mouth... I didn't say all 4 years was Obama's. Let me refresh your memory: "the pre-covid economy was Trump's that was built off of Obama's"

I'll put that into more specific words for you. Trump built his economy, which used the foundation of Obama's. Just like you think Obama had nowhere to go but up, your 7 year old could have kept the momentum going from 2016 through 2019 - to Trump's credit he could have ruined it by declaring some stupid war, but he didn't.

Lastly, you are correct! Biden is inheriting an economy that should go up as long as he doesn't muck it up.

You're still trying to make an argument that isn't an argument because nothing is incorrect.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Thats a loaded question that can be attacked by either side.



COVID would destroy any economy with any president in the white house. The question would be what did the economy look like right before it happened, and what will the economy look like during a recovery. Right now we only know one of those answers.

Sure.

I guess I was just curious about the state of the economy right now as opposed to other times in recent history.

I'm sure some businesses are hurting. Others are booming. I suppose I could do some research on it all, but I was just being lazy and asking you, lol.

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[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Sure. Okay.

We have a mandate. The police department around here enforces it. If you are in a place where it is mandated and not wearing a mask, a police officer may give you a ticket. I think it's $155. If you still don't do it, that police officer could decide to take you to jail.

Maybe that's different where you are. Idk.

Here, that's the way it is. They wrote plenty of tickets back in April/May. I'm not sure if anyone was arrested. If so, I didn't hear about it.

Mandate, law, whatever you want to call it is irrelevant. It was being enforced.

Again, maybe it's different where you are. Idk.

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There has not been 1 single ticket issued here in Omaha Nebraska since mask mandate was issued nearly 2 months ago. So it is definitely different in each area.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

John James also completed this feat this year in Michigan. He lost in 2018 to Debbie Stabenow.

Wowsers.

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Sure. Okay.

We have a mandate. The police department around here enforces it. If you are in a place where it is mandated and not wearing a mask, a police officer may give you a ticket. I think it's $155. If you still don't do it, that police officer could decide to take you to jail.

Maybe that's different where you are. Idk.

Here, that's the way it is. They wrote plenty of tickets back in April/May. I'm not sure if anyone was arrested. If so, I didn't hear about it.

Mandate, law, whatever you want to call it is irrelevant. It was being enforced.

Again, maybe it's different where you are. Idk.

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Where I live masks are required to enter certain stores. I know personally because I tested it, that all I had to do is tell the person at the door I had a medical condition and could not wear a mask. The 4 different businesses I tested this at had no problem at all and let me in. I can't imagine anyone receiving a ticket and not being able to get out of it.
For the record, other than those 4 times I wear a mask where it is ask of me.

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[premium1981]

Originally Posted by mattglet

Lastly, you are correct! Biden is inheriting an economy that should go up as long as he doesn't muck it up.

Just making sure I understand correctly. So you are saying the post COVID recovery will be Trump's?

[discostu]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Where did I say that the powers should be taken away from the states? You can update the system while still leaving the system with the states. We are voting like it is still 1950. Again, I see absolutely zero reason why anyone would be against that. Fighting to keep a broken voting mechanism is what feeds the conspiracy theorists. Do some want to keep it broken so it can be manipulated? I have no idea what any logical reason would be. Please enlighten me if I am missing something.

Originally Posted by Astros19

After the last few fiasco elections you don't think there's ways, let alone a need, to make improvements?

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Improvements can be made, and are being made.

This happens all of the time...at the state and lower levels.

Sometimes the decisions are terrible and add to the problem. See Pennsylvania's decision to not allow the counting on the mail-in ballots until after the election.

All in all, people seem to be unaware that states all have different rules regarding elections. We were told here in this thread that there are federal rules regarding federal elections that states were beholden to...that is not the case. Never was the case.

Lobby your local and state officials to modernize, to enfranchise, to simplify the process.

Done.

But this isn't a federal issue. It's not even an issue with most states. Pennsylvania made their own bed...and the country was completely misled.

But, let's not neglect that there was intent for what happened in Pennsylvania. Trump wanted this scenario, he wanted to declare fraud and corruption about the voting process.

A perfectly legal process.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

South Korea was able to handle Covid and keep their economy.

Just to put things into perspective, there are 195 countries in our world.
America-bad
South Korea-good
Any info on the other 193 countries?

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

There has not been 1 single ticket issued here in Omaha Nebraska since mask mandate was issued nearly 2 months ago. So it is definitely different in each area.

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That makes sense.

I think it has even been different here than in other parts of our state.

I know, for example, our governor declared tickets illegal. Our mayor decided to defy him and ordered our police to keep writing them. Then they went to court and the state judges told Miami that we can't collect the fines. Our mayor still ordered police to keep writing them and vowed to collect the fines after he won an appeal.

So yeah, it makes sense that it's different everywhere.

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[mattglet]

Originally Posted by premium1981

Just making sure I understand correctly. So you are saying the post COVID recovery will be Trump's?

I am saying that the economy will be Biden's built off of what he's inheriting - a down economy that is the fault of covid. If you want to call the ownership of the current economy "Trump's", ok.

What Biden does with it will be seen over the next [insert however long he's president].

[premium1981]

Originally Posted by mattglet

I am saying that the economy will be Biden's built off of what he's inheriting - a down economy that is the fault of covid. If you want to call the ownership of the current economy "Trump's", ok.

What Biden does with it will be seen over the next [insert however long he's president].

That is what I was thinking. It would be "Biden's built off of what he inherited". But when referencing Trump, it was Obama's. Not "Trump's built off of what he inherited". Just confirming the double standard. I thought that was where you were going but wanted to make sure.

All of the good economy pre-COVID was Obama. All of the good economy post-COVID will be Biden. At least you are giving the COVID months to Trump. That is kind.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by discostu

Improvements can be made, and are being made.



This happens all of the time...at the state and lower levels.



Sometimes the decisions are terrible and add to the problem. See Pennsylvania's decision to not allow the counting on the mail-in ballots until after the election.



All in all, people seem to be unaware that states all have different rules regarding elections. We were told here in this thread that there are federal rules regarding federal elections that states were beholden to...that is not the case. Never was the case.



Lobby your local and state officials to modernize, to enfranchise, to simplify the process.



Done.



But this isn't a federal issue. It's not even an issue with most states. Pennsylvania made their own bed...and the country was completely misled.



But, let's not neglect that there was intent for what happened in Pennsylvania. Trump wanted this scenario, he wanted to declare fraud and corruption about the voting process.



A perfectly legal process.

Maybe I missed it but I'm pretty sure you're the only one brought up the federal government.

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[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Just to put things into perspective, there are 195 countries in our world.
America-bad
South Korea-good
Any info on the other 193 countries?

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Covid doesn't care about boundaries, ideology, race or creed.

So, why has South Korea been rather successful when all the rest of us have failed?
I will say this - Trump did get us to win the Covid sweepstakes!

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

South Korea was able to handle Covid and keep their economy.

That's because South Korea isn't filled with selfish, stupid idiots who would rather listen to a conman than science.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Where I live masks are required to enter certain stores. I know personally because I tested it, that all I had to do is tell the person at the door I had a medical condition and could not wear a mask. The 4 different businesses I tested this at had no problem at all and let me in. I can't imagine anyone receiving a ticket and not being able to get out of it.
For the record, other than those 4 times I wear a mask where it is ask of me.

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What is the basis of the requirements? I mean, who is requiring it and through what mechanism?

Is it a city mandate or is it the stores themselves, or???

I'm glad people are concerned, regardless of the mechanism, and I applaud your responsible behavior.

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[Fratboy]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

That's because South Korea isn't filled with selfish, stupid idiots who would rather listen to a conman than science.

The South Korean population looks out, for one another.
The American population couldn't care less, for their fellow citizens.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

That's because South Korea isn't filled with selfish, stupid idiots who would rather listen to a conman than science.

It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him.

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[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

That's because South Korea isn't filled with selfish, stupid idiots who would rather listen to a conman than science.

Again I'll ask, how are the other 193 countries doing?
Are they all listening to the same con man?

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