Bobby Witt Jr. is he legit?

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by mudder35

I'm really struggling to understand how Bobby Witt loses in a fan vote to Jacob Wilson. I get that the Royals fan base isn't exactly fired up like the Tigers might be, but I'm pretty sure the homeless A's aren't exactly lighting up the ballot box either. I also know Wilson has a better batting average, but I thought people didn't really care about average anymore and Wilson certainly isn't a slugger even though he has 9 hr's this year (and he seems more likely to end the year with 15 hr's then 20).

I just can't wrap my head around who is voting for Wilson over Witt? Bobby has a little bit of name recognition and star power, had a moment on the national stage at the hr derby, was scorching hot in the 2nd half of last year, led a historically hapless team to the postseason, and doesn't play for a broadly disliked franchise like the Yankees, Dodgers, or Astros. Wilson is a rookie contact hitter for the 2nd worst team and possibly the least recognizable roster (Miami?) in MLB. Maybe he's got a strong Instagram following that I don't know about? Someone please explain this to me.

Also, why didn't MLB reveal the voting number in final vote like they did in the initial round. Not claiming any conspiracy or anything, just thought it was weird.

Woah, woah, woah...historically hapless?!

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

remember that they let people vote online.
that's never good

I’m pretty sure Bobby could successfully be voted into the triple-A all star game online.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It’s a moment of introspection for Bobby collectors.

Give them time to challenge their hobby existence.

They must ask themselves - “am I a true Bobby collector?”

When dealing with ultra modern players, it’s always good to occasionally take a step back and evaluate where you stand with your PC guys. For me, it’s easy to keep buying Bobby. But for guys like Alec Bohm? I took a look and felt satisfied with where my Bohm collection was at and no longer feel the need to add to it. Introspection is a good thing!

[kipgen]

The pearl clutching because Bobby slightly missed the starter vote and will now suffer the indignity of being a reserve all star instead of a starting all star

Sheesh

[Biohazarddfl]

I actually thought that it is a topic worthy of discussion and glad someone brought it up. It didn't really catch my attention when it happened, but it is really impressive that Wilson got so many votes. Bobby hasn't put up enough offensive stats this season to justify him being a shoe in, so I'm not outraged in any way, but I can see where people might be coming from. Bobby still needs a few years of success before I think that is a justified outrage, though.

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[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

When dealing with ultra modern players, it’s always good to occasionally take a step back and evaluate where you stand with your PC guys. For me, it’s easy to keep buying Bobby. But for guys like Alec Bohm? I took a look and felt satisfied with where my Bohm collection was at and no longer feel the need to add to it. Introspection is a good thing!

It’s important to ask yourself - “would I still like Bobby if he went down the Rizzo/Goldschmidt/Arenado hobby pathway?”

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It’s important to ask yourself - “would I still like Bobby if he went down the Rizzo/Goldschmidt/Arenado hobby pathway?”

What does a peak bobby season look like? Something like Acuna's 40/70 year?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by kipgen

What does a peak bobby season look like? Something like Acuna's 40/70 year?

At least 50 home runs and a 10-win pitching record with an ERA less than 3.50.

[hermanotarjeta]

Hey, Bobby guys, no need to fret.

Troy Tulowotzki had been named an all-star game reserve during his career too!

[kipgen]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

At least 50 home runs and a 10-win pitching record with an ERA less than 3.50.

That's more of a Caglianone thing, no?

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by kipgen

That's more of a Caglianone thing, no?

Shhh. We don’t talk about Jac.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by JCTaylor

The people love batting average, lol.


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You should see NBA voting...

They sort candidates online by point per game average.

So if a guy is averaging 25 ppg on 41% shooting, and he gets 3 assists and 3 rebounds per game, he's going to be higher on the list than the guy scored 23 ppg on 55% shooting with 11 assists and 6 rebounds per game.

[ObanMontecristo]

It’s a good thing to have competition. Last year Gunnar, and now Wilson. If BWJ values starting in All-Star Games, then he’s incentivized to play at the highest level he can

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

It’s important to ask yourself - “would I still like Bobby if he went down the Rizzo/Goldschmidt/Arenado hobby pathway?”

It is a good question to ask! The answer is yes for me. Anyone who had a Arenado PC, with realistic expectations, should be happy with his career.

[mudder35]

Originally Posted by ObanMontecristo

You’ve asked the same question 3 times now and got a multitude of reasons. You’re the only one who doesn’t seem to get it, probably because you’re not listening, you’re convinced you’re right, and nothing will satisfy you. I get it you’re pissed. Welcome to the ASG selection process.

So, just to be clear, I'm not pissed at all. I'm not convinced that I'm right, because I was, in fact, wrong in thinking that Witt would win head to head vs Wilson for all the reasons I've mentioned. I am listening but most answers were speculation so I specifically asked for people that actually voted that way and why.

Like I said, I'm legitimately trying to understand how it happened. I can logically deduce what happened in all other cases, but not this one. Most all star votes come down to some combination of statistical dominance, star power, large market fan base, and motivated fan base. In the Wilson/Witt vote, I assumed (wrongly) it should've strongly favored Witt. I'm not surprised that anyone would vote Wilson over Witt, but I am surprised that a majority of people given a binary choice would vote that way. I like data, so I'd love to see a geographical breakdown of the final results (for all races) and that might clear things up, but we're not likely to get anything like that.

This is a discussion board and a lot of people who follow baseball discuss baseball things here. I'm not trying to argue or convince anyone to some how change the vote, but some people are acting like, by asking a question, I cut them off in traffic and flipped them the bird. I mean no personal offense to anyone. I was just trying to figure things out.

[mudder35]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Woah, woah, woah...historically hapless?!

My apologies... just my personal lived experience (minus two glorious years).


Also, my question has absolutely nothing to do with card prices but totally understand why others here may take that angle.

[Back40Life]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

remember that they let people vote online.
that's never good

Love the comment! There is truth here. Bobby to the moon!


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[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by mudder35

So, just to be clear, I'm not pissed at all. I'm not convinced that I'm right, because I was, in fact, wrong in thinking that Witt would win head to head vs Wilson for all the reasons I've mentioned. I am listening but most answers were speculation so I specifically asked for people that actually voted that way and why.

Like I said, I'm legitimately trying to understand how it happened. I can logically deduce what happened in all other cases, but not this one. Most all star votes come down to some combination of statistical dominance, star power, large market fan base, and motivated fan base. In the Wilson/Witt vote, I assumed (wrongly) it should've strongly favored Witt. I'm not surprised that anyone would vote Wilson over Witt, but I am surprised that a majority of people given a binary choice would vote that way. I like data, so I'd love to see a geographical breakdown of the final results (for all races) and that might clear things up, but we're not likely to get anything like that.

This is a discussion board and a lot of people who follow baseball discuss baseball things here. I'm not trying to argue or convince anyone to some how change the vote, but some people are acting like, by asking a question, I cut them off in traffic and flipped them the bird. I mean no personal offense to anyone. I was just trying to figure things out.

Hate to break it to you, but maybe Bobby just isn’t as well-liked across the country than we may think.

I thought it was weird too. How could such a popular hobby guy not easily win in a landslide versus a triple A no name rookie? It didn’t make sense to me either until I brought Bobby down from the hobby pedestal.

He’s just not that popular nationally. I accept it.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

I’m pretty sure Bobby could successfully be voted into the triple-A all star game online.

i wish they still had Minor League ASGs

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i wish they still had Minor League ASGs

#ThanksTopps

[tjforce]

All Star starter or not, Bobby is now up to 6th in the major leagues among position players (9th overall) in WAR.

He does all the little things well, which the casual baseball fan might not appreciate as much as the baseball nerds do.

[Back40Life]

Originally Posted by tjforce

All Star starter or not, Bobby is now up to 6th in the major leagues among position players (9th overall) in WAR.

He does all the little things well, which the casual baseball fan might not appreciate as much as the baseball nerds do.

5 tool players are hard to come by nowadays…I listen to this guy a lot.



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[Skipscards]

19/6 to go!!

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by mudder35

My apologies... just my personal lived experience (minus two glorious years).


Also, my question has absolutely nothing to do with card prices but totally understand why others here may take that angle.

[cardozo]

Originally Posted by mudder35

So, just to be clear, I'm not pissed at all. I'm not convinced that I'm right, because I was, in fact, wrong in thinking that Witt would win head to head vs Wilson for all the reasons I've mentioned. I am listening but most answers were speculation so I specifically asked for people that actually voted that way and why.

Like I said, I'm legitimately trying to understand how it happened. I can logically deduce what happened in all other cases, but not this one. Most all star votes come down to some combination of statistical dominance, star power, large market fan base, and motivated fan base. In the Wilson/Witt vote, I assumed (wrongly) it should've strongly favored Witt. I'm not surprised that anyone would vote Wilson over Witt, but I am surprised that a majority of people given a binary choice would vote that way. I like data, so I'd love to see a geographical breakdown of the final results (for all races) and that might clear things up, but we're not likely to get anything like that.

This is a discussion board and a lot of people who follow baseball discuss baseball things here. I'm not trying to argue or convince anyone to some how change the vote, but some people are acting like, by asking a question, I cut them off in traffic and flipped them the bird. I mean no personal offense to anyone. I was just trying to figure things out.

It’s done, Witt isn’t the starting shortstop, move on.