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PSA2Pac · 11-09-2021, 11:31 AM

I like his Luminance the best. Obviously on the cheaper side but it’s all good, I was able to scoop numbered versions for the low. Got a purple, a red and a red psa 9. All dumb cheap

One that’s not popular but I like is Essentials. I got a purple jersey color match/jersey numbered 1/49. Beautiful card

Because he’s high risk I personally didn’t go after anything too crazy, price wise. Just scooped the low hanging fruit of cards I like, if he don’t pan out I’m def not over-leveraged

Tufts23 · 11-09-2021, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSA2Pac

I like his Luminance the best. Obviously on the cheaper side but it’s all good, I was able to scoop numbered versions for the low. Got a purple, a red and a red psa 9. All dumb cheap

One that’s not popular but I like is Essentials. I got a purple jersey color match/jersey numbered 1/49. Beautiful card

Because he’s high risk I personally didn’t go after anything too crazy, price wise. Just scooped the low hanging fruit of cards I like, if he don’t pan out I’m def not over-leveraged

The luminance is a beauty. Cause his stuff is so cheap I just picked up the gold /10 in a PSA 9 (no higher) for a steal.

Bob Ross · 11-09-2021, 01:22 PM

Spacemanspif · 11-09-2021, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjbasketball

Unpopular opinion, but I actually like XR. It clearly is on a different level compared to One & One, Prizm, Select, etc., but it’s a nice looking card and might be one of the toughest cards to gem compared to almost every other Zion RC (Illusions might be the only one tougher to gem). Last time I looked, only about 20% of all copies of this card sent to PSA got a 10.

yeah I like that one of the Chronicles, I have a handful of gems just in case people ever start caring about low end again. Playbook also has a horrific gem rate, currently sitting at 10% (the XR is at 19% btw), but it's an ugly card that only set collectors like me would actually want.

bigjbasketball · 11-09-2021, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

yeah I like that one of the Chronicles, I have a handful of gems just in case people ever start caring about low end again. Playbook also has a horrific gem rate, currently sitting at 10% (the XR is at 19% btw), but it's an ugly card that only set collectors like me would actually want.

I didn’t even think of Playbook, but I can see how that would have a low gem rate. I didn’t send in any of those for grading out of all the Chronicles I ripped, but I sent multiples of just about every other card. Like you said though, it’s such an ugly card that probably nobody will ever care about it. If anyone ever does care about low-end base with a tough gem rate that also looks nice, XR could be a good one to hold. I just have one of those and I’m holding it just incase.

ninjacookies · 11-09-2021, 11:51 PM

https://www.instagram.com/morgandavis_24/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CR96-...8-5dbd57c02105

After some responsible journalistic digging, I've come to the conclusion the foot injury was a mere guise for his Turok: Snowbunny Hunter adventure woes. Thicc on thicc on thicc...with all that gyrating flesh colliding, something was eventually bound to give. His 5th toe the unfortunate martyr.

Son was going hard in the paint, for sure. Can't knock the hustle.

pejc300 · 11-10-2021, 01:38 AM

Stunned at how low everything is dropping. I mean, there is a chance for a 3-5x come up here with the right cards if he shocks the world. I refuse to believe a guy who averaged like 27 and 7 and scored at will is going to completely flop. I think I only have about 10k invested in him. Might be worth dropping another 10-15k.

CanadianKid · 11-10-2021, 01:38 AM

I still don't get that look, liken it to having a huge nose and suddenly being proud of it and then the world starts to celebrate it then your 40 and the rest of you matches dat #@#@#@ and you on Dr. whats his name in TX losing 600 pds saying memba when Fat Boi hit me up.

I blame sir mix a lot,,, and Dunkin

ninjacookies · 11-10-2021, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

Stunned at how low everything is dropping. I mean, there is a chance for a 3-5x come up here with the right cards if he shocks the world. I refuse to believe a guy who averaged like 27 and 7 and scored at will is going to completely flop. I think I only have about 10k invested in him. Might be worth dropping another 10-15k.

You know the drill.

Scared dummy don't make munny.

Spacemanspif · 11-10-2021, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by pejc300

Stunned at how low everything is dropping. I mean, there is a chance for a 3-5x come up here with the right cards if he shocks the world. I refuse to believe a guy who averaged like 27 and 7 and scored at will is going to completely flop. I think I only have about 10k invested in him. Might be worth dropping another 10-15k.

If you didn’t know by now, most of the “investors” these days are morons who don’t really know much about basketball, or investing. The way the influencers and tools are set up, everything is about riding waves of momentum.

At this point all he has to do to beat expectations is show up and not collapse into a pile of nacho cheese. Plenty of low-ish pop stuff available that should go up if he puts together a month or two of solid play. Unfortunately the Pelicans are hot garbage so not sure if people will simply not care even if he does come back.

Spacemanspif · 11-10-2021, 01:53 AM

Oh and I saw this on someone’s FB today. If anyone knows anywhere else we can find up to date pics of big boi, I’d love to know how he’s currently looking

hairyangryfella · 11-10-2021, 02:51 AM

Oh spif, you've gotta stop that... I just decided I had bought enough...

2010GBPackers · 11-10-2021, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Oh and I saw this on someone’s FB today. If anyone knows anywhere else we can find up to date pics of big boi, I’d love to know how he’s currently looking

Maybe he had 4 hoodies and 6 pairs of shorts in that training video just to troll everyone. I mean, if he saw the Trent Richardson photo shoot pic and wanted to troll everyone, that's one way to do it.

Bob Ross · 11-10-2021, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

https://www.instagram.com/morgandavis_24/?hl=en

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CR96-...8-5dbd57c02105

After some responsible journalistic digging, I've come to the conclusion the foot injury was a mere guise for his Turok: Snowbunny Hunter adventure woes. Thicc on thicc on thicc...with all that gyrating flesh colliding, something was eventually bound to give. His 5th toe the unfortunate martyr.

Son was going hard in the paint, for sure. Can't knock the hustle.

KhalDrogo · 11-10-2021, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

If you didn’t know by now, most of the “investors” these days are morons who don’t really know much about basketball, or investing. The way the influencers and tools are set up, everything is about riding waves of momentum.

At this point all he has to do to beat expectations is show up and not collapse into a pile of nacho cheese. Plenty of low-ish pop stuff available that should go up if he puts together a month or two of solid play. Unfortunately the Pelicans are hot garbage so not sure if people will simply not care even if he does come back.

Oversupply of 2019 products and the perception that he’s dead money until next season. I saw him as an MVP contender and the Pelicans as a 4-5 seed if everything came together for them. Now he’s going to have an injury shortened season on a bottom of the barrel team.

People don’t know when to cut losses and move into something else. Most people make the mistake of looking at higher past prices and not wanting to sell because they’re lower now. But never considering how much lower they might go. Time to buy Zion is going to be after he comes back, later in the season. I suspect there are a lot of people waiting for his return before they get out, and that prices will worsen from here.

Mahomie · 11-10-2021, 09:32 AM

I'm fully in the Zion bandwagon, but:

He had a Jones stress fracture (type II or III) of his right 5th metatarsal bone. This is a concerning injury with a high recurrence rate - about 1 out of 3 NBA players who have had this type of surgery required a second surgery at some point.

Some players with multiple Jones fractures ended up fine (Durant), and others didn't (Big Baby Davis). The prognosis is variable and depends on a lot of factors; weight being one of them.

I don't care about card sales (I see some of you have some nice Zion cards for sale in your eBay stores), but I do care about the person, big Z. After all the flak he's caught recently, I think that he'll at least figure the weight issue out. His skills never went away - it's his foot and the Pelicans that I'm most suspicious of at this point.

GeechQuest · 11-10-2021, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Oversupply of 2019 products

This is all that needs to be stated.

How many Zion cards are really worth owning and what kind of deal do you think you could get on them?

You might catch a handful of decent Zion cards on an “out of sight, out of mind dip”, but nobody is going to let anything serious go. Nor should they at this juncture.

The majority of Zion cards are just fodder, but the best of the best are going to be tucked away until he proves himself one way or the other and that’s going to take years.

Mahomie · 11-10-2021, 12:50 PM

And now for some good news:

There are plenty of big men in the NBA who have overcome Jones fractures in the past without any recurrence (Pau Gasol, Julius Randle).

Brook Lopez suffered a Jones fracture in 2011, and subsequently had 3 foot surgeries in the span of 2 years due to complications. Then this happened last season:

Also, there have been some advancements in Jones fracture repairs over the past few years, and we can only assume that Zion is receiving the most up-to-date care possible.

As long as the bone fully heals, the hardware stays in place, and there's no soreness, athletes can pretty much do everything they could prior to the injury (as opposed to ACL/MCL tears, where you might expect a slight loss of explosiveness).

TimBuckTwo · 11-10-2021, 01:22 PM

Zion is living large !!!!!

Spacemanspif · 11-10-2021, 02:41 PM

I thought I mentioned "low-ish POP"?

Anyway, yes regarding card stuffs I think the mass-produced retail stuff is never going to come back, there are literally thousands of sad-sacks waiting for their precious Prizm/Optic/Select/Mosaic base cards to bounce back up, and at the first sign of upward momentum they're all going to dump them and cause the pricing to stall out. But regarding the "good stuff", these types of market conditions always lead to scared hands and things flying under the radar, so I've still been able to pick up a few pieces:
- Court Kings and Revolution are kind of my wheelhouse anyway, so found a few good deals. Level 2-4 POP are super low, I've been planning to do a writeup on the spike in Level 1 production in 2019 just haven't got around to it yet, but surprised at the prices I was able to get Level 2 gems for. Oh, and got a Revolution Fractal PSA 9 for $87, that has to be some kind of record for that card.
- Chronicles is probably the definition of overproduced, but at the same time I feel like $40 gems are a fine buy, there's a good chance they bounce back to $60 before they ever fall to $20. Current pricing is based on all the $10 grading cost-basis folks getting their grading fees back, but once the backlog clears, that supply is completely finished. Personally, I prefer having a full "rainbow" of Chronicles over a single Prizm. We'll see what the market looks like in a year, but it's a pretty low stakes gamble regardless.
- One and One looks like a keeper, I think having it as a recurring brand should help cement it's value. Saw a couple of those get dumped early but now it's back to pretty slim pickings.

When's our next update on big boi's health?

Akphillips86 · 11-10-2021, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

This is all that needs to be stated.

How many Zion cards are really worth owning and what kind of deal do you think you could get on them?

You might catch a handful of decent Zion cards on an “out of sight, out of mind dip”, but nobody is going to let anything serious go. Nor should they at this juncture.

The majority of Zion cards are just fodder, but the best of the best are going to be tucked away until he proves himself one way or the other and that’s going to take years.

Well said.

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ninjacookies · 11-10-2021, 07:59 PM

Weak hands finna ragret.

Dame · 11-11-2021, 04:08 PM

"Zion Williamson isn't even close to taking the floor.. they keep pushing back his timeline" ~
@ShamsCharania

https://mobile.twitter.com/PatMcAfee...hO0-CSrfQ&s=19

I predicted January a month ago but loos like season is over fellas.

Btw that Galactic was relisted for the third time. I offered some but Probstein| Owner doesn’t wanna sell for cheap.

KhalDrogo · 11-11-2021, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dame

"Zion Williamson isn't even close to taking the floor.. they keep pushing back his timeline" ~
@ShamsCharania

https://mobile.twitter.com/PatMcAfee...hO0-CSrfQ&s=19

I predicted January a month ago but loos like season is over fellas.

Btw that Galactic was relisted for the third time. I offered some but Probstein| Owner doesn’t wanna sell for cheap.

Pelicans are a joke and Griffin is a damn liar.

Dame · 11-11-2021, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Pelicans are a joke and Griffin is a damn liar.

No lies detected^

Speaking of Griff.

New Orleans Pelicans Vice President of Basketball Operations David Griffin and former Pelicans head coach Alvin Genty recently had a heated exchange. Following the Pelicans home loss to the Kings in late-October, Griffin approached Gentry to say "hello." That greeting ended in the two being physically separated.

When Gentry, now a Kings assistant, was coaching the Pelicans, Griffin reportedly told people around the NBA that he'd given Gentry "all the answers to the test, and he still fails".

When Griffin approached Gentry following this recent game, Gentry reportedly shouted "You must not have given Stan the answers to the test, either." That led to the two being physically separated.

Griffin has recently been under fire for not being forthcoming about Zion Williamson's broken foot suffered this past offseason. Griffin's building of the Pelicans roster has also come into question, as the Pelicans are an NBA-worst 1-11 this season.

11-09-2021, 11:31 AM	#5876
PSA2Pac Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Posts: 3,893	I like his Luminance the best. Obviously on the cheaper side but it’s all good, I was able to scoop numbered versions for the low. Got a purple, a red and a red psa 9. All dumb cheap One that’s not popular but I like is Essentials. I got a purple jersey color match/jersey numbered 1/49. Beautiful card Because he’s high risk I personally didn’t go after anything too crazy, price wise. Just scooped the low hanging fruit of cards I like, if he don’t pan out I’m def not over-leveraged Last edited by PSA2Pac; 11-09-2021 at 11:33 AM.

11-09-2021, 11:51 PM	#5881
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,034	https://www.instagram.com/morgandavis_24/?hl=en https://www.instagram.com/reel/CR96-...8-5dbd57c02105 After some responsible journalistic digging, I've come to the conclusion the foot injury was a mere guise for his Turok: Snowbunny Hunter adventure woes. Thicc on thicc on thicc...with all that gyrating flesh colliding, something was eventually bound to give. His 5th toe the unfortunate martyr. Son was going hard in the paint, for sure. Can't knock the hustle. __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.

11-10-2021, 09:32 AM	#5891
Mahomie Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 4,467	I'm fully in the Zion bandwagon, but: He had a Jones stress fracture (type II or III) of his right 5th metatarsal bone. This is a concerning injury with a high recurrence rate - about 1 out of 3 NBA players who have had this type of surgery required a second surgery at some point. Some players with multiple Jones fractures ended up fine (Durant), and others didn't (Big Baby Davis). The prognosis is variable and depends on a lot of factors; weight being one of them. I don't care about card sales (I see some of you have some nice Zion cards for sale in your eBay stores), but I do care about the person, big Z. After all the flak he's caught recently, I think that he'll at least figure the weight issue out. His skills never went away - it's his foot and the Pelicans that I'm most suspicious of at this point. __________________ PC: Taylor Heise, Kia Nurse, Trinity Rodman, Grogu, Electric Bill

11-10-2021, 12:50 PM	#5893
Mahomie Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 4,467	And now for some good news: There are plenty of big men in the NBA who have overcome Jones fractures in the past without any recurrence (Pau Gasol, Julius Randle). Brook Lopez suffered a Jones fracture in 2011, and subsequently had 3 foot surgeries in the span of 2 years due to complications. Then this happened last season: Also, there have been some advancements in Jones fracture repairs over the past few years, and we can only assume that Zion is receiving the most up-to-date care possible. As long as the bone fully heals, the hardware stays in place, and there's no soreness, athletes can pretty much do everything they could prior to the injury (as opposed to ACL/MCL tears, where you might expect a slight loss of explosiveness). __________________ PC: Taylor Heise, Kia Nurse, Trinity Rodman, Grogu, Electric Bill Last edited by Mahomie; 11-10-2021 at 01:51 PM. Reason: edit

11-10-2021, 07:59 PM	#5897
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 57,034	Weak hands finna ragret. __________________ #5 world ranked Ledell Eackles superclection as recognized by Tuff Stuff junior managing editor, Barry McCaulkinner. Somethin' like a cross between Teddy Aguhob and Kaboom Mystery Packs. I got that Givenchy denim flow.

11-09-2021, 01:22 PM	#5878
Bob Ross Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Posts: 5,426

11-10-2021, 01:38 AM	#5882
pejc300 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 10,763	Stunned at how low everything is dropping. I mean, there is a chance for a 3-5x come up here with the right cards if he shocks the world. I refuse to believe a guy who averaged like 27 and 7 and scored at will is going to completely flop. I think I only have about 10k invested in him. Might be worth dropping another 10-15k.

11-10-2021, 01:38 AM	#5883
CanadianKid Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Posts: 2,127	I still don't get that look, liken it to having a huge nose and suddenly being proud of it and then the world starts to celebrate it then your 40 and the rest of you matches dat #@#@#@ and you on Dr. whats his name in TX losing 600 pds saying memba when Fat Boi hit me up. I blame sir mix a lot,,, and Dunkin

11-10-2021, 01:53 AM	#5886
Spacemanspif Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 5,861 Spacemanspif	Oh and I saw this on someone’s FB today. If anyone knows anywhere else we can find up to date pics of big boi, I’d love to know how he’s currently looking

11-10-2021, 02:51 AM	#5887
hairyangryfella Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: New Zealand Posts: 13,219	Oh spif, you've gotta stop that... I just decided I had bought enough...

11-10-2021, 01:22 PM	#5894
TimBuckTwo Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,138	Zion is living large !!!!!

11-10-2021, 02:41 PM	#5895
Spacemanspif Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 5,861 Spacemanspif	I thought I mentioned "low-ish POP"? Anyway, yes regarding card stuffs I think the mass-produced retail stuff is never going to come back, there are literally thousands of sad-sacks waiting for their precious Prizm/Optic/Select/Mosaic base cards to bounce back up, and at the first sign of upward momentum they're all going to dump them and cause the pricing to stall out. But regarding the "good stuff", these types of market conditions always lead to scared hands and things flying under the radar, so I've still been able to pick up a few pieces: - Court Kings and Revolution are kind of my wheelhouse anyway, so found a few good deals. Level 2-4 POP are super low, I've been planning to do a writeup on the spike in Level 1 production in 2019 just haven't got around to it yet, but surprised at the prices I was able to get Level 2 gems for. Oh, and got a Revolution Fractal PSA 9 for $87, that has to be some kind of record for that card. - Chronicles is probably the definition of overproduced, but at the same time I feel like $40 gems are a fine buy, there's a good chance they bounce back to $60 before they ever fall to $20. Current pricing is based on all the $10 grading cost-basis folks getting their grading fees back, but once the backlog clears, that supply is completely finished. Personally, I prefer having a full "rainbow" of Chronicles over a single Prizm. We'll see what the market looks like in a year, but it's a pretty low stakes gamble regardless. - One and One looks like a keeper, I think having it as a recurring brand should help cement it's value. Saw a couple of those get dumped early but now it's back to pretty slim pickings. When's our next update on big boi's health?

11-11-2021, 04:08 PM	#5898
Dame Banned Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 3,482	"Zion Williamson isn't even close to taking the floor.. they keep pushing back his timeline" ~ @ShamsCharania https://mobile.twitter.com/PatMcAfee...hO0-CSrfQ&s=19 I predicted January a month ago but loos like season is over fellas. Btw that Galactic was relisted for the third time. I offered some but Probstein\| Owner doesn’t wanna sell for cheap.