First Buzz: 2019-20 NBA Hoops Premium Stock Hobby Hybrid

[k13]

Originally Posted by ATeamHasNoName

The colored pulsar packs disagree...


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There's too many parallels for anyone to care besides silver and numbered cards.

[k13]

Originally Posted by tcdyess

It's going to take some time, but the base pulsar will come out just fine. There is only 15k of them and many are being held in sealed sets. They are much more limited, and great looking. When all this plays out over time, my guess is that the pulsar base will be much more desirable then the regular base cards. That being said, the prizms of the base cards will also have strong demand imo...

15k might as well be a million.

/99 is not even that rare and I can buy those players for cheap.

[Asian62150]

Both are great options. Here's how I break it down:

Sealed Sets:
$400 sealed
$400+ if you rip
$400+++ if you rip and hit something big

Megas:
$180 sealed
Likely <$60 if you rip
$180+++++++++++++ if you rip and hit something big

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by k13

But you can't hit a big card in a set.
That's all people want.

Not some boring set of all the same players of all similar parallels.

Originally Posted by k13

There's too many parallels for anyone to care besides silver and numbered cards.

Originally Posted by k13

15k might as well be a million.

/99 is not even that rare and I can buy those players for cheap.

Originally Posted by k13

So basically ruins hoops...

I wonder if next year they'll do it again.

Originally Posted by k13

Just stop....

Originally Posted by k13

It will be funny when Chrome hoops blaster will sell for less than normal hoops blaster...lol

Originally Posted by k13

Its just hoops with some shiny.

Originally Posted by k13

Thats because they all got opened early.
If Hoops came out now it wouldn't even sell for $50 a blaster.

Just like Illusions/Chronicles sells for crap.

Originally Posted by k13

No.
Explain Contenders blasters...
They are beyond garbage with no following in basketball.

Once people learned the wax game. That's it.
Everyone flipping/hoarding.

Luka chronicles sells for 2x Luka Hoops..
Explain...

Originally Posted by k13

Yeah.
~$300 vs ~$150

Originally Posted by k13

Hopefully there's some numbered cards in retail.

Otherwise just more overproduced garbage.

Originally Posted by k13

Funny how regular hoops sells for more than double of premium stock blaster...

The game has changed since illusions.

What is your end game?

[DiamondDonovan]

Singles prices for the Pulsars have leveled off especially with the silver parallels (and numerous other parallels) hitting the market. Outside of Zion/Ja, the base RCs from the non-pulsar Hoops Premium Stock retail products are all under $10.

$400 for a set sealed is the safest play. I recouped the costs of two sets (while keeping Zion/Ja cards and several other key cards) but it took a lot of work. The sets true value is based on what you hit in the pulsar pack and since they aren't #'d only time will tell through POP reports at how scare they are.

At the current value of the sets, I wish I would have kept more sealed. However with that being said, had I not opened the last set (9 total opened) - I wouldn't have hit that Gold Zion Pulsar!

[Adamnl12]

Once again i was trying to hold my two pulsar packs but just gave in on one of them.... im terrible at holding. This guy ja has been following me around lately.

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[tcdyess]

man, you have the luck.. if open one it will be bench rider vets.... grats on the hit!!!

[Hoopscardz83]

Ship it buttons are back on megas,blasters, cellos. Error message again.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Vinny1984

What is your end game?

To be as pessimistic and negative as possible about everything in every sport except possibly hockey lol

[Chris P]

So i finally opened some retail up, 14 Cellos, and man..brutal lol. I would never pay more than MSRP to rip this. Relative small sample size, but best base rookies were Rui and RJ, best and only notable silver Rui Base RC, Best Laser Coby White Tribute and Rui Base, Best Color, Giannis Green. Pulled a Numbered blue laser of..Diallo lol. Got a Courtside Blue Prizm of Lebron too. Still a fun break

[Steve88]

Originally Posted by Chris P

So i finally opened some retail up, 14 Cellos, and man..brutal lol. I would never pay more than MSRP to rip this. Relative small sample size, but best base rookies were Rui and RJ, best and only notable silver Rui Base RC, Best Laser Coby White Tribute and Rui Base, Best Color, Giannis Green. Pulled a Numbered blue laser of..Diallo lol. Got a Courtside Blue Prizm of Lebron too. Still a fun break

Not sure how anyone can rip if not MSRP. It's been brutal for me as well. Out of 2 blasters and 4 cellos, my best were a zion tribute silver, Spida courstide silver and trae courtside blue. Still a fun rip but not sure how you get your money back ripping with secondary prices right now

[Chris P]

Complain and you shall receive lol

[ATeamHasNoName]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Complain and you shall receive lol

The photo of zion makes me cringe every time lol nice hit though!


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[Adamnl12]

Originally Posted by tcdyess

man, you have the luck.. if open one it will be bench rider vets.... grats on the hit!!!

Thanks i was definetly taken back as it was the top card which caught me off guard. I had my set and last pack up for sale but just decided to end it cause i had to see what was in the pack. Kept the set sealed and opened the loose pack and figures it was all vets. Luckly there was a green LUKA in it though. Now i just gotta keep my hands off of opening my last set.

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[PSA2Pac]

Man.. I havent touched any of my super tiny miniscule itty bitty stash. Been waiting to open with my sons but we might have to this weekend. Haven't seen these in person but they look great online lol

[montej1695]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Complain and you shall receive lol

WOW, centering on that one looks as good as Ive seen. Well done!!!

[Ryebrook]

Originally Posted by montej1695

WOW, centering on that one looks as good as Ive seen. Well done!!!

I like the look of the lasers...reminds me of some of the old Beam Team inserts.

[gymratcards]

Originally Posted by k13

15k might as well be a million.

/99 is not even that rare and I can buy those players for cheap.

I think I must have missed it, but curious how we know there are 15k sets? Sorry, late to the discussion on that.

[elny43]

Originally Posted by gymratcards

I think I must have missed it, but curious how we know there are 15k sets? Sorry, late to the discussion on that.

There were two major stocks of the hoops set and the first was ~8k and the second was ~7k. Page monitors picked up the counts.

[Meets1]

Any thoughts on if/what kind of multiple you're looking at for a PSA 9 vs. raw in pulsars/colored pulsars given some of the chatter around the condition of the pulsar set cards generally?

[GiantPirate]

Originally Posted by DiamondDonovan

Singles prices for the Pulsars have leveled off especially with the silver parallels (and numerous other parallels) hitting the market. Outside of Zion/Ja, the base RCs from the non-pulsar Hoops Premium Stock retail products are all under $10.

$400 for a set sealed is the safest play. I recouped the costs of two sets (while keeping Zion/Ja cards and several other key cards) but it took a lot of work. The sets true value is based on what you hit in the pulsar pack and since they aren't #'d only time will tell through POP reports at how scare they are.

At the current value of the sets, I wish I would have kept more sealed. However with that being said, had I not opened the last set (9 total opened) - I wouldn't have hit that Gold Zion Pulsar!

If you think the colored pulsars are a short term investment, you don't see the value in these. People need to understand how rare they are and the market needs to dry up a bit before prices will go up, but even then, it'll be player dependent of course.

There will be very, very few sets of PS being opened within a month or so, if not by now. Fewer and fewer singles will hit the market and demand will increase. Naturally you'll have to sell at the right time as well.

These are most likely right about 50 made of each and I'd say it's fair to anticipate only 15-30 or so of each player will be available on the market in the first year or so. That's pretty limited and I anticipate the market to dictate as much.

I've been watching them pretty damn closely and the most sought after players have seen prices rise while all others have gone down. But again, as the market drives up, prices will increase when a player is hot. I do think rookies are where it's at with these.

That said I just bought 18 different vet color pulsar's last night at .99 a piece with combined shipping. I am highly confident I can 4-5x that with ease by simply relisting them as BIN/BO and waiting for people who want them bad enough.

Just my two cents but with these pulsar's it's all how you look at it and your timeframe. With sealed prices being sky high on 19-20 products it'll help single prices over time on anything that happens to be short-printed.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by tcdyess

It's going to take some time, but the base pulsar will come out just fine. There is only 15k of them and many are being held in sealed sets. They are much more limited, and great looking. When all this plays out over time, my guess is that the pulsar base will be much more desirable then the regular base cards. That being said, the prizms of the base cards will also have strong demand imo...

This right here.


Look no further than the fanatics silver waves blueprint to see where things are going. There was a sharp dip in singles prices in the beginning. Then a leveling off...and then slow uptick as the saturation of singles began to diminish.

Give it tiempo.

[CJsHockeyCards]

Originally Posted by GiantPirate

If you think the colored pulsars are a short term investment, you don't see the value in these. People need to understand how rare they are and the market needs to dry up a bit before prices will go up, but even then, it'll be player dependent of course.

There will be very, very few sets of PS being opened within a month or so, if not by now. Fewer and fewer singles will hit the market and demand will increase. Naturally you'll have to sell at the right time as well.

These are most likely right about 50 made of each and I'd say it's fair to anticipate only 15-30 or so of each player will be available on the market in the first year or so. That's pretty limited and I anticipate the market to dictate as much.

I've been watching them pretty damn closely and the most sought after players have seen prices rise while all others have gone down. But again, as the market drives up, prices will increase when a player is hot. I do think rookies are where it's at with these.

That said I just bought 18 different vet color pulsar's last night at .99 a piece with combined shipping. I am highly confident I can 4-5x that with ease by simply relisting them as BIN/BO and waiting for people who want them bad enough.

Just my two cents but with these pulsar's it's all how you look at it and your timeframe. With sealed prices being sky high on 19-20 products it'll help single prices over time on anything that happens to be short-printed.

I agree with everything you said. I'm dumping the pulsars from the box set to fund colored pulsars. I'm only buying rookies. I haven't had to purchase many big named rookies though, since I've been lucky enough to pull them. Currently my collection is:
Ja Morant Black
RJ Barrett Black
Coby White Black
Tyler Herro Black
RJ Barrett Red
Zion Williamson Red
Darius Garland Red
Rui Hachimura Red
Deandre Hunter Red

[DiamondDonovan]

Originally Posted by GiantPirate

If you think the colored pulsars are a short term investment, you don't see the value in these. People need to understand how rare they are and the market needs to dry up a bit before prices will go up, but even then, it'll be player dependent of course.

There will be very, very few sets of PS being opened within a month or so, if not by now. Fewer and fewer singles will hit the market and demand will increase. Naturally you'll have to sell at the right time as well.

These are most likely right about 50 made of each and I'd say it's fair to anticipate only 15-30 or so of each player will be available on the market in the first year or so. That's pretty limited and I anticipate the market to dictate as much.

I've been watching them pretty damn closely and the most sought after players have seen prices rise while all others have gone down. But again, as the market drives up, prices will increase when a player is hot. I do think rookies are where it's at with these.

That said I just bought 18 different vet color pulsar's last night at .99 a piece with combined shipping. I am highly confident I can 4-5x that with ease by simply relisting them as BIN/BO and waiting for people who want them bad enough.

Just my two cents but with these pulsar's it's all how you look at it and your timeframe. With sealed prices being sky high on 19-20 products it'll help single prices over time on anything that happens to be short-printed.

Actually - I'm on the same thought train with you regarding the colored pulsars.

When I mentioned "singles prices for pulsars leveling off" - I was referring to the base set pulsars, not the colored ones.

Same strategy as you...I also been picking up singles of the colored cards. In early December when people started cracking these sets, it was easier to find deals on them but it's been drying up since. I'm still looking and this past week - I got 2 Jamal Murray (Red/Blue) for $11, Embiid Blue for $5, and a Green Tatum for $19. I got a red Coby White for $70 (most expensive one I purchased).

Outside of a Andrew Wiggins Gold Pulsar I sold for somebody's PC, I haven't sold any of mine that I pulled personally.

They are definitely more scarce then most people would assume, give it a year or two when people have had time to get their items graded and it'll really confirm how limited they are.

[GiantPirate]

Originally Posted by CJsHockeyCards

I agree with everything you said. I'm dumping the pulsars from the box set to fund colored pulsars. I'm only buying rookies. I haven't had to purchase many big named rookies though, since I've been lucky enough to pull them. Currently my collection is:
Ja Morant Black
RJ Barrett Black
Coby White Black
Tyler Herro Black
RJ Barrett Red
Zion Williamson Red
Darius Garland Red
Rui Hachimura Red
Deandre Hunter Red

That's really fortunate. The market for colored rookies is starting to get crazy already. You have a ton of money on your hands let alone down the line.

Originally Posted by DiamondDonovan

Actually - I'm on the same thought train with you regarding the colored pulsars.

When I mentioned "singles prices for pulsars leveling off" - I was referring to the base set pulsars, not the colored ones.

Same strategy as you...I also been picking up singles of the colored cards. In early December when people started cracking these sets, it was easier to find deals on them but it's been drying up since. I'm still looking and this past week - I got 2 Jamal Murray (Red/Blue) for $11, Embiid Blue for $5, and a Green Tatum for $19. I got a red Coby White for $70 (most expensive one I purchased).

Outside of a Andrew Wiggins Gold Pulsar I sold for somebody's PC, I haven't sold any of mine that I pulled personally.

They are definitely more scarce then most people would assume, give it a year or two when people have had time to get their items graded and it'll really confirm how limited they are.

That's awesome. Yeah I have quite a few I'm really excited about. I've been buying them up. A few color matches I'm super stoked on is Tatum and same as you Coby White red which I got for $49.99.

I also have the entire Curry rainbow outside of the gold now. I spent a lot to get there but I pack pulled the black and figured if I could get all of them it would be a great investment but the last Curry gold went for $250+ which was crazy.

I've been traveling and buying on eBay while I'm gone. Once I get home I'm going to assess what I have and see which ones I might go for the rainbow on.

I think it's a pretty easy flip to buy veteran singles at under $5 a pop, make the rainbow and sell it for a slight premium. It's work but it's easy money too.