2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Georgia win for Biden doesn't lock the election for him. Trump needs to win any combination of three of the remaining four states and must include PA.

I assume you're giving Trump NC and talking about Georgia, AZ,PA and NV?

[burke23]

Originally Posted by ntgm37

The three justices alone are an absolute win for Trump and his legacy, then you start to add in the peace deals, how tight the Republican Party looks right now, plus it looks as though Mitch Thanos and alot of members in the house are beginning to add a little bite for once, as a conservative, its really the best we could have asked for. Then you consider all of the spying that was done by the former party/CIA/FBI, the msm against him at every turn, and he still almost got it done. And last but not least...ill bet that Snowden and Julian are awarded pardons, plus whatever shenanigans he can muster before he leaves...and he did it all for free.

Things were going well here, but “for free”? Let’s be honest about who he is and his monetizing his time in office.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

I'd love to know what Bovada is seeing to justify Nevada at -900 for Biden

I will say I am not 100% on this, but isn't all the Nevada vote that is outstanding the mail in votes? Even if Biden is only up 8,000 he has been winning the mail in vote consistently across the country. Would be a big shock if he loses the mail in vote suddenly here. That is why I suspect that the line is that high. Can someone else weigh in that has been paying attention to Nevada?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

A Georgia win for Biden would guarantee a tie and it would be a crucial blow to Trump.

Yes it doesn’t clinch the election but that would be a massive blow to morale and would significantly effect trump’s chances at swinging the election through the courts

Trump wins in a tie scenario. Undisputed.

But we're getting closer to the idea that this election won't be settled on the field, rather in the courts. That's not good. If Trump loses AZ, it's a lot easier to walk away from this because he never really had a chance no matter what disaster of a count PA did. If Trump pulls out Arizona, the good feelings I have about the Republican party may not last.

Because then, one could argue more successfully that the election was stolen. And that sucks.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Onepocketj

I assume you're giving Trump NC and talking about Georgia, AZ,PA and NV?

Yes. NC is over. It's just a dumb state rule that suggests it's possible Biden wins because of outstanding absentees, but 100% of the vote that they had on ED is in.

How many votes are going to show up after the election, with a proper postmark of the 110,000? My guess would be 500 or so.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

I will say I am not 100% on this, but isn't all the Nevada vote that is outstanding the mail in votes? Even if Biden is only up 8,000 he has been winning the mail in vote consistently across the country. Would be a big shock if he loses the mail in vote suddenly here. That is why I suspect that the line is that high. Can someone else weigh in that has been paying attention to Nevada?

Only thing I can say about Nevada is that Clark County is leaning liberal in the last couple years. Especially since the massacre-RIP

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Lmao at one specific line in this post. "Failed at a simple task: lead this country" Wow. That is all I can say about that. Wow

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well, if he loses this election the results speak for themselves.

[NeedChapmans]

Fox needs to retract this call. They risk a great deal of buffoonery among their own crowd if the votes come in and Trump wins.

At this stage, the country knows it's possible Trump wins. How can you call a race when that's still on the table?

[Onepocketj]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yes. NC is over. It's just a dumb state rule that suggests it's possible Biden wins because of outstanding absentees, but 100% of the vote that they had on ED is in.

How many votes are going to show up after the election, with a proper postmark of the 110,000? My guess would be 500 or so.

Yeah - just like Military votes count until the 12th. Crazy

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by ntgm37

The three justices alone are an absolute win for Trump and his legacy, then you start to add in the peace deals, how tight the Republican Party looks right now, plus it looks as though Mitch Thanos and alot of members in the house are beginning to add a little bite for once, as a conservative, its really the best we could have asked for. Then you consider all of the spying that was done by the former party/CIA/FBI, the msm against him at every turn, and he still almost got it done. And last but not least...ill bet that Snowden and Julian are awarded pardons, plus whatever shenanigans he can muster before he leaves...and he did it all for free.

He kept playing the victim and the GOP ate it up like candy and made his supporters crazy. Everyone was against poor trump, plays it off like he was just minding his own business. The MSM calls him out on all his lies and he is suddenly the victim. Yes the media is biased but they also are way more credible than trump ever is. There are reasons why so many republicans who have been in government and the military came out against trump. Even members who had been in his administration were against him or thought he was crazy.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Fox needs to retract this call. They risk a great deal of buffoonery among their own crowd if the votes come in and Trump wins.

At this stage, the country knows it's possible Trump wins. How can you call a race when that's still on the table?

Yes they should retract it but as you mentioned earlier if they retract they have egg on their face, even if it ends up being declared for Biden again later. They probably are figuring that they might as well just wait now and if they don't end up having to change then they can act like they were right all along.

[NeedChapmans]

So Trumps down 175,000 in PA right now w/ just about 100% of the burbs around Philly in, but 30% of Philly still to go.

Some outstanding vote helps him elsewhere but there's 240,000 votes left in Philly.

Close. Shoulder shrug.

[Onepocketj]

Trump has lost 60k of his lead in PA and it's gone from 88 to 89% reporting. That doesn't bode well for Trump. 164k ahead right now

[Onions]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Covid is not a layup for anyone, but trump could have managed it better by unifying the country instead of dividing it.

Hate to break it to you, but there are precious few democrats willing to get behind Trump, no matter what. I think he has handled Covid well, and no one will realize it until this thing is over and we can see the path of destruction it left. Many countries are decimating their economies right now, for nothing. There is still a lot of pain ahead if the world is committed to shutting down for months on end.

Biden did more to galvanize people against Trump and his actions on the virus than anything. This being an election year brought more polarization to his response. Biden ripped "Trump's" vaccine and we went from people looking forward to getting a it to most of the country unwilling to even consider receiving it because they were convinced Trump was cooking it up on his own in the basement of the White House. Thanks Joe!

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Yes they should retract it but as you mentioned earlier if they retract they have egg on their face, even if it ends up being declared for Biden again later. They probably are figuring that they might as well just wait now and if they don't end up having to change then they can act like they were right all along.

Egg is better IMHO.

They made a mistake. Admit it, fix it, move on. Many always argue in here that when Trump screws up, he never admits it, never apologizes and that's true. Here, Fox is digging in so much that they risk making a mockery of themselves to the Republican base which they covet.

I think the reward at this stage is a bit futile after that first batch of Maricopa. What they said would happen, that Biden had more of the vote that was left is clearly incorrect (presuming Maricopa took a random sample).

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Trump wins in a tie scenario. Undisputed.

But we're getting closer to the idea that this election won't be settled on the field, rather in the courts. That's not good. If Trump loses AZ, it's a lot easier to walk away from this because he never really had a chance no matter what disaster of a count PA did. If Trump pulls out Arizona, the good feelings I have about the Republican party may not last.

Because then, one could argue more successfully that the election was stolen. And that sucks.

This is the biggest fear. That it looks like a Biden win but Trump takes it all the way to the Supreme Court and somehow gets it reversed in his favor. Settled on the field either way will be infinitely better for the Country. And I'm still not as confident in a Biden win as is being suggested by what I'm reading recently on this thread.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by Onions

Hate to break it to you, but there are precious few democrats willing to get behind Trump, no matter what. I think he has handled Covid well, and no one will realize it until this thing is over and we can see the path of destruction it left. Many countries are decimating their economies right now, for nothing. There is still a lot of pain ahead if the world is committed to shutting down for months on end.

Biden did more to galvanize people against Trump and his actions on the virus than anything. This being an election year brought more polarization to his response. Biden ripped "Trump's" vaccine and we went from people looking forward to getting a it to most of the country unwilling to even consider receiving it because they were convinced Trump was cooking it up on his own in the basement of the White House. Thanks Joe!

Onions: you're better than this and you know it.


Sleepy joe in his basement did nothing to undo trump. Trump's ineptitude did it to himself.


biden on his own accord did minimal damage to trump . His speeches were weak, he barely campaigned and when he did he stumbled badly. His performance in the second debate was absolutley terrible.



Simply said, trump blew it. Hard.

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

well, if he loses this election the results speak for themselves.

You completely missed the point. The fact that you think running the most powerful nation in the world and being the leader of the free world is a simple task is laughable to say the least.

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[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

You completely missed the point. The fact that you think running the most powerful nation in the world and being the leader of the free world is a simple task is laughable to say the least.

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You got me..... Good point



Glad you are arguing semantics at this point. Feel better?

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by Onions

Hate to break it to you, but there are precious few democrats willing to get behind Trump, no matter what. I think he has handled Covid well, and no one will realize it until this thing is over and we can see the path of destruction it left. Many countries are decimating their economies right now, for nothing. There is still a lot of pain ahead if the world is committed to shutting down for months on end.

Biden did more to galvanize people against Trump and his actions on the virus than anything. This being an election year brought more polarization to his response. Biden ripped "Trump's" vaccine and we went from people looking forward to getting a it to most of the country unwilling to even consider receiving it because they were convinced Trump was cooking it up on his own in the basement of the White House. Thanks Joe!

He hasn’t handled it well, his fight against not wearing masks was awful and he’s politicized a deadly disease.

If you wanna argue him mishandling covid saved part of the economy versus other nations, that’s a different argument though. When in regards to handling corona with just discussing the disease, he’s done a bad job

[Eckstein197]

Also I’m curious, for the trump supporters here, do you agree with him that climate change is a hoax?

[Jopeal]

What's Nevadas agenda for not releasing their tallies? Do they want to be the official 270?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by wood minis

This is the biggest fear. That it looks like a Biden win but Trump takes it all the way to the Supreme Court and somehow gets it reversed in his favor. Settled on the field either way will be infinitely better for the Country. And I'm still not as confident in a Biden win as is being suggested by what I'm reading recently on this thread.

Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada taking three days to do this is inexcusable. It's unfortunate that the election hinges on these states that do not seem to have the ability to count 1+1. Arizona dropping more Trump ballots in a few hours, which is all but guaranteed, also does not help.

So not to derail; but it's just another thing that makes me realize how awful government is. These states have had months to prepare for this and the plan was just to let it drift for days? PA I kinda sorta understand, large state, large votes, tough legislature / government relationship but the other three states should have been done already. Nevada, less than 1.5 million votes, I mean comon.

Frustrating.

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

He hasn’t handled it well, his fight against not wearing masks was awful and he’s politicized a deadly disease.

If you wanna argue him mishandling covid saved part of the economy versus other nations, that’s a different argument though. When in regards to handling corona with just discussing the disease, he’s done a bad job

Biden ran on COVID. Of course Trump had to play the political game.

Maybe he has done a bad job with COVID and the disease itself, but he has done a great job then, with maintaining the economy.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Biden ran on COVID. Of course Trump had to play the political game.

Maybe he has done a bad job with COVID and the disease itself, but he has done a great job then, with maintaining the economy.

If you’re assuming Biden ran on covid alone, wouldn’t it have been in Trump’s favor to take away his positioning on covid? Do a mask mandate, act like you’re the number 1 person trying to stop this, that would take away Biden’s edge.

Why are you okay with politicizing a disease? Do you know of people affected by it?