Corona Virus

[MPA8877]

I’m always baffled by people who try to compare deaths of one thing to something else, and use that to claim that one is safer than the other. “Only” 3k people died on 9/11, I guess we shouldn’t have done anything about that, right? Do people realize how dumb those arguments are?

[chezball]

Originally Posted by MPA8877

I’m always baffled by people who try to compare deaths of one thing to something else, and use that to claim that one is safer than the other. “Only” 3k people died on 9/11, I guess we shouldn’t have done anything about that, right? Do people realize how dumb those arguments are?

Do you not know where you posted this?

[MPA8877]

Originally Posted by chezball

Do you not know where you posted this?

I do, thanks

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by chezball

Do you not know where you posted this?

Do you not see the irony of you responding to his question like that?

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Do you not see the irony of you responding to his question like that?

Trust me, he doesn’t.

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

Trust me, he doesn’t.

Ouch


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[DegaBama]

More fear mongering by the media. Can we stop posting stories on how this virus can be deadly? We get it, but that's like ANY virus. Some people feel it and some don't. But spreading articles about worst case scenarios will continue to push towards irrational decisions.

[awz50]

Originally Posted by chezball

I live just outside NYC and I go wherever I freaking please.
Keep hunkering down in place like little (add your own)

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

More fear mongering by the media. Can we stop posting stories on how this virus can be deadly? We get it, but that's like ANY virus. Some people feel it and some don't. But spreading articles about worst case scenarios will continue to push towards irrational decisions.

The “media” doesn’t do a story on every single murder in the country, but if the was a cult of serial killers in almost every city in the country that slowly kept gaining members and the number of people the killed was increasing day by day, if the media was warning you about the cult would they be fear mongering?

Would people be saying “what’s the big deal? There’s murders everyday in this country?”

Would law enforcement decide not to share information state to state and not loop in the federal enforcement agencies to help track the cult down and slow their spread because “murders happen daily”.

I could go on, but I prefer to leave this awful “haven’t had my coffee” early morning analogy here.

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Would you go to Easter church services coming up?

I’m not religious, so negative chief.

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by caflisch78

Mayor of Los Angeles just said figure heads are spreading false hopes. Expects LA have mass deaths and to be locked down for AT LEAST 2 months of not longer. Already talking about converting stadiums into hospitals as their ICUs are over 90% capacity already.

Another Dem with national aspirations seeking to fear-monger his way onto national TV with outlandish and completely irresponsible prognostications.

Our boy Andy's got a 10 day lead on you, chief! Sit back, watch, and learn!

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

The “media” doesn’t do a story on every single murder in the country, but if the was a cult of serial killers in almost every city in the country that slowly kept gaining members and the number of people the killed was increasing day by day, if the media was warning you about the cult would they be fear mongering?

Would people be saying “what’s the big deal? There’s murders everyday in this country?”

Would law enforcement decide not to share information state to state and not loop in the federal enforcement agencies to help track the cult down and slow their spread because “murders happen daily”.

I could go on, but I prefer to leave this awful “haven’t had my coffee” early morning analogy here.

Get some coffee. Equating a viral disease with a murder cult? Wow...

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

The “media” doesn’t do a story on every single murder in the country, but if the was a cult of serial killers in almost every city in the country that slowly kept gaining members and the number of people the killed was increasing day by day, if the media was warning you about the cult would they be fear mongering?

Would people be saying “what’s the big deal? There’s murders everyday in this country?”

Would law enforcement decide not to share information state to state and not loop in the federal enforcement agencies to help track the cult down and slow their spread because “murders happen daily”.

I could go on, but I prefer to leave this awful “haven’t had my coffee” early morning analogy here.

I found you a running mate TheHeel.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

More fear mongering by the media. Can we stop posting stories on how this virus can be deadly? We get it, but that's like ANY virus. Some people feel it and some don't. But spreading articles about worst case scenarios will continue to push towards irrational decisions.

It's been nice to stay out of this thread for a few days, but I can see things still haven't changed and some people still can't see the REAL problem behind this virus. Yes, maybe the media does focus on the worst case scenario too much, but it's because if they didn't right now, things would get so so so much worse, as too many people disregarded the potential outcomes over the past few weeks despite the evidence from other countries around the world.

Many hospitals are teetering on the brink of being completely overrun already and we're just getting started, and when that happens, the deaths will start to pile up at an alarmingly fast rate. These aren't just deaths that were inevitable like with the Flu where someone just couldn't beat it even with treatments and medical support, there will be thousands deaths of people who would have lived with the proper medical care.

Other viruses don't overwhelm our hospitals, they're built with the capacity to handle all other known illnesses and viruses out there. People don't die from car accidents because the hospital didn't have enough doctors or nurses to care for them or even have an open bed for them.

Once they are beyond capacity and are turning people with the virus away because they have no beds and ventilators left, not only will those people likely die, but so will many other people who have other illnesses and conditions because the care won't be there for them either. So you'll start having people die of every day issues that most people don't die from either.

So people need to stop comparing this to the seasonal Flu or traffic accidents, we get it, there are many more deaths from those things, but the effect those things have on our healthcare systems is extremely minimal to none, as they're built to handle them.

If people want to argue the economics side of things, that's fine, I can at least see where they're coming from. But this nonsense of comparing it to other viruses or deaths just needs to stop, the virus isn't the problem, it's the trickle down effect that it has on our healthcare system.

[Boo]

Seems infection rates are slowing in many places, even NY

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Whodatiz

I found you a running mate TheHeel.

Hahahahaha I love this.

[Whodatiz]

Originally Posted by Boo

Seems infection rates are slowing in many places, even NY

Get out of here with the facts man.

[arek]

Originally Posted by Boo

Seems infection rates are slowing in many places, even NY

Yay, the stay home order is working

[Boo]

Originally Posted by arek

Yay, the stay home order is working

So the fear mongering of millions of deaths, overrun hospitals and this going into the summer and fall aren't real?

[Dbacksbaseball]

Originally Posted by MPA8877

I’m always baffled by people who try to compare deaths of one thing to something else, and use that to claim that one is safer than the other. “Only” 3k people died on 9/11, I guess we shouldn’t have done anything about that, right? Do people realize how dumb those arguments are?

Just to be clear,

You are saying everyone is dumb then, as everyone is just guessing and doing comparative work.

There are plenty of good correlative comparisons. H1N1, where our Lord and Savior Barack Obama stood Idle and 12,500 people died (and that was ok BTW) vs Covid-19 where we had less than 1000 deaths and our country was shut down.

Comparing something completely off kilter, such as 9/11, or I think someone said Tigers in a zoo.....now that I will agree is dumb.

[arek]

Originally Posted by Boo

So the fear mongering of millions of deaths, overrun hospitals and this going into the summer and fall aren't real?

Not if everyone follows the recommendations I guess.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Boo

So the fear mongering of millions of deaths, overrun hospitals and this going into the summer and fall aren't real?

Well the overrun hospitals is true.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

Well the overrun hospitals is true.

Haven't seen it yet so we don't know that it will be true.

[Joan p]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Just to be clear,

You are saying everyone is dumb then, as everyone is just guessing and doing comparative work.

There are plenty of good correlative comparisons. H1N1, where our Lord and Savior Barack Obama stood Idle and 12,500 people died (and that was ok BTW) vs Covid-19 where we had less than 1000 deaths and our country was shut down.

Comparing something completely off kilter, such as 9/11, or I think someone said Tigers in a zoo.....now that I will agree is dumb.

You are comparing the total number of H1N1 deaths to the current number of Covid - 19 . Apples to Oranges


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[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Dbacksbaseball

Just to be clear,

You are saying everyone is dumb then, as everyone is just guessing and doing comparative work.

There are plenty of good correlative comparisons. H1N1, where our Lord and Savior Barack Obama stood Idle and 12,500 people died (and that was ok BTW) vs Covid-19 where we had less than 1000 deaths and our country was shut down.

Comparing something completely off kilter, such as 9/11, or I think someone said Tigers in a zoo.....now that I will agree is dumb.

H1N1 deaths were measured over the course of a year. We also had 4 different anti-virals available to treat it.

We’ve had ~750 deaths in the last 4 days and don’t have any type of medication (yet) to help treat. At our current rate we will blow by those death numbers from H1N1 by June 1st, and that’s with the country essentially closed.