Cryptozoic A Christmas Story: Marquee Trading Cards

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Jaysabz

I welcome comment from others on this board as to whether I'm a Cryptozoic asset undercover or a guy asking some questions about some kind of card makers' error that I wanted to understand more about.

Yea I’ll go with the latter in this one.

In terms of the blue inks, kinda sucks if there was no chance in a low case (dunno if this is true or not), but I know companies can hide behind that terminology often used like “nothing guaranteed in a pack,box,case”, and odds are across the run. Even if blues were only in high cases they still would be at those odds across the run etc.

I’ve seen misleading things in marvel- just recently UD using a pic of a golden treasures on side of a 92MM platinum blaster box (can’t hit those in blasters- how many people saw that on the box and bought it because of that?). Same thing with legendary orange on MM XL blaster boxes (can’t hit them).

If the artist thing not being paid thing is actually true- details seem sparse- it’s not a good look (I assume at some point they’ll be paid). But that’s also a self correcting mechanism..if the artists aren’t being paid, cryptozoic sure won’t have an easy task of getting artists for any future sets, as what artist would do that. Would be awfully dumb to not pay artists (this is all in the hypothetical since there are a lot of details unknown here).

[cmixer]

FWIW, Cryptozoic has a history of paying their artists is "bursts"
(I assume when cash flow is advantageous).

If you look at this Facebook post from them (dated 09/2021),
they had a backlog of sketch card artist invoices and cleared them all out at once:
https://www.facebook.com/share/19Dt68AVXm/

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

Where is the guy from the company that was replying at the start

Is he replying to this issue ?

I have opened 30 boxes and I have hit some great stuff

But to me it’s not only the autos to 5. It’s also the 1/1 and the printing plates

There is 5 1/1 per card. 4 plates and a brilliance

Times 99 cards. Plus autos. That’s 500 1/1 ‘s in the product

If there is 500 cases made. Should be 1/1 per case

Excluding the sketch 1/1 cards

There is like 20 1/1’s on eBay and like 20 in complete items

That makes absolutely zero sense. Where are they all at ?

I don’t know if we can draw all that much from it. Much of the product is still unopened no doubt. Seems to be a fair number of collectors of the set, which might mean less 1/1s hitting eBay (than say a shiny marvel or Disney chrome set where it’s largely gamblers listing any $ hit almost immediately, or at least a large percent of the wax rippers are doing that).

I opened just a meager 2 boxes of this…I got a 1/1 plate. Nothing that fancy but got one. Just one anecdotal data point.

[Grid]

Unpopular opinion I am sure. But I see a bunch of you all up in arms over the Blue Ink insertion issues.

From the rep that posted in here, these were meant to be a surprise. And the inclusion of the SP Blue Inks were not advertised. If these were a late addition, and inserted as "bonus" hits or "upgrades to hits" later on in the pack out. Is it really that big of a deal that the earlier cases didn't have them? Did anyone really get cheated?

I went through the sell sheets on both D&A and Crpto's sites. And nether are making mention of Blue Inks being a hit.

Outside of the Rep who posted in here. It isn't like the manufacturer or the retailers are promising anything that wasn't available to all, right?

[Bruin7]

Originally Posted by Grid

Unpopular opinion I am sure. But I see a bunch of you all up in arms over the Blue Ink insertion issues.

From the rep that posted in here, these were meant to be a surprise. And the inclusion of the SP Blue Inks were not advertised. If these were a late addition, and inserted as "bonus" hits or "upgrades to hits" later on in the pack out. Is it really that big of a deal that the earlier cases didn't have them? Did anyone really get cheated?

I went through the sell sheets on both D&A and Crpto's sites. And nether are making mention of Blue Inks being a hit.

Outside of the Rep who posted in here. It isn't like the manufacturer or the retailers are promising anything that wasn't available to all, right?

I beg to differ…see page 3

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/04...f?v=1734564225

[DynaEtch]

It somewhat a gray area I guess, but the companies no doubt have an escape clause if needed, in the nothing guaranteed in a box disclaimer. (Although yes there is a difference between nothing guaranteed in a box vs nothing possible in a box).

I’m not sure if this the big deal it’s being made to be though. The UD example of picturing Golden Treasures on the side of blaster boxes is arguably worse since those are not in blasters period, whereas these should be in at least high # cases.

Let's say in this the blues only made it into cases #300-500 (or whatever top case # is). Thought experiment time. Picture in some other product a big hit was seeded in every even numbered case (collectors dont realize this at first…some are pulling one, some arent, and the hit is 1:2 cases and all appears normal and business as usual). Do we in this case claim that anyone buying an odd case is being jipped? It wasnt possible to hit in theirs, but some just chalk this up to a 1:2 case chance and they happened to get one that doesnt. If no one knew about the numbered pattern, then thats exactly what would be thought, in fact.

[Bruin7]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

It somewhat a gray area I guess, but the companies no doubt have an escape clause if needed, in the nothing guaranteed in a box disclaimer. (Although yes there is a difference between nothing guaranteed in a box vs nothing possible in a box).

I’m not sure if this the big deal it’s being made to be though. The UD example of picturing Golden Treasures on the side of blaster boxes is arguably worse since those are not in blasters period, whereas these should be in at least high # cases.

Let's say in this the blues only made it into cases #300-500 (or whatever top case # is). Thought experiment time. Picture in some other product a big hit was seeded in every even numbered case (collectors dont realize this at first…some are pulling one, some arent, and the hit is 1:2 cases and all appears normal and business as usual). Do we in this case claim that anyone buying an odd case is being jipped? It wasnt possible to hit in theirs, but some just chalk this up to a 1:2 case chance and they happened to get one that doesnt. If no one knew about the numbered pattern, then thats exactly what would be thought, in fact.

What if I were to tell you that the blue ink inscriptions are supposedly in all cases even below 300. Would this change your opinion? This is what makes the whole thing more irritating to me. I don’t know who to believe.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Bruin7

What if I were to tell you that the blue ink inscriptions are supposedly in all cases even below 300. Would this change your opinion? This is what makes the whole thing more irritating to me. I don’t know who to believe.

Well if that's the case, there'd even be less to complain about. I thought people above were speculating it was just high numbered cases.

[Bruin7]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Well if that's the case, there'd even be less to complain about. I thought people above were speculating it was just high numbered cases.

My point is it seems like they weren’t inserted at all.

[DynaEtch]

Originally Posted by Bruin7

My point is it seems like they weren’t inserted at all.

Whatever happened to this? Is this the only known example of a blue pulled, and is there any proof of it?

Originally Posted by lklopfenstein

Buddy of mine opened case 413 and I can confirm a blue inscription /5 was pulled. So if theories are correct the 400 cases could be the key. Case was shipped direct to store that sold it to him.

On another note, what was going on with that altered case on ebay that was supposedly bought back by Crypto almost immediately on a Sat night? (which I find very hard to believe). Anyone catch the seller ID? Strange stuff in this release.

[Paramedic]

Originally Posted by Bruin7

Post a pic and I’m sure one of us can help identify

Thank you here is image of the back and front....



https://www.blowoutforums.com/attach...1&d=1738024434

[StevieV]

Originally Posted by DynaEtch

On another note, what was going on with that altered case on ebay that was supposedly bought back by Crypto almost immediately on a Sat night? (which I find very hard to believe). Anyone catch the seller ID?

maculay1979 is the seller ID.

[StevieV]

Originally Posted by Bruin7

What if I were to tell you that the blue ink inscriptions are supposedly in all cases even below 300.

Is this what the person from Cryptozoic told you?

I suppose it is possible, that everyone with early cases just happened to have incredibly bad luck, but until proven otherwise I don't believe it. The only thing that gives me cause to pause is that there are other cards with very few examples pulled so far that have a similar print run to the blues. Randy SP - probably around 5 or 6 made public out of 85. Same with Schwartz. Flick only 3 of 85. Printing Plate autos - only 2 of 92, with both being from the SP version of Schwartz. I find that incredibly odd too. The difference with those though is at least a couple of them have turned up, and not 0 like the blues. All this makes me think, where are ALL of these good cards? Is it really possible so little of this has been opened?

[Bruin7]

Originally Posted by StevieV

Is this what the person from Cryptozoic told you?

I suppose it is possible, that everyone with early cases just happened to have incredibly bad luck, but until proven otherwise I don't believe it. The only thing that gives me cause to pause is that there are other cards with very few examples pulled so far that have a similar print run to the blues. Randy SP - probably around 5 or 6 made public out of 85. Same with Schwartz. Flick only 3 of 85. Printing Plate autos - only 2 of 92, with both being from the SP version of Schwartz. I find that incredibly odd too. The difference with those though is at least a couple of them have turned up, and not 0 like the blues. All this makes me think, where are ALL of these good cards? Is it really possible so little of this has been opened?

I’m extremely disappointed that many of us never had a fair chance at pulling SP autographs out 85 & Blue Ink Inscription autographs. The math doesn’t work out given the amount we’ve opened here.

[Oldnavy788]

I am still opening my case 2 boxes to go and it has been unreal so far…

[Oldnavy788]

Sorry not aure why the picture is sideways not how I took it.

[kakarot12]

Originally Posted by Oldnavy788

I am still opening my case 2 boxes to go and it has been unreal so far…

Congrats! I guess the big question is….was it found in a case below 250 or above?

[Oldnavy788]

Thank you! So excited to finally see one.

Sorry forgot to add that, it is number 238.

[Bruin7]

Originally Posted by Oldnavy788

I am still opening my case 2 boxes to go and it has been unreal so far…

Finally & congrats! These things are definitely not spread out evenly throughout the cases.

[StevieV]

Originally Posted by Bruin7

Finally & congrats! These things are definitely not spread out evenly throughout the cases.

Perhaps, but I'm a bit more hopeful now they could be. 238 is not a low case # but it's not exactly a high one either. Without being able to see every single case # opened I don't think we'll ever know for sure one way or the other.

[StevieV]

Originally Posted by Oldnavy788

Thank you! So excited to finally see one.

Sorry forgot to add that, it is number 238.

Congrats on the amazing pull! That's one of the best ones to get too. Awesome.

[Oldnavy788]

Thank you and yes finally. This case was on fire for autos here are my other pulls…

[Oldnavy788]

Originally Posted by StevieV

Congrats on the amazing pull! That's one of the best ones to get too. Awesome.

Thank you appreciate it! Very fun inscription.

[StevieV]

Originally Posted by Oldnavy788

Thank you and yes finally. This case was on fire for autos here are my other pulls…

Yeah that's about as good a case as you can get right there. Congrats again. Awesome stuff.

[DynaEtch]

Well there ya go! Congrats on the blue, great hit.

Maybe we’ve just been seeing some highly unusual rarity with almost none showing up to date. Crazy