2019 National Treasures Collegiate

[nickha2]

Originally Posted by tolrobb

ok, which one of you guys is this?

https://twitter.com/paninibuyer/with_replies

I am surprised there are not more upset people in here about this bot situation. That guy single handedly is profiting thousands of dollars per release while we have no shot of getting any.

[liva]

Congrats to everyone who landed one or more box(es)! Anyone got one from outside USA? I had one in my cart and received a message “not shipping to this location (Europe) at the time”... Not sure it's a rule or a system error...

[coltsnsox07]

Originally Posted by liva

Congrats to everyone who landed one or more box(es)! Anyone got one from outside USA? I had one in my cart and received a message “not shipping to this location (Europe) at the time”... Not sure it's a rule or a system error...

hey did you check your email or Panini account to see if you received a confirmation? People were posting here that they got 'unable to ship to this address' after getting one into their cart and trying to check out, but it still went through and they were surprised to see a confirmation email.

[liva]

Thanks for the tip... Yeah, I read that and checked my mailbox but nothing ;-(

[sjay2k]

Originally Posted by nickha2

I am surprised there are not more upset people in here about this bot situation. That guy single handedly is profiting thousands of dollars per release while we have no shot of getting any.

I’m not convinced that’s the case at all. I mean there is one guy who is selling subscriptions but the proof of purchases is fairly limited. Meanwhile there is plenty of evidence that people here on the forums are able to buy FOTL, often multiple units. All things considered the current system (basically a lottery) is really pretty good.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by bigp621

doesn't matter what system panini uses, someones going to bitch. I tried for 40 minutes and didn't get one. They do need to do something about the bots though. This product being online only and not allowing card shops to purchase these I don't think it makes any sense. Allow shops to have them and give us a chance at buying to bust or resale whatever we choose. It's a crapshoot on everything. Same as playing a scratch off or the mega million's going to lose more than you win.

Right, and then shops can charge $1,000? Sorry, but I’m becoming sick of distributors, and to some degree shops as well. The markup on boxes and cases, and especially breaks is just stupid.

I’d much prefer paninis current system.

[tier1dc]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

Right, and then shops can charge $1,000? Sorry, but I’m becoming sick of distributors, and to some degree shops as well. The markup on boxes and cases, and especially breaks is just stupid.

I’d much prefer paninis current system.

I think bigp is a shop owner. He's very concerned about them.

[ninjacookies]

Sealed Immac already hitting 1k.

Wouldn't be surprised to see these hit 1.2-1.3k in a few short weeks once box supply on Ebay dwindles.

[coltsnsox07]

Everyone's favorite seller 'skoobasam1' has two boxes for sale on ebay, $2100 OBO. His feedback is down to 87.5% from the Immaculate sales he backed out of...

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Sealed Immac already hitting 1k.

Wouldn't be surprised to see these hit 1.2-1.3k in a few short weeks once box supply on Ebay dwindles.

I've seen them dropping and settling into 850-900. If anything, I'm still kinda shocked BO is still offering 800.

It's gonna be hard for them to go up again if a Zion RPA is barely hitting 1k. Best bet for people holding is to wait a couple of weeks for Zion to come back and start playing again.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I've seen them dropping and settling into 850-900. If anything, I'm still kinda shocked BO is still offering 800.

It's gonna be hard for them to go up again if a Zion RPA is barely hitting 1k. Best bet for people holding is to wait a couple of weeks for Zion to come back and start playing again.

This is every online release. It never changes.

Immac started at around 600-650. Dropped to around 550 as Ebay got flooded with the first wave of auctions.

Started drying up...crept up to 700. Several weeks later...sealed disappearing and box breaks proved they were loaded....never looked back.


I don't know what universe Zion NT RPA's will be 1k if immaculate are more than that. As much as I dislike the NT design, NT is always king. Singles prices don't have a direct correlation to sealed wax, anyways. Almost every panini online release has gone up with time as singles have plummeted. It's supply vs. demand. These will be scarce on the market in 2-3 weeks.

BO's still offering strong because they know where these are inevitably headed, and understand how loaded they'll be off simple math crunching. Another gb's wet dream.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

This is every online release. It never changes.

Immac started at around 600-650. Dropped to around 550 as Ebay got flooded with the first wave of auctions.

Started drying up...crept up to 700. Several weeks later...sealed disappearing and box breaks proved they were loaded....never looked back.


I don't know what universe Zion NT RPA's will be 1k if immaculate are more than that. As much as I dislike the NT design, NT is always king. Singles prices don't have a direct correlation to sealed wax, anyways. Almost every panini online release has gone up with time as singles have plummeted. It's supply vs. demand. These will be scarce on the market in 2-3 weeks.

BO's still offering strong because they know where these are inevitably headed, and understand how loaded they'll be off simple math crunching. Another gb's wet dream.

Oh I was talking about Immac. Immac boxes are around 850-900 now and the last Zion RPAs are around 1k.

NT is gonna beat that easily. Zion's RPA should be around 2k out of the gate (at least) and boxes will settle around 1500 in a week or so IMO.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

This is every online release. It never changes.

Immac started at around 600-650. Dropped to around 550 as Ebay got flooded with the first wave of auctions.

Started drying up...crept up to 700. Several weeks later...sealed disappearing and box breaks proved they were loaded....never looked back.


I don't know what universe Zion NT RPA's will be 1k if immaculate are more than that. As much as I dislike the NT design, NT is always king. Singles prices don't have a direct correlation to sealed wax, anyways. Almost every panini online release has gone up with time as singles have plummeted. It's supply vs. demand. These will be scarce on the market in 2-3 weeks.

BO's still offering strong because they know where these are inevitably headed, and understand how loaded they'll be off simple math crunching. Another gb's wet dream.

Spot on. BO is offering strong (relative to eBay) because they saw what happened with Immaculate Collegiate. The stronger they offer, the more they’ll secure for GBs (aka easy money). Online exclusivity + Zion hype will keep demand high enough (a month ago, I would’ve never said this but I learned my lesson from Immaculate).

NT carries the brand name. I also know the odds of hitting any Zion are better in NT than Immaculate. Speaking of which, anyone know what the difference in odds of hitting an RPA between the two are? That might also impact price. I’d do it myself but I’m currently out of the house AND not sure I’d even compute it right when looking at the 2 checklists.

It’s crazy what a “generational” talent can do to collegiate products. I’m really curious (and scared) to see what happens to NBA products lol.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

Oh I was talking about Immac. Immac boxes are around 850-900 now and the last Zion RPAs are around 1k.

NT is gonna beat that easily. Zion's RPA should be around 2k out of the gate (at least) and boxes will settle around 1500 in a week or so IMO.

For sure, my bad...misread you.

I think Accountant stated he sold an immac box for 1k yesterday? Feel like when those basically disappear off Ebay people will be able to offer whatever they want. It's a niche market, but just so loaded with many other low numbered parallel rpa's and logo patches that still pull decent value. If I were selling I wouldn't be disappointed even at a $850 sale though...that's almost 100% ROI.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Spot on. BO is offering strong (relative to eBay) because they saw what happened with Immaculate Collegiate. The stronger they offer, the more they’ll secure for GBs (aka easy money). Online exclusivity + Zion hype will keep demand high enough (a month ago, I would’ve never said this but I learned my lesson from Immaculate).

NT carries the brand name. I also know the odds of hitting any Zion are better in NT than Immaculate. Speaking of which, anyone know what the difference in odds of hitting an RPA between the two are? That might also impact price. I’d do it myself but I’m currently out of the house AND not sure I’d even compute it right when looking at the 2 checklists.

It’s crazy what a “generational” talent can do to collegiate products. I’m really curious (and scared) to see what happens to NBA products lol.

I can just imagine BO's profit margin on GB's even off an $800 investment. They're going to keep making a killing this year. If it's the same 4-5 rpa per box arrangement we saw in immac...god bless.

[eastbayak]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I can just imagine BO's profit margin on GB's even off an $800 investment. They're going to keep making a killing this year. If it's the same 4-5 rpa per box arrangement we saw in immac...god bless.

Yeah man, I don’t know what break style they typically use for these collegiate products but could see people paying high slot prices by college teams, serial number, hit draft, etc.

If there were multiple Immac 1/1 RPAs and each pulling $15-20k, I’m sure they’ll be multiple NT 1/1 RPAs pulling the same (if not more for brand name alone).

This time, I’ll listen to you/tjforce/etc and hold for a longer amount of time. I left a lot of money on the table with Immac.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by eastbayak

Yeah man, I don’t know what break style they typically use for these collegiate products but could see people paying high slot prices by college teams, serial number, hit draft, etc.

If there were multiple Immac 1/1 RPAs and each pulling $15-20k, I’m sure they’ll be multiple NT 1/1 RPAs pulling the same (if not more for brand name alone).

This time, I’ll listen to you/tjforce/etc and hold for a longer amount of time. I left a lot of money on the table with Immac.

Smart man. Sucks about Zion's situation out the gate, but I think a lot of panic selling is going on with his stuff right now that people will regret. Saw it with Simmons and Embiid despite the fact his injury is nowhere near the same caliber or will hold him out an entire season. Still a ton of his stuff being hit on ebay, so there's still strong demand.

Sealed 2019 wax at msrp is a very low risk proposition.

[Pathora]

The Zion injury hurts these short term. This is a hold until he gets back unless you're in it for the quick flip, or bust if you want to have fun.

[cookingwine]

Originally Posted by Pathora

The Zion injury hurts these short term. This is a hold until he gets back unless you're in it for the quick flip, or bust if you want to have fun.

Does it though? I sold my boxes of FOTL Prizm draft at $300 on Friday as soon as news of his injury came out. They have gone up to $325 in a day since then.

People want Zion. Value on these will go up, and you should hold if you have the ability to, but I don't see these dropping anytime soon. In fact, as soon as these start getting opened, I don't see the price dropping below $1000 again, even as true NBA products come out.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by cookingwine

Does it though? I sold my boxes of FOTL Prizm draft at $300 on Friday as soon as news of his injury came out. They have gone up to $325 in a day since then.

People want Zion. Value on these will go up, and you should hold if you have the ability to, but I don't see these dropping anytime soon. In fact, as soon as these start getting opened, I don't see the price dropping below $1000 again, even as true NBA products come out.

Doesn't really. Lot of players looking strong in this draft this preseason...it'll hold the hobby over more than enough before Zion's return in a few weeks. Plus, Zion's cards will never be 'cheap' within that time span. Sealed wax is going to continue to be hoarded at premiums. There's a lot of Gary V types that are loading up just to hold long term.

[Greek]

Originally Posted by sjay2k

I’m not convinced that’s the case at all. I mean there is one guy who is selling subscriptions but the proof of purchases is fairly limited. Meanwhile there is plenty of evidence that people here on the forums are able to buy FOTL, often multiple units. All things considered the current system (basically a lottery) is really pretty good.

One guy that we know of. If they continue to be successful getting a good amount of boxes and panini doesn't stop them, pretty soon more bots will be developed with same business model as one mentioned in thread

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

For sure, my bad...misread you.

I think Accountant stated he sold an immac box for 1k yesterday? Feel like when those basically disappear off Ebay people will be able to offer whatever they want. It's a niche market, but just so loaded with many other low numbered parallel rpa's and logo patches that still pull decent value. If I were selling I wouldn't be disappointed even at a $850 sale though...that's almost 100% ROI.

I think he literally sold his just before the injury...perfect timing.

The lack of supply would get the prices up again...but why on Earth would anyone pay 1k for a box when a Zion won't even cover that? Only releases where something like this can happen are iconic ones. At the end, Immac, NT and any other releases are gonna be driven by Zion.

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by cookingwine

Does it though? I sold my boxes of FOTL Prizm draft at $300 on Friday as soon as news of his injury came out. They have gone up to $325 in a day since then.

People want Zion. Value on these will go up, and you should hold if you have the ability to, but I don't see these dropping anytime soon. In fact, as soon as these start getting opened, I don't see the price dropping below $1000 again, even as true NBA products come out.

Well, they might have been 350 if he hadn't gotten injured.

I don't think most wax will drop but Zion being injured slows their growth for a bit.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

I think he literally sold his just before the injury...perfect timing.

The lack of supply would get the prices up again...but why on Earth would anyone pay 1k for a box when a Zion won't even cover that? Only releases where something like this can happen are iconic ones. At the end, Immac, NT and any other releases are gonna be driven by Zion.

I agree. But look at almost all the other sealed stuff from previous years. Sealed Prizm FOTL from both baseball and basketball are an easy 100-300% ROI despite the fact you basically have a 1:10 or less chance of landing anything that'll even get you a quarter of your buy in back. It boggles my mind, but sealed wax doesn't always follow singles logic.

Immac still has a ton of low numbered Zions (as evidenced above) still floating around that can more than net you your buy in, and with him being seeded around 1 per 4 boxes, it's not astronomical odds like many other releases. Basically almost assured an rpa of the big 4 in every box in addition to whatever other rpa's or parallels you pull.

I'd say on a 'per average' basis, this is probably one of the best ROI products (near release) Panini's ever put out. Even at $900, you'd probably be hard pressed to come away with less than 30% of your buy in if you purchased multiple boxes. Which is actually a generous figure with majority of the stuff Panini puts out (Immac NBA? 70% bloodbaths).

[TheMaster]

Does panini release a lot of online panini exclusive items? Just getting back in the hobby after a few years. I want to know what to expect this 2019-20 season. Thanks!