Luka Doncic Questionable Autograph Analysis - Page 23

ninjacookies · 06-05-2019, 08:22 PM

Terrible. That video makes it seem like he's signing under federal custody and trying to make sure his stuff matches as close to his accomplice/mom as possible.

rogermaris · 06-05-2019, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TFP

Luka signing Signature Kicks for UD, guessing these won’t be LuLu

https://www.instagram.com/p/ByV4GZhJiUD/

Felt like this sort of evidence would never surface. But I knew what the autos would look like if it did...

Thanks for posting.

rogermaris · 06-05-2019, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Terrible. That video makes it seem like he's signing under federal custody and trying to make sure his stuff matches as close to his accomplice/mom as possible.

It also suggests that the contrived photo of him during a "signing session" was likely staged.

Although it was never a very convincing photo to begin with.

ninjacookies · 06-05-2019, 08:50 PM

So who's going to get the ball rolling with Panini like we did with PWCC/PSA/BGS?

I have his mother's auto that I'm not too fond of.

pcptrade · 06-05-2019, 09:03 PM

After looking at the video of him signing, I can now easily recognize which ones are fake and which ones are authentic based on the proportion of L to U and how the "u" looks like. His authentic autos have a long L (usually non loopy) compared to U and the u is not a clear u, sometimes it looks like i or n

shakobe · 06-05-2019, 09:05 PM

How was the Dak Prescott auto controversy resolved? I feel that if enough noise is made either panini will be forced to come up with a video showing Luka signing as Lulu or they will replace the Lulu autos.

Kingofkings1281 · 06-05-2019, 09:06 PM

You would think if enough people tweet Panini about this that they would have to reply at some point.

dcarado · 06-05-2019, 09:06 PM

Best-case-scenario, what exactly could Panini possibly do? I know they won't do anything, but how could they possibly compensate people if they somehow own up to this? I mean, this is lawsuit territory with the amount of damages here, no?

Kingofkings1281 · 06-05-2019, 09:08 PM

Also, I think it’s pretty funny that UD pretty much opened up the floodgates on this one.

ninjacookies · 06-05-2019, 09:09 PM

I'd think simply bringing this thread to someone someone's attention would suffice? David Sharpe(sp) perhaps?

I mean technically these are fraudulent items, so they'd very much be responsible for making things right. They have an explicit warranty of authenticity on the back of each card.

Kingofkings1281 · 06-05-2019, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I'd think simply bringing this thread to someone someone's attention would suffice? David Sharpe(sp) perhaps?

I mean technically these are fraudulent items, so they'd very much be responsible for making things right. They have an explicit warranty of authenticity on the back of each card.

They would probably just roll out Prizm “Fast Break Nebula” and an apology letter to those that were affected.

pcptrade · 06-05-2019, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rogermaris

It also suggests that the contrived photo of him during a "signing session" was likely staged.

Although it was never a very convincing photo to begin with.

This is what pisses me off. How they staged an act to cover up their mistake.

shakobe · 06-05-2019, 09:16 PM

Quoting from a Beckett article on the Dak Prescott resolution by Panini:

“Panini has issued a statement regarding the questionable 2016 Prizm Dak Prescott autograph redemptions. In it, Panini also drew out their plan of action as far as replacing the cards and announced an extension of an exclusive autograph deal.

Since being notified by Beckett Grading late last week, Panini has tried to recall as many of the cards in question as possible. Some were en route to collectors but were returned before reaching their destination. According to Panini, a total of 167 cards still made it into collectors’ hands.

Panini has asked those that have the original cards, which are believed to have been signed with an autopen, contact the company.”

salthill · 06-05-2019, 09:20 PM

dcarado · 06-05-2019, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shakobe

Quoting from a Beckett article on the Dak Prescott resolution by Panini:

“Panini has issued a statement regarding the questionable 2016 Prizm Dak Prescott autograph redemptions. In it, Panini also drew out their plan of action as far as replacing the cards and announced an extension of an exclusive autograph deal.

Since being notified by Beckett Grading late last week, Panini has tried to recall as many of the cards in question as possible. Some were en route to collectors but were returned before reaching their destination. According to Panini, a total of 167 cards still made it into collectors’ hands.

Panini has asked those that have the original cards, which are believed to have been signed with an autopen, contact the company.”

Big key here... Beckett wouldn't grade the Daks. There's already a ton of BGS and PSA Luka autos out there, so I'm guessing they will ride this out until they get hit with a big lawsuit or something, which won't happen.

Anyone notice the last few RPA sales? Pretty strong.

ninjacookies · 06-05-2019, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingofkings1281

They would probably just roll out Prizm “Fast Break Nebula” and an apology letter to those that were affected.

I'd be happy with a couple boxes...even if it's not the Cantonese Year of the Pig hobby exclusive.

Those with pricey NT cards...probably not.

ninjacookies · 06-05-2019, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dcarado

Big key here... Beckett wouldn't grade the Daks. There's already a ton of BGS and PSA Luka autos out there, so I'm guessing they will ride this out until they get hit with a big lawsuit or something, which won't happen.

Anyone notice the last few RPA sales? Pretty strong.

I don't think cards being unknowingly slabbed as authentic when they aren't has much to do with it. It still voids their guarantee of authenticity issued by the company on each and every autographed card. It's a written contract, plain and simple.

But it may take alerting Beckett/PSA of this situation to jumpstart the process. However, probably not the best timing....

dcarado · 06-05-2019, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

I don't think cards being unknowingly slabbed as authentic when they aren't has much to do with it. It still voids their guarantee of authenticity issued by the company on each and every autographed card. It's a written contract, plain and simple.

I'm just saying, their hand hasn't been forced, even by this video, the way it was with the Dak situation.

ninjacookies · 06-05-2019, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dcarado

I'm just saying, their hand hasn't been forced, even by this video, the way it was with the Dak situation.

Yeah I get ya...updated my original post. I'm curious if there's an actual certified writing expert that can be contacted regarding this situation for a professional opinion that may hold more weight.

dcarado · 06-05-2019, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Yeah I get ya...updated my original post. I'm curious if there's an actual certified writing expert that can be contacted regarding this situation for a professional opinion that may hold more weight.

Hold more weight or hold up in court? I would have to think that's the only thing that's going to get a response from them at this point.

theLUCKYshow · 06-05-2019, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

You lucky's other account?

Waiting for the ban hammer any moment...

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ninjacookies · 06-05-2019, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dcarado

Hold more weight or hold up in court? I would have to think that's the only thing that's going to get a response from them at this point.

Do we know for sure that Panini's even aware of this situation? I'd like to think they have a lot more pressing things to deal with than cruising the BO forums. Any kind of official statement good or bad would at least let us know where they're at.

Lee42 · 06-05-2019, 10:25 PM

Have to laugh someone posted an image of one of the Panini Lulu autos on Twitter in response to UD and they replied with a video of Luka signing the cards! LOL

Epic troll Job!

tier1dc · 06-05-2019, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Anchored verse unanchored has to be relevant here. Trying to be smudge free for the cameras? I don’t know, but I certainly couldn’t keep a consistent signature that way, nor want to sign 1,000s of times unanchored.

no. stop.

TFP · 06-05-2019, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Zedlaw

Anchored verse unanchored has to be relevant here. Trying to be smudge free for the cameras? I don’t know, but I certainly couldn’t keep a consistent signature that way, nor want to sign 1,000s of times unanchored.

So you’re saying Lulu versions are anchored? Sheets of stickers? Really?

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06-05-2019, 09:06 PM	#557
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06-05-2019, 09:08 PM	#559
Kingofkings1281 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 9,613 Kingofkings1281	Also, I think it’s pretty funny that UD pretty much opened up the floodgates on this one. __________________ Always looking for high end Vince Carter, Randy Moss and Tom Brady. http://kingofkings1281.imgur.com

06-05-2019, 09:20 PM	#564
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06-05-2019, 10:25 PM	#573
Lee42 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,291	Have to laugh someone posted an image of one of the Panini Lulu autos on Twitter in response to UD and they replied with a video of Luka signing the cards! LOL Epic troll Job! Attached Thumbnails

06-05-2019, 08:22 PM	#551
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,849	Terrible. That video makes it seem like he's signing under federal custody and trying to make sure his stuff matches as close to his accomplice/mom as possible.

06-05-2019, 08:50 PM	#554
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,849	So who's going to get the ball rolling with Panini like we did with PWCC/PSA/BGS? I have his mother's auto that I'm not too fond of.

06-05-2019, 09:05 PM	#556
shakobe Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 716	How was the Dak Prescott auto controversy resolved? I feel that if enough noise is made either panini will be forced to come up with a video showing Luka signing as Lulu or they will replace the Lulu autos.

06-05-2019, 09:06 PM	#558
dcarado Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 4,575 dcarado56	Best-case-scenario, what exactly could Panini possibly do? I know they won't do anything, but how could they possibly compensate people if they somehow own up to this? I mean, this is lawsuit territory with the amount of damages here, no?

06-05-2019, 09:09 PM	#560
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,849	I'd think simply bringing this thread to someone someone's attention would suffice? David Sharpe(sp) perhaps? I mean technically these are fraudulent items, so they'd very much be responsible for making things right. They have an explicit warranty of authenticity on the back of each card.

06-05-2019, 09:16 PM	#563
shakobe Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 716	Quoting from a Beckett article on the Dak Prescott resolution by Panini: “Panini has issued a statement regarding the questionable 2016 Prizm Dak Prescott autograph redemptions. In it, Panini also drew out their plan of action as far as replacing the cards and announced an extension of an exclusive autograph deal. Since being notified by Beckett Grading late last week, Panini has tried to recall as many of the cards in question as possible. Some were en route to collectors but were returned before reaching their destination. According to Panini, a total of 167 cards still made it into collectors’ hands. Panini has asked those that have the original cards, which are believed to have been signed with an autopen, contact the company.”