Justin Fields Thread

[Grid]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

He was the most bet on player to win the MVP entering the season.

What does that have to do with anything? People put money on him, due to the odds. He was +7000. The implied win probability of +7000 odds is 1.41%.

If you put $100 on Fields to win MVP, you would net $7,100. That is certainly going to drive punters.

Mahomes is +650. Bet $100 win $750. Or roughly 90% less return, than if you bet on Fields and he won it.

If Fields and Mahomes were both +650, then what you are implying is a good argument if people still put money on Justin.

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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Grid

What does that have to do with anything? People put money on him, due to the odds. He was +7000. The implied win probability of +7000 odds is 1.41%.

If you put $100 on Fields to win MVP, you would net $7,100. That is certainly going to drive punters.

Mahomes is +650. Bet $100 win $750. Or roughly 90% less return, than if you bet on Fields and he won it.

If Fields and Mahomes were both +650, then what you are implying is a good argument if people still put money on Justin.

You can spin it your way and I’ll spin it my way.

Fields is trash and is delivering the worst observed to expected ratio in the league right now.

[cnewby]

[Grid]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

You can spin it your way and I’ll spin it my way.

Fields is trash and is delivering the worst observed to expected ratio in the league right now.

But whats your spin? That with 1.41% odds to win MVP, that somehow made him good or hyped?

[EBCollectibles]

Originally Posted by Grid

But whats your spin? That with 1.41% odds to win MVP, that somehow made him good or hyped?

His spin is Fields is trash. Same spin I have. He was really hyped up. Nothing bad is ever his fault. Maybe he can get this coach and OC fired also.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

His spin is Fields is trash. Same spin I have. He was really hyped up. Nothing bad is ever his fault. Maybe he can get this coach and OC fired also.

Read the thread, before you post Junior.

He quoted me saying "The hype wasn't really around Fields in the offseason" And I went on to say it was around what Fields should be doing by year 3 with actual WR, TE, RB and a rebuilt Oline. Not based on Fields actual performance. It was speculation.

And Khal said:

He was the most bet on player to win the MVP entering the season

As if somehow disproving what I posted.

No clue what you are talking about, in regards to my back and forth with him. If he was saying Fields is trash, than why bother stating how many people were putting money on him to win MVP?

[EBCollectibles]

Originally Posted by Grid

Read the thread, before you post Junior.

He quoted me saying "The hype wasn't really around Fields in the offseason" And I went on to say it was around what Fields should be doing by year 3 with actual WR, TE, RB and a rebuilt Oline. Not based on Fields actual performance. It was speculation.

And Khal said:

He was the most bet on player to win the MVP entering the season

As if somehow disproving what I posted.

No clue what you are talking about, in regards to my back and forth with him. If he was saying Fields is trash, than why bother stating how many people were putting money on him to win MVP?

Keep buying into Fields and keep buying Fields.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

Keep buying into Fields and keep buying Fields.

Know you're role, Junior!

[TheFrenzy]

When is Fields getting benched for Bagent?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by EBCollectibles

Keep buying into Fields and keep buying Fields.

Again, you are posting nonsense. Have you read this thread? Where have you seen me tell people to buy Fields? Where have you seen me say I'm buying Fields? I don't own anything Fields. I never bought into the hype.

I have been piling on with the "Fields looks to be a bust now" narrative, the same as most. You are talking out your butt. Which is typical for you.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

When is Fields getting benched for Bagent?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Week 12, as I have been saying for the past 10 days now.

By week 12 they play the Vikings. If Fields still sucks just as hard, I say they bench him during the game, and throw TB17 out there.

That would lead into week 13, which is a bye week for them. That gives Bagent game time against the Vikings. 2 weeks of taking snaps with the 1st team. And then throwing him out as a starter Against Detroit, which will be a home game.

He would make his debut in front of a home crowd, which should soften any butterflies in his stomach.

[jplarson]

Originally Posted by Grid

I have been piling on with the "Fields looks to be a bust now" narrative, the same as most. You are talking out your butt. Which is typical for you.

He has family from Joliet, so..... y'know.

[thenwhatjk]

I feel like people are now so used to flaming the IG influencers who push the Ridders and Howells of the world that they’ve forgotten that actual humans exist that just want to, y’know, pick up stuff of their team’s young QB

[TheFrenzy]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

I feel like people are now so used to flaming the IG influencers who push the Ridders and Howells of the world that they’ve forgotten that actual humans exist that just want to, y’know, pick up stuff of their team’s young QB

Definitely some toxic discourse in the hobby.

Hopefully BUC provides a bit of relief here soon.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by jplarson

He has family from Joliet, so..... y'know.

Ah, that explains why he is so slow on the uptick. You dont live in Joliet because you want to. You live there because you have to. Must run in the family.

[GaslampSports]

Originally Posted by Grid

The hype wasn't really around Fields in the offseason. He was more collateral to:

1) WR room was revamped. Scott drafted, DJ Moore traded for, Kmet locked up long term and Mooney being healthy.

2) RB room being upgraded. D'Onta Foreman picked up, Roschon Johnson drafted and Herbert being healthy.

3) Oline being upgraded. Traded for Dan Feeney, Darnell Wright drafted in the 1st, Nate Davis picked up and both Teven Jenkins and Doug Kramer were supposed to be healthy by now, but aren't.

4) Fields in year 3, two of which in this system, so he should be good with 1-4 taken into consideration.

But in realty, I guess none of that matters. But there were plenty of reasons why Fields was being hyped prior to the start of the season.

Yeah I hear what you're saying. Fields with better tools around him + another offseason under his belt + his natural talent = a potentially unreal season, to me that equates to hype around Fields but again, I know what you mean

I thought he was getting a bit too much love in both the hobby + in the Football world when he's always been a Fantasy Football type QB to me. Not rooting against him, just don't really believe in him as a QB

What are your up-to-date thoughts on him? Technically working so not in the best position to go through this thread in too much detail

[GaslampSports]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

He was the most bet on player to win the MVP entering the season.

Is this real

[Grid]

Originally Posted by GaslampSports

Yeah I hear what you're saying. Fields with better tools around him + another offseason under his belt + his natural talent = a potentially unreal season, to me that equates to hype around Fields but again, I know what you mean

I thought he was getting a bit too much love in both the hobby + in the Football world when he's always been a Fantasy Football type QB to me. Not rooting against him, just don't really believe in him as a QB

What are your up-to-date thoughts on him? Technically working so not in the best position to go through this thread in too much detail

My most up to date thoughts on Fields, is that he "should" be better than what we have seen.

His IQ and reasoning skills are off the charts. Out of the 6500 tests given to pro athletes, Fields held the highest rating ever on an aptitude test. His perfect 130 score, put him in the 1%. Others have scored high as well. Mahomes had a 108. Which is still well below Justin.

He should be able to understand the playbook, evaluate the field and make the correct reads. He isn't a dummy, yet its not clicking for him.

Coming out of college, his accuracy was never an issue. And his deep ball was typically on point. But the NFL is much more based on timing, and leading WR's open. He hasn't gotten that right yet.

As an athlete, he is pretty much second to none. Lamar can run too, but not as fast as Justin. If the team can somehow put things together, he could be dangerous.

But they haven't put things together. They should have a playbook with 30 routes he knows by heart. They should have a bunch of waddles (bootlegs) and rollouts in the playbook. But they dont.

His coaching staff is failing him, by not catering to what he should be able to do. Hell, throw some Wild Cat stuff out there! Have the back take the ball, and let Fields run a sweep. That would keep teams on their heals.

And he is failing his coaching staff. Instead of saying "I cant do this, that you want me to do" and "That play doesnt work for me". He is being a good player, and trying to do what they want. Thats on him.

They all need to sit down, and start figuring it out. Or they all will be out of a job soon.

[GaslampSports]

Originally Posted by Grid

My most up to date thoughts on Fields, is that he "should" be better than what we have seen.

His IQ and reasoning skills are off the charts. Out of the 6500 tests given to pro athletes, Fields held the highest rating ever on an aptitude test. His perfect 130 score, put him in the 1%. Others have scored high as well. Mahomes had a 108. Which is still well below Justin.

He should be able to understand the playbook, evaluate the field and make the correct reads. He isn't a dummy, yet its not clicking for him.

Coming out of college, his accuracy was never an issue. And his deep ball was typically on point. But the NFL is much more based on timing, and leading WR's open. He hasn't gotten that right yet.

As an athlete, he is pretty much second to none. Lamar can run too, but not as fast as Justin. If the team can somehow put things together, he could be dangerous.

But they haven't put things together. They should have a playbook with 30 routes he knows by heart. They should have a bunch of waddles (bootlegs) and rollouts in the playbook. But they dont.

His coaching staff is failing him, by not catering to what he should be able to do. Hell, throw some Wild Cat stuff out there! Have the back take the ball, and let Fields run a sweep. That would keep teams on their heals.

And he is failing his coaching staff. Instead of saying "I cant do this, that you want me to do" and "That play doesnt work for me". He is being a good player, and trying to do what they want. Thats on him.

They all need to sit down, and start figuring it out. Or they all will be out of a job soon.

Thanks for typing that up, good read. Definitely seems like a mess of a situation, hope he gets a shot somewhere else.

Surely at this point...it looks like the Bears will be going QB in the draft? With or without the current front office + coach

[Grid]

Originally Posted by GaslampSports

Thanks for typing that up, good read. Definitely seems like a mess of a situation, hope he gets a shot somewhere else.

Surely at this point...it looks like the Bears will be going QB in the draft? With or without the current front office + coach

That's my understanding, if there isn't a miraculous turnaround. Ryan Poles (Teams GM) was given a list of 3 Head Coaches the McCaskey family (Owners) wanted him to choose from. And they leaned him to Eberflus. Who was hired 72 hours after Poles himself was hired.

That gives Poles a Mulligan. He didn't draft Fields, his predecessor did. And he didn't really hire Eberflus, he was sort of married to him. Poles gets to pick his HC, who can hire his staff in the offseason.

And then Poles and that HC/Staff can pick their QB by drafting high next year.

For the past 15 years, the Bears have been putting the cart in front of the horse. And letting new GM's get stuck with prior staff and high picks. This would be their chance to fix all that.

[packman80]

Originally Posted by Grid

That's my understanding, if there isn't a miraculous turnaround. Ryan Poles (Teams GM) was given a list of 3 Head Coaches the McCaskey family (Owners) wanted him to choose from. And they leaned him to Eberflus. Who was hired 72 hours after Poles himself was hired.

That gives Poles a Mulligan. He didn't draft Fields, his predecessor did. And he didn't really hire Eberflus, he was sort of married to him. Poles gets to pick his HC, who can hire his staff in the offseason.

And then Poles and that HC/Staff can pick their QB by drafting high next year.

For the past 15 years, the Bears have been putting the cart in front of the horse. And letting new GM's get stuck with prior staff and high picks. This would be their chance to fix all that.

Is Poles a real GM or just a empty shirt doing as he's told by ownership.

[Grid]

Originally Posted by packman80

Is Poles a real GM or just a empty shirt doing as he's told by ownership.

Thats the thing, ownership doesn't do anything. They aren't football people. They need people to do stuff. Which is why its all a mess right now.

Ownership formed their own little committee, which was a joke. It was made up of George McCaskey, whose Mom inherited the team from her dad. He isnt a football person.

He then brought in Bill Polian, formerly of the Colts, who is a friend of the family. But has no direct ties to the team, and has been retired from football stuff for a decade at the time.

Ted Philips, who is just their money man, and not a football guy.

Lamar 'Soup' Campbell, who is just a player handler. He was there, to give his take on how young players would react to these new hires. Which is silly.

And Tanesha Wade, who is the teams VP of of diversity, equity and inclusion. To make sure all candidates of color get considered. As if that makes them better coaches or something.

The team F'ed up, by firing the guy that typically hires the coach. Without a GM, they used this committee which doesnt seem like the best idea.

The committee then interviewed everyone. And shared their thoughts with everyone else, on who they liked. Kevin Warren gets hired as President/CEO. 10 days later, Ryan Poles gets hired as GM. And 3 days later, Eberflus is hired as HC.

They kinda tossed 3 guys into a room, who just met and might not be of the same mindset, and said "Go fix this team".

And collectively, so far, they won 3 out of the 20 games they oversaw as a unit.

[WallyatJCCards]

Originally Posted by Grid

If Fields and Mahomes were both +650, then what you are implying is a good argument if people still put money on Justin.

I'm gonna go out on a ledge and say Fields doesn't win MVP hahaha

[Retired hobbist]

Originally Posted by Grid

Thats the thing, ownership doesn't do anything. They aren't football people. They need people to do stuff. Which is why its all a mess right now.

Ownership formed their own little committee, which was a joke. It was made up of George McCaskey, whose Mom inherited the team from her dad. He isnt a football person.

He then brought in Bill Polian, formerly of the Colts, who is a friend of the family. But has no direct ties to the team, and has been retired from football stuff for a decade at the time.

Ted Philips, who is just their money man, and not a football guy.

Lamar 'Soup' Campbell, who is just a player handler. He was there, to give his take on how young players would react to these new hires. Which is silly.

And Tanesha Wade, who is the teams VP of of diversity, equity and inclusion. To make sure all candidates of color get considered. As if that makes them better coaches or something.

The team F'ed up, by firing the guy that typically hires the coach. Without a GM, they used this committee which doesnt seem like the best idea.

The committee then interviewed everyone. And shared their thoughts with everyone else, on who they liked. Kevin Warren gets hired as President/CEO. 10 days later, Ryan Poles gets hired as GM. And 3 days later, Eberflus is hired as HC.

They kinda tossed 3 guys into a room, who just met and might not be of the same mindset, and said "Go fix this team".

And collectively, so far, they won 3 out of the 20 games they oversaw as a unit.

I don't know the specifics but wasn't the grandson of Halas running the team for years and screwing things up and he was forced out in a palace coup?

The Bears also had a club president who seemed to have the job for life and Halas' near hundred year old daughter had final say in all hirings and firings?

Bears fans please give me the details of the last 20 years of this Arizona Cardinals type gong show...