MLB Heading To A Lockout

[fabiani12333]

MLB missed 102 games in 2020. No fans were in attendance for the remaining 60 game regular season and most of the postseason.

That means MLB has recently lost more games than the 1994 strike. If MLB loses the first two months of the 2022 season because of an owner implemented lockout, that would still pale in comparison to the games lost in 2020.

For those implying they'll spend their time and money elsewhere if MLB cancels games -- you can already do that. Nothing is stopping you. If you love MLB now, you'll continue to do so after games are cancelled. Otherwise I would think losing 102 games in 2020 would have already caused you to lose interest.

And dont give me crap about 2020 being unprecedented times. Everything new is unprecedented. Time marches on. Things change. The pandemic isn't even over -- NBA and NFL players are still losing games due to infection.

Kids are preparing to play baseball this spring -- I'm helping my little brother do so. Parents will be focused on those games. That will be the case regardless of whether MLB plays games this spring or not.

High schoolers will be focused on their season -- college players, likewise.

The ones that will truly be hurt by the season not starting on time are the stakeholders with a financial interest in the league -- employees, owners, media, vendors etc.

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

MLB missed 102 games in 2020. No fans were in attendance for the remaining 60 game regular season and most of the postseason.

That means MLB has recently lost more games than the 1994 strike. If MLB loses the first two months of the 2022 season because of an owner implemented lockout, that would still pale in comparison to the games lost in 2020.

For those implying they'll spend their time and money elsewhere if MLB cancels games -- you can already do that. Nothing is stopping you. If you love MLB now, you'll continue to do so after games are cancelled. Otherwise I would think losing 102 games in 2020 would have already caused you to lose interest.

And dont give me crap about 2020 being unprecedented times. Everything new is unprecedented. Time marches on. Things change. The pandemic isn't even over -- NBA and NFL players are still losing games due to infection.

Kids are preparing to play baseball this spring -- I'm helping my little brother do so. Parents will be focused on those games. That will be the case regardless of whether MLB plays games this spring or not.

High schoolers will be focused on their season -- college players, likewise.

The ones that will truly be hurt by the season not starting on time are the stakeholders with a financial interest in the league -- employees, owners, media, vendors etc.

Many owners wanted the entire season cancelled in 2020, if you'd like to know how far they'll go.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

MLB missed 102 games in 2020. No fans were in attendance for the remaining 60 game regular season and most of the postseason.

That means MLB has recently lost more games than the 1994 strike. If MLB loses the first two months of the 2022 season because of an owner implemented lockout, that would still pale in comparison to the games lost in 2020.

For those implying they'll spend their time and money elsewhere if MLB cancels games -- you can already do that. Nothing is stopping you. If you love MLB now, you'll continue to do so after games are cancelled. Otherwise I would think losing 102 games in 2020 would have already caused you to lose interest.

And dont give me crap about 2020 being unprecedented times. Everything new is unprecedented. Time marches on. Things change. The pandemic isn't even over -- NBA and NFL players are still losing games due to infection.

Kids are preparing to play baseball this spring -- I'm helping my little brother do so. Parents will be focused on those games. That will be the case regardless of whether MLB plays games this spring or not.

High schoolers will be focused on their season -- college players, likewise.

The ones that will truly be hurt by the season not starting on time are the stakeholders with a financial interest in the league -- employees, owners, media, vendors etc.

You forgot to mention all the baseball card hodlers and case breakerz- where are they gonna get their profitz from? There will be no lambos this year.

And hopefully wax will get back to affordable again for the real collectors.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Silent George

Many owners wanted the entire season cancelled in 2020, if you'd like to know how far they'll go.

Why did they want the season cancelled?

[speedyjg13]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

You forgot to mention all the baseball card hodlers and case breakerz- where are they gonna get their profitz from? There will be no lambos this year.

And hopefully wax will get back to affordable again for the real collectors.

This guy get it!!!!

People care about the season because of their "card prices". No season = no huge profits when a player gets hot.

Maybe no season = reasonable card prices and people get back their stuff from PSA and BGS finally.

[Silent George]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Why did they want the season cancelled?

no fans in the stands meant not enough revenue to bother operating and paying everyone. baseball itself be damned.

[SearchPatrol]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Can't wait to watch Acuna hitting leadoff on opening day for my World Series Champs.

Ronald Acuna says he’s back in May? https://t.co/weSxfj8TqV

— Connor Grott (@Connor_Grott) October 26, 2021

[awz50]

Originally Posted by SearchPatrol

Ronald Acuna says he’s back in May? https://t.co/weSxfj8TqV

— Connor Grott (@Connor_Grott) October 26, 2021

May might be opening day at this rate

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by Mandy1320

So both sides are going to meet in person on Monday where the MLBPA is set to make their counterproposal.

Why did this take over a week? Wouldn't it be proactive if they already had counterproposals ready to go based on what MLB initially offers? They've had literal months to prepare for this. I just don't understand the lack of urgency from both sides.

You can tell that these aren't real negotiations because the proposals contain everything. When they really get down to business they'll take items one at a time.

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by Silent George

There won't possibly be a deal done until 11:55 on some deadline day, whatever that is. The cancelling of spring training games, regular season, entire season, whatever it happens to be, no one is budging until the last possible second of whatever they aren't willing to give up. So it doesn't even bother me that they aren't meeting, because these aren't good faith negotiations. Those start at, say, 11:52 on a deadline day.

Exactly! The first deadline, IMO, is when Spring Training revenue is threatened.

Originally Posted by Silent George

no fans in the stands meant not enough revenue to bother operating and paying everyone. baseball itself be damned.

60 games is enough for postseason TV revenue to cover player salaries. We learned that in 2020.

[PejaD]

No MLB, no problem. NCAA and minor league (with no players from the 40 man roster) can tide me over for 2022.

[JRX]

Originally Posted by rwperu34

You can tell that these aren't real negotiations because the proposals contain everything. When they really get down to business they'll take items one at a time.

I really do think "negotiations" are a scam by the lawyers. These people have enough money to hire advanced software developers to use a neural network to maximize everyone's take, but instead I'm sure they're printing thousand page documents each time they meet.

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[gododgersfan]

The animosity is deep between MLB and MLBPA. We will see games missed for 2022. Billionaires vs. millionaires and folks with the B just have more money and the luxury for inaction.

[ewokpelts]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

MLB missed 102 games in 2020. No fans were in attendance for the remaining 60 game regular season and most of the postseason.

That means MLB has recently lost more games than the 1994 strike. If MLB loses the first two months of the 2022 season because of an owner implemented lockout, that would still pale in comparison to the games lost in 2020.

For those implying they'll spend their time and money elsewhere if MLB cancels games -- you can already do that. Nothing is stopping you. If you love MLB now, you'll continue to do so after games are cancelled. Otherwise I would think losing 102 games in 2020 would have already caused you to lose interest.

And dont give me crap about 2020 being unprecedented times. Everything new is unprecedented. Time marches on. Things change. The pandemic isn't even over -- NBA and NFL players are still losing games due to infection.

Kids are preparing to play baseball this spring -- I'm helping my little brother do so. Parents will be focused on those games. That will be the case regardless of whether MLB plays games this spring or not.

High schoolers will be focused on their season -- college players, likewise.

The ones that will truly be hurt by the season not starting on time are the stakeholders with a financial interest in the league -- employees, owners, media, vendors etc.

2020 wasn’t a labor dispute.

[yanksfan1]

April games are the least profitable for owners. If giving up a month of games gets them the policies they most desire for the term of the CBA, they'll do it, especially since expanded playoffs to 12 (player's proposal) or 14 (owner's desire) teams is guaranteed, which would more than make up for the revenue lost in that month.

[MOONBASE1]

The few games we do see each year, in regular season, I would not miss anyways if were not broadcast.

[pewe]

Originally Posted by ewokpelts

2020 wasn’t a labor dispute.

What was it?


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[base set]

Maybe at the end only one player will be locked out, the one with the mysterious back medical tests teams can’t see but thinks he is still worth $350 Million regardless. Saw that he hired Boras the other day, an interesting look, half-way through the process.

Aside from that news, lately I have been pondering that as MLB teams are 100% prohibited from contacting any player or agent right now, I wonder if they are filling up the on-the-clock time of all those paid “front office” minions, who are not locked out, by having them simply contact their fellows at other teams, endlessly building new fantasy rosters via complex theoretical four-team trades. And then when the lockout ends, far more players than usual might be changing uniforms.

But overall I expect both “sides” won’t need neural networks to realize that lost games wil equate to lost revenue even after the games start, as fans just say cya with their entertainment budgets headed elsewhere when they finally get to see their not-yet-publicized cost to stream local MLB games, upon which so much will depend for all parties. A happy customer is a more spendy customer.

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

You forgot to mention all the baseball card hodlers and case breakerz- where are they gonna get their profitz from? There will be no lambos this year.

And hopefully wax will get back to affordable again for the real collectors.

2020 provided the lamboz

2021 took it to the impound lot

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by gododgersfan

The animosity is deep between MLB and MLBPA. We will see games missed for 2022. Billionaires vs. millionaires and folks with the B just have more money and the luxury for inaction.

As it should be. MLBPA, with what they have done with Wander RCs, is not to be trusted.

[PLAYED4NOTHING]

Originally Posted by gododgersfan

The animosity is deep between MLB and MLBPA. We will see games missed for 2022. Billionaires vs. millionaires and folks with the B just have more money and the luxury for inaction.

Well, unless Premium81 finally retires his role as Nostradamus, I cannot believe that anything more then a ST game will be lost. Doesn’t happen…

[rwperu34]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

April games are the least profitable for owners. If giving up a month of games gets them the policies they most desire for the term of the CBA, they'll do it, especially since expanded playoffs to 12 (player's proposal) or 14 (owner's desire) teams is guaranteed, which would more than make up for the revenue lost in that month.

The problem with this line of thought is the counter from the players is "fine, then no playoffs unless we get what we want!"

[thecardscout]

may be a stupid question but will minor league play be suspended as well?

[hammertime]

Originally Posted by thecardscout

may be a stupid question but will minor league play be suspended as well?

Nope (except for players on 40 man rosters)

[thecardscout]

Originally Posted by hammertime

Nope (except for players on 40 man rosters)

well thats fantastic news