Jordan Star rookie question - Page 22

EJKaufman · 03-06-2021, 04:32 PM

The card just made a big jump! A BGS 7.5 just sold a few days ago for $42k:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/224361177...2047675.l10137

The previous high sale for a 7.5 was $33,200 at auction this past week. I expect to see a similar size jump of over 25% in the next sales of BGS 8/8.5 Star # 101 cards. Next 8 sale should be 50 plus and next 8.5 sale should be 60 plus.

Brent72 · 03-06-2021, 06:19 PM

The BGS 9 at Heritage last week went for $192k, but this autographed one at Goldin ending tonight is already at $390k. I never would have thought his signature would add another $200k to the card's value!

GOATcards · 03-06-2021, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EJKaufman

The card just made a big jump! A BGS 7.5 just sold a few days ago for $42k:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/224361177...2047675.l10137

Asking of the Star experts here:
The top border on this one is HUGE and the right border looks really big as well. Is this a known size variation for this card?

GOATcards · 03-06-2021, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent72

The BGS 9 at Heritage last week went for $192k, but this autographed one at Goldin ending tonight is already at $390k. I never would have thought his signature would add another $200k to the card's value!

Could just be the rarity of a 9 with his auto on it.

I wonder if current owners of 9s could crack, pay MJ $100K for his sig, and get it regraded for a $200K bump?

Totalpackage · 03-07-2021, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATcards

Could just be the rarity of a 9 with his auto on it.

I wonder if current owners of 9s could crack, pay MJ $100K for his sig, and get it regraded for a $200K bump?

The owner can keep the slab on and ask Jordan to sign it on the slab and then send it to BGS for a secondary grading.

EJKaufman · 03-07-2021, 01:57 PM

PSA 8 Jordan 84 Star 101 sold for between $158,400 (with 20% premium if paid by wire/check) to $162,360 (with 23% premium if paid by credit card) last night. So, in the past couple of weeks we've seen a BGS 9 sell for $192k at Heritage and a very rare PSA 8 sell for about $160k at Goldin. I expect to see a jump in the BGS 8/8.5 Star 101 Jordan's now with sales moving much higher than the last comps.

Diana1984 · 03-07-2021, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by EJKaufman

PSA 8 Jordan 84 Star 101 sold for between $158,400 (with 20% premium if paid by wire/check) to $162,360 (with 23% premium if paid by credit card) last night. So, in the past couple of weeks we've seen a BGS 9 sell for $192k at Heritage and a very rare PSA 8 sell for about $160k at Goldin. I expect to see a jump in the BGS 8/8.5 Star 101 Jordan's now with sales moving much higher than the last comps.

Your probably right. The question is will this card cool off or will it continue to rise? The recent rise is probably due to the scarcity of the card. If real money moves into this card like it did in the 86 Fleer PSA 10, it will go up way up from here. Im just hoping that happens a year or so from now. Because Im still a buyer looking for one.

mkebucks2001 · 03-07-2021, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Diana1984

Your probably right. The question is will this card cool off or will it continue to rise? The recent rise is probably due to the scarcity of the card. If real money moves into this card like it did in the 86 Fleer PSA 10, it will go up way up from here. Im just hoping that happens a year or so from now. Because Im still a buyer looking for one.

Agreed - I'm in the same boat. Are you bidding on that raw one on Probstein? It's not a great example of the card, but it honestly might be my only shot lol

Diana1984 · 03-07-2021, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mkebucks2001

Agreed - I'm in the same boat. Are you bidding on that raw one on Probstein? It's not a great example of the card, but it honestly might be my only shot lol

I want to. Initially we were buyers for a bag at $20K a month or so ago. Look at my first post. I was too cautious to buy it, because half the people on here said you should only buy Beckett graded and the other half said it was real. And look how fast things have moved since that time! $20K for a bag now would be considered a steal! I kept looking at graded and by then it was too late. First I was priced out by 8s, then 7's, 5 and 6's are now too expensive. Now we have come full circle to this ungraded card and I dont want to lose my money of its not real. I honestly dont know what to do anymore.

By the way I do think were are reaching a cooling period, cause the prediction of 8 and 8.5s worth $60K is not ready to be true just yet. Or else this one wouldve sold by now.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Star-1...wAAOSwDF5gQ6Rx

EJKaufman · 03-07-2021, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Diana1984

I want to. Initially we were buyers for a bag at $20K a month or so ago. Look at my first post. I was too cautious to buy it, because half the people on here said you should only buy Beckett graded and the other half said it was real. And look how fast things have moved since that time! $20K for a bag now would be considered a steal! I kept looking at graded and by then it was too late. First I was priced out by 8s, then 7's, 5 and 6's are now too expensive. Now we have come full circle to this ungraded card and I dont want to lose my money of its not real. I honestly dont know what to do anymore.

By the way I do think were are reaching a cooling period, cause the prediction of 8 and 8.5s worth $60K is not ready to be true just yet. Or else this one wouldve sold by now.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Star-1...wAAOSwDF5gQ6Rx

He has it at $70k BIN so you can't make him any offers. Even with weak corners I bet that copy would fetch $50k plus in the current market. Top left corner looks really bad to me.

Why don't you buy this one? Nice subs and looks good. No dinged corners or anything. Centering is not the best but all of these cards are off center L to R:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-Sta...H/143965411306

Diana1984 · 03-07-2021, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EJKaufman

He has it at $70k BIN so you can't make him any offers. Even with weak corners I bet that copy would fetch $50k plus in the current market. Top left corner looks really bad to me.

Why don't you buy this one? Nice subs and looks good. No dinged corners or anything. Centering is not the best but all of these cards are off center L to R:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-Sta...H/143965411306

I didnt notice on that 8 that you cant make an offer. So your right.
The link isnt working for me. Is this the one you are referring to?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-STA...IAAOSwO9VgOD-M

EJKaufman · 03-07-2021, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Diana1984

I didnt notice on that 8 that you cant make an offer. So your right.
The link isnt working for me. Is this the one you are referring to?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-STA...IAAOSwO9VgOD-M

No, that one is a disaster. Wouldn't touch that one. This is the one I was referring to:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-85-Sta...H/143965411306

Incase the link doesn't work it's a BGS 7.5 with 6.5 centering, 9.5 edges, 9 corners, 9.5 surface. Card looks really nice other than the centering left to right. It's listed by a seller called "Caldango" and it at $27,700 right now with 2 days left in the auction. Hope this helps.

Brent72 · 03-07-2021, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by EJKaufman

He has it at $70k BIN so you can't make him any offers. Even with weak corners I bet that copy would fetch $50k plus in the current market. Top left corner looks really bad to me.

That's what drives me crazy about Beckett. My BGS 8 got an 8.5 for corners just like that one and the corners on my card look A LOT better.

And yes, after the recent sales at Heritage and Goldin I think we've reached a point where 8s are going to be a minimum of $50k now. I definitely wouldn't let mine go for anywhere under that.

mkebucks2001 · 03-07-2021, 08:20 PM

I'm thinking about bidding up to $8-9k on the Probstein raw 101, but I don't think that will get me anywhere near winning it. I just can't pay more than that knowing that it might be Authentic Altered, or not even authentic. I think Probstein, PWCC, and Goldin are all so full of #@#@#@#@ to be honest. I have trouble trusting any of them.

Diana1984 · 03-07-2021, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mkebucks2001

I'm thinking about bidding up to $8-9k on the Probstein raw 101, but I don't think that will get me anywhere near winning it. I just can't pay more than that knowing that it might be Authentic Altered, or not even authentic. I think Probstein, PWCC, and Goldin are all so full of #@#@#@#@ to be honest. I have trouble trusting any of them.

Authentic Altered I can I live with. I believe the last authentic altered that sold was around $12K. Fake is worth zero. If you dont think 9K wont win it, then its not even worth it.

mkebucks2001 · 03-08-2021, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Diana1984

Authentic Altered I can I live with. I believe the last authentic altered that sold was around $12K. Fake is worth zero. If you dont think 9K wont win it, then its not even worth it.

There's a newly listed AA for $16.5 OBO....Might be a good shot.

I've also had friends who had BGS Authentic Altered cards being re-graded without that distinction. Considering the incoherent way that BGS is operated, I wouldn't be opposed to buying an AA and resubmitting it a dozen times until I get a 7 back. LOL. Their grading process is far from a science.

GOATcards · 03-08-2021, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mkebucks2001

I'm thinking about bidding up to $8-9k on the Probstein raw 101, but I don't think that will get me anywhere near winning it. I just can't pay more than that knowing that it might be Authentic Altered, or not even authentic. I think Probstein, PWCC, and Goldin are all so full of #@#@#@#@ to be honest. I have trouble trusting any of them.

I've asked this question before: Can you think of a good reason why anyone looking to sell a card this high-profile wouldn't have it third-party graded (TPG) & authenticated? I can't.

Maybe I should start a thread with that question? What's the market-value threshold above which buyers/sellers should really look into TPG?

GOATcards · 03-08-2021, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brent72

That's what drives me crazy about Beckett. My BGS 8 got an 8.5 for corners just like that one and the corners on my card look A LOT better.

I've noticed the same crap. Could inconsistency on subgrades be the biggest knock against BGS? You might have noticed their inconsistent centering subgrades on the 84 Court Kings, which have next to no discernible centering variations.

That, and they really do seem to have generous standards for their "Gem" designation. I was doing a little research into pop-report breakdowns on a few items and got rather consistently results like 75% gem rate from BGS vs 50% from PSA.

mkebucks2001 · 03-08-2021, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATcards

I've asked this question before: Can you think of a good reason why anyone looking to sell a card this high-profile wouldn't have it third-party graded (TPG) & authenticated? I can't.

Maybe I should start a thread with that question? What's the market-value threshold above which buyers/sellers should really look into TPG?

Very good point and I was thinking the same. So you're saying I probably shouldn't take a risk on this item, huh?

2000man · 03-08-2021, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATcards

I've asked this question before: Can you think of a good reason why anyone looking to sell a card this high-profile wouldn't have it third-party graded (TPG) & authenticated? I can't.

Maybe I should start a thread with that question? What's the market-value threshold above which buyers/sellers should really look into TPG?

I bet ballpark 75% of the print run On 101 is still UNGRADED at this time. A lot of guys like me bought these cards many years ago, and are not dialed in with the grading world.
I got my three 101’s graded however they were in person at the national. No chance I was shipping those off. Good luck using the US mail system for the card these days. Friend of mine has a Thurman Munson autograph ball PSA asked him to send it in. He won’t do it because he knows it may not come back ...his job is a mailman so I trust him.

Diana1984 · 03-08-2021, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mkebucks2001

There's a newly listed AA for $16.5 OBO....Might be a good shot.

I've also had friends who had BGS Authentic Altered cards being re-graded without that distinction. Considering the incoherent way that BGS is operated, I wouldn't be opposed to buying an AA and resubmitting it a dozen times until I get a 7 back. LOL. Their grading process is far from a science.

I thought about that too. Lol! Ive read that some have opened bags of these and sent them only to come back as altered. Id really like to know what they look for when it comes to grading it as altered. Because these cards look like they come in all shapes and sizes. I think someone said before that the when these were originally cut, that they were all over the place with some bigger and some smaller. But if thats the case...how does Beckett know which ones are altered and which ones arent?

MattMiller · 03-08-2021, 04:51 PM

They look at the edges/cutting... Buy now before these double again, they will...

mkebucks2001 · 03-08-2021, 05:36 PM

I would bet that if an AA was resubmitted 10 times under different accounts, it would get a grade at least once.

DluA · 03-08-2021, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mkebucks2001

I would bet that if an AA was resubmitted 10 times under different accounts, it would get a grade at least once.

The plot twist... mkebucks2001 actually IS a BGS employee!!

Diana1984 · 03-08-2021, 06:20 PM

The cuts are so bad on these it looks like the ones that grade as unaltered are slightly slanted on the top and are almost all thicker on the right side versus the left. If the card doesnt have that slant and/or equal on the left and right side I guess it was altered?

03-06-2021, 04:32 PM	#526
EJKaufman Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 125 madelawyer	The card just made a big jump! A BGS 7.5 just sold a few days ago for $42k: https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/224361177...2047675.l10137 The previous high sale for a 7.5 was $33,200 at auction this past week. I expect to see a similar size jump of over 25% in the next sales of BGS 8/8.5 Star # 101 cards. Next 8 sale should be 50 plus and next 8.5 sale should be 60 plus.

03-06-2021, 06:19 PM	#527
Brent72 Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Illinois Posts: 697	The BGS 9 at Heritage last week went for $192k, but this autographed one at Goldin ending tonight is already at $390k. I never would have thought his signature would add another $200k to the card's value!

03-07-2021, 01:57 PM	#531
EJKaufman Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 125 madelawyer	PSA 8 Jordan 84 Star 101 sold for between $158,400 (with 20% premium if paid by wire/check) to $162,360 (with 23% premium if paid by credit card) last night. So, in the past couple of weeks we've seen a BGS 9 sell for $192k at Heritage and a very rare PSA 8 sell for about $160k at Goldin. I expect to see a jump in the BGS 8/8.5 Star 101 Jordan's now with sales moving much higher than the last comps.

03-07-2021, 08:20 PM	#539
mkebucks2001 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 496	I'm thinking about bidding up to $8-9k on the Probstein raw 101, but I don't think that will get me anywhere near winning it. I just can't pay more than that knowing that it might be Authentic Altered, or not even authentic. I think Probstein, PWCC, and Goldin are all so full of #@#@#@#@ to be honest. I have trouble trusting any of them.

03-08-2021, 04:51 PM	#547
MattMiller Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 413	They look at the edges/cutting... Buy now before these double again, they will...

03-08-2021, 05:36 PM	#548
mkebucks2001 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 496	I would bet that if an AA was resubmitted 10 times under different accounts, it would get a grade at least once.

03-08-2021, 06:20 PM	#550
Diana1984 Member Join Date: Jan 2021 Posts: 172	The cuts are so bad on these it looks like the ones that grade as unaltered are slightly slanted on the top and are almost all thicker on the right side versus the left. If the card doesnt have that slant and/or equal on the left and right side I guess it was altered?