Right now, where do you rank Lebron all time?

[factoryofsadnes]

My List, personally can't put anyone above my top 3, They made everyone around them better and never had a off day, if shots going in they found a way to still win, lead and contribute either by assists, rebounds and that rare thing......DEFENSE. Watch clips of Bird and Magic, see old games, those two were the most entertaining, hard working, and pure gifted players ever. Russell just way ahead of his time and can't argue with the results, not just a player, leader, also a player coach. He did it all in an era where he had to fight on and off of the court to get his.


Russell-11 rings
Bird- 3 rings
Magic-5 rings
MJ-6 rings
Lebron- 3 rings
Wilt-2 rings
Jabbar-6 rings
kobe-5 rings

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jpstudioedge

Also since when is it about having a good "run?" We call those people losers if they don't win championships. But I guess we don't care about that anymore. Its more about flooding stat sheets and the trendy triple double that no one cared about a 10 years ago. And posting your stats when you lose in the NBA finals lol.

It will be interesting to see what happens at the end of this season. Lots of new media pushed story lines will develop. They will start to talk about KD being the best in the NBA if GS wins and lebrons age, etc, etc. We'll see.

Well, if you want to compare team stats, then sure Lebron loses to MJ all day in that category. If you want to compare players, what Lebron has done the past decade and how he's playing the best basketball of his career at his current age with minimal help, it's Lebron all the way. What we are witnessing is something special.

[jpstudioedge]

Originally Posted by factoryofsadnes

Come on man where's 7 time yes 7 time NBA Champ Robert Horry on that list????
It's all about championships right??? That's what seperates MJ from LaBron so in that thinking Horry is better than both right?

LOL this argument is very weak. Its based on leadership, will to win, ability to win, being the best player on your team who WON championships

This is why the Robert Horry argument doesn't work. Jordans team could have lost several times. Flu game, game 6 of 1998, Jordan did not allow it to happen.

Jordan was about winning. Not stats, or great runs. 6-0

That is why Lebron is 3-5. Why was lebron even in the finals those years? He jumped ship to miami, (still lost, then won in shortened season, ray allen bail out, kyrie irving bail out) then he jumped ship back to play with Kyrie and Love and his new superteam (kyrie backfired so now he's left with the remnants of his crafted team).

[jjohnson814]

Originally Posted by nfunk

If you can't appreciate what LBJ is doing, shame on you.

Stop the comparisons, stop the nonsense, and enjoy what you're witnessing.

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[jpstudioedge]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Well, if you want to compare team stats, then sure Lebron loses to MJ all day in that category. If you want to compare players, what Lebron has done the past decade and how he's playing the best basketball of his career at his current age with minimal help, it's Lebron all the way. What we are witnessing is something special.

Barry bonds was also special when he broke Mcgwires home run record.

[Round Mound]

All those guys take PHD, that's for sure. I mean, how could you be more than 6-5 without medical help?

[factoryofsadnes]

Originally Posted by jpstudioedge

LOL this argument is very weak. Its based on leadership, will to win, ability to win, being the best player on your team who WON championships

This is why the Robert Horry argument doesn't work. Jordans team could have lost several times. Flu game, game 6 of 1998, Jordan did not allow it to happen.

Jordan was about winning. Not stats, or great runs. 6-0

That is why Lebron is 3-5. Why was lebron even in the finals those years? He jumped ship to miami, (still lost, then won in shortened season, ray allen bail out, kyrie irving bail out) then he jumped ship back to play with Kyrie and Love and his new superteam (kyrie backfired so now he's left with the remnants of his crafted team).

Dude it was a JOKE. I mean come on Robert Horry, was just saying all the people saying MJ Better than anyone cause he has 6 rings is stupid. Lots of players have more than MJ. Rings mean nothing in the arguement, heck Wilt only had 2 rings.

[WHyFLy]

MJ
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Kobe
Wilt...

These are all players I would put ahead of Lebron. Statistics play a part of the picture, and for those who say he is the GOAT obviously had no clue what Jordan did to the game.

[factoryofsadnes]

"he jumped ship back to play with Kyrie and Love"

That also is not true. He came back to Cleveland where Kyrie was here (Kyrie just signed an extension not knowing Lebron was coming back) They also hired Blatt to coach Kyrie and the #1 Pick not Bron. Bron comes back, they trade #1 Pick Wiggins month later for Love and then 6 months Later get Ride of Blatt. That's the order of what happend and Bron Didn't jump ship to play with Kyrie and Love, it unfolded later on.

[WHyFLy]

Originally Posted by factoryofsadnes

"he jumped ship back to play with Kyrie and Love"

That also is not true. He came back to Cleveland where Kyrie was here (Kyrie just signed an extension not knowing Lebron was coming back) They also hired Blatt to coach Kyrie and the #1 Pick not Bron. Bron comes back, they trade #1 Pick Wiggins month later for Love and then 6 months Later get Ride of Blatt. That's the order of what happend and Bron Didn't jump ship to play with Kyrie and Love, it unfolded later on.

You honestly believe Lebron had no part in them trading the pick for Love? You also care to ignore his first stint in Miami where he made a huge deal over the television to go to a team stacked so he can win. That's the difference between this joke of an NBA now and the past. Here players honestly believe they have to stack a team filled with all-stars so they can win and ignore that if you buy into a system and bring players who fit that system, then you can succeed. This new "superteam" era is an absolute joke.

[jpstudioedge]

Originally Posted by factoryofsadnes

"he jumped ship back to play with Kyrie and Love"

That also is not true. He came back to Cleveland where Kyrie was here (Kyrie just signed an extension not knowing Lebron was coming back) They also hired Blatt to coach Kyrie and the #1 Pick not Bron. Bron comes back, they trade #1 Pick Wiggins month later for Love and then 6 months Later get Ride of Blatt. That's the order of what happend and Bron Didn't jump ship to play with Kyrie and Love, it unfolded later on.

Yes. Lebron WAS aware that Kyrie was there. Then he had a number 1 pick to play with and pushed to get Kevin Love. So I guess ur right that my sentence didn't tell the full story. However, Lebron knew Kyrie was there and crafted to get a 3rd All star. So therefore going to another superteam.

Take a Karl malone and insert him on the knicks or other really good team for the 90's. They would have had a shot to beat the bulls.

Thats why its even more impressive Jordan stayed put with the same team. Same for Bird, Magic, Kobe.

They didn't artificially try to win a championship by hopping from one good situation to the other. Yes Lebron will have many more opportunities to do this and Im sure he will. But you cannot compare that to those guys.

[jpstudioedge]

Originally Posted by factoryofsadnes

Dude it was a JOKE. I mean come on Robert Horry, was just saying all the people saying MJ Better than anyone cause he has 6 rings is stupid. Lots of players have more than MJ. Rings mean nothing in the arguement, heck Wilt only had 2 rings.

This argument gets used all the time whenever you compare Jordans 6 rings to Lebron to try and take away from Jordan by bringing up Horry.

The 6 ring argument has lots of implied things that I mentioned above. Rings mean everything in the argument. Wilt is not the greatest.

[jpstudioedge]

Originally Posted by Round Mound

All those guys take PHD, that's for sure. I mean, how could you be more than 6-5 without medical help?

Jaw growth size. Direct side effect from HGH. Take a look at Dwade and Lebron in Miami. As well as the Balco incident...which is also in miami. And lebron's mysterious hiatus mid-season in cleveland to go to....?? U guessed it.

[exoticprince]

MJ and Lebron are on another level to the rest of the players that have ever played this game. We will never see anyone like them again in our lifetime. One day Lebron will call it quits, and the game of basketball will never be the same again. Only then will those who refused to appreciate his game realise what he meant to the game and will regret not sitting back and just appreciating it while he was around

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jpstudioedge

Yes. Lebron WAS aware that Kyrie was there. Then he had a number 1 pick to play with and pushed to get Kevin Love. So I guess ur right that my sentence didn't tell the full story. However, Lebron knew Kyrie was there and crafted to get a 3rd All star. So therefore going to another superteam.

Take a Karl malone and insert him on the knicks or other really good team for the 90's. They would have had a shot to beat the bulls.

Thats why its even more impressive Jordan stayed put with the same team. Same for Bird, Magic, Kobe.

They didn't artificially try to win a championship by hopping from one good situation to the other. Yes Lebron will have many more opportunities to do this and Im sure he will. But you cannot compare that to those guys.

That's what's hilarious about your guys arguments. Kyrie was terrible in the East, a conference which is so bad that a player like Kyrie should be able to at least make the playoffs within 3 years of playing. But, nope, Lebron shows up, and now all of a sudden Kyrie is a super team player, lol. So pretty much, any team that Lebron plays for will be considered a super team because they have NBA players on them.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by exoticprince

MJ and Lebron are on another level to the rest of the players that have ever played this game. We will never see anyone like them again in our lifetime. One day Lebron will call it quits, and the game of basketball will never be the same again. Only then will those who refused to appreciate his game realise what he meant to the game and will regret not sitting back and just appreciating it while he was around

Some thing happened with MJ back in the day.

People would say "Pippen spoonfed Jordan" if you could relive that.

Then the guy leaves, we realize as fans what we're missing, and the guy becomes Paul Bunyon

[jpstudioedge]

Originally Posted by pgisback

That's what's hilarious about your guys arguments. Kyrie was terrible in the East, a conference which is so bad that a player like Kyrie should be able to at least make the playoffs within 3 years of playing. But, nope, Lebron shows up, and now all of a sudden Kyrie is a super team player, lol. So pretty much, any team that Lebron plays for will be considered a super team because they have NBA players on them.

Dude was averaging over 20 point per game and whooped up on the olympic team during their scrimmages before lebron joined. He was getting better and better every year. Ur argument does not hold up. Kyrie was a stud and all the players recognized it. It takes a few years for players to develop. Look at Curry. Yes Kyrie was a star.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jpstudioedge

Dude was averaging over 20 point per game and whooped up on the olympic team during their scrimmages before lebron joined. He was getting better and better every year. Ur argument does not hold up. Kyrie was a stud and all the players recognized it. It takes a few years for players to develop. Look at Curry. Yes Kyrie was a star.

Yet in the terrible eastern conference, couldn't even make the playoffs. Hmmmmm... something doesn't add up.

[jpstudioedge]

Originally Posted by tjforce

Some thing happened with MJ back in the day.

People would say "Pippen spoonfed Jordan" if you could relive that.

Then the guy leaves, we realize as fans what we're missing, and the guy becomes Paul Bunyon

Lebrons PEDS scandal almost broke this year. It will soon. I have a feeling he will be remembered like Barry Bonds honestly. Truth always comes out. Do a little research on the story that almost broke this year and then lebrons camp launches the "biochemist trainer" to the media at the exact same time to try and cover the story up.

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[jpstudioedge]

Originally Posted by pgisback

Yet in the terrible eastern conference, couldn't even make the playoffs. Hmmmmm... something doesn't add up.

Take one star.(kyrie)

Add another (lebron). Then add another (love).

1+1+1 = 3 stars in the weak eastern conference.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jpstudioedge

Take one star.(kyrie)

Add another (lebron). Then add another (love).

1+1+1 = 3 stars in the weak eastern conference.

So what you're saying, is one star can't win in the east by themselves? Hmmm... kind of what the rest of us are saying, haha.

[wadedaniel84]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

As of right now,

I have it

MJ
Kareem
Lebron

But Lebron will inevitably take that number 2 spot after he ends his career and breaks virtually every record.

But it's still quality over quantity for me. Give Jordan 4 extra years without college that year layoff and see where his numbers would have ranked. And Jordan will always be the prototype player...his game had zero holes on both sides of the ball. His heart and will to win is unrivaled.

Can and will never say that about Lebron.

SPOT. ON.

[jpstudioedge]

Originally Posted by pgisback

So what you're saying, is one star can't win in the east by themselves? Hmmm... kind of what the rest of us are saying, haha.

I think I am missing your point with the one star thing. Lebron put together a super team is my point. Therefore giving him more chances to get to the finals.

The Eastern Conference has been historically weak for years. Just look at their records. This year has gotten a little better. However, boston is without their two stars.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by jpstudioedge

I think I am missing your point with the one star thing. Lebron put together a super team is my point. Therefore giving him more chances to get to the finals.

The Eastern Conference has been historically weak for years. Just look at their records. This year has gotten a little better. However, boston is without their two stars.

What does Boston have to do to get credit for being a tough team to play? Lmao. They've been without Kyrie and Heyward for a while yet they keep winning. Maybe they're just really good.

My point is, it's hilarious how you Lebron haters talk about how terrible the East is and how easy it is to win in the East, then when Lebron plays with a player that couldn't win in the East, he is blamed for joining a "super team". So logic would dictate, that pretty much any team Lebron plays on in the NBA would be considered a super team. Which is why he's GOAT. Just his mere presence on a team makes it a super team.

[tjforce]

Originally Posted by pgisback

What does Boston have to do to get credit for being a tough team to play? Lmao. They've been without Kyrie and Heyward for a while yet they keep winning. Maybe they're just really good.

My point is, it's hilarious how you Lebron haters talk about how terrible the East is and how easy it is to win in the East, then when Lebron plays with a player that couldn't win in the East, he is blamed for joining a "super team". So logic would dictate, that pretty much any team Lebron plays on in the NBA would be considered a super team. Which is why he's GOAT. Just his mere presence on a team makes it a super team.

The good news is, this poll has spoken.....

Over 50% of the votes have LeBron as top 2. The other 50% has him scattered between 3 and I think one guy who has him at like 30 or something.

In a poll of public opinion, the consensus is that Lebron is a top 2 player.