2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

True and to be fair she seems to do it just as much as anyone else. It was just the other day I was reading and saw her posts and actually thought to myself how passive aggressive she was.

Now a few days later she's complaining about it. And yet in between that time I read posts where she seems level headed and actually nice. She's like a Sour Patch Kid.




If that stat is true I had no idea that many people died in this country annually. If people started pushing that number and put scarier words/graphs/pie charts into the message you could get people to freak out over that as well.

I asked my wife how many Americans lived in this country, she said 25 million. People cannot comprehend just how many people live in this country, and just how many people die. But, when the media brainwashes you with COVID DEATHS for 7+ months, here we are.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

If that stat is true I had no idea that many people died in this country annually. If people started pushing that number and put scarier words/graphs/pie charts into the message you could get people to freak out over that as well.

Last year, we had just under 2.8 million deaths in the U.S. Year before that was a touch higher at 2.9 million. It's been ticking higher for generations now simply because of population size but yea; that's the annual #. In 8 years of Obama, 21.4 million Americans died.

If you want to play with #'s and create a narrative, I can say that COVID deaths in America would represent 1% of American deaths that occured under President Barack Obama.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Don't you do that a lot though. On several occasions I noticed you would end your posts responding to people with a passive aggressive comment. Such as "Go bleep yourself" or how you'd phrase it, "Go Fly A Kite". You do the exact same thing you are bashing others for doing.

I believe you misunderstood my post. Did you see "bashing" there? I was offering my understanding of their situation. I actually said that I understand the strain that has been placed upon them.

It would be helpful to our discussions if you took a moment to understand a comment before you attempt to refute it.

God Bless.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mike1498

To be fair she admitted in that post she does it too.

Thank you.

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[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Thank you.

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Really what BGT should’ve said is why do you think this is a party thing. You’re agreeing with one of the most passive aggressive posters here, JD.

[NeedChapmans]

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by mike1498

Really what BGT should’ve said is why do you think this is a party thing. You’re agreeing with one of the most passive aggressive posters here, JD.

I'm not sure I follow. Perhaps you can help.

The comment I made that was in agreement with JD (I assume that's jdandns) was about a group that tends to attack certain posters and the language they would prefer to be allowed to use. I'm not sure why you assumed that was partisan. I see it from many posters.

To be fair though, I did know JD was alluding to the group of Trumpers here. I personally nleft that part open to interpretation and simply said certain posters (or something similar).

And yeah, I know I can get passive aggressive at times. Most of those times I am joking or being sarcastic, but I know that at times I am not the best possible version of myself and that I fall short of perfection.

I do not, however, think in terms of the words I "feel" others wish they could say. Those terms rarely enter my mind.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

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This is awesome

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[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

I asked my wife how many Americans lived in this country, she said 25 million. People cannot comprehend just how many people live in this country, and just how many people die. But, when the media brainwashes you with COVID DEATHS for 7+ months, here we are.

Without looking I figure we have around 350 million. I asked my girlfriend and she won't answer because she had no clue. I seriously had no idea how many people died, I though maybe a million or so.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Last year, we had just under 2.8 million deaths in the U.S. Year before that was a touch higher at 2.9 million. It's been ticking higher for generations now simply because of population size but yea; that's the annual #. In 8 years of Obama, 21.4 million Americans died.

If you want to play with #'s and create a narrative, I can say that COVID deaths in America would represent 1% of American deaths that occured under President Barack Obama.

I'd like to consider myself fairly intelligent but honestly had no clue about the amount of deaths. if that number was shocked to me I can only imagine how many people you could scare trying to form a narrative and twisting the facts around a little. 1:300 Americans die each year sounds scary when you're hearing it for the first time.

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I believe you misunderstood my post. Did you see "bashing" there? I was offering my understanding of their situation. I actually said that I understand the strain that has been placed upon them.

It would be helpful to our discussions if you took a moment to understand a comment before you attempt to refute it.

God Bless.

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I am not going to lie, how you finished that post was like coming down Christmas Morning as a child and seeing that one gift you waited all year for.

Not sure if it was done in jest or in seriousness, probably a bit of both, but it got a good laugh out of me.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Well to be fair, I think we're up to about 2.5 million Americans this year overall. Seems strange to focus on 8% of deaths in this country if the narrative is to talk about death.

Well, because many people feel that a significant portion of that 8% is not only premature death, but preventable.

The narrative is to talk about a large number of premature, preventable deaths.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

Without looking I figure we have around 350 million. I asked my girlfriend and she won't answer because she had no clue. I seriously had no idea how many people died, I though maybe a million or so.
I'd like to consider myself fairly intelligent but honestly had no clue about the amount of deaths. if that number was shocked to me I can only imagine how many people you could scare trying to form a narrative and twisting the facts around a little. 1:300 Americans die each year sounds scary when you're hearing it for the first time.

Not 1:300.

1:125.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

I am not going to lie, how you finished that post was like coming down Christmas Morning as a child and seeing that one gift you waited all year for.



Not sure if it was done in jest or in seriousness, probably a bit of both, but it got a good laugh out of me.

This made me smile. Thank you for that. (Seriously)

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Well, because many people feel that a significant portion of that 8% is not only premature death, but preventable.

The narrative is to talk about a large number of premature, preventable deaths.

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Really?

Do you know how many of these 2.8 million annual deaths could have been prevented and were premature because people simply didn't take care of themselves? Alcohol, drugs, smoking, obesity etc.

COVID is a drop in the bucket if you want to go down the preventable road.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Not 1:300.

1:125.

1:125! Alright now I'm scared. What are you selling? How much is it? And sign me up.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

They're drug dealers. Getting rich off of delivering fixes to Dems who watch videos and look at ads and yell "SLAY" in their dreams.

The highs are amazing.

Well, that, plus some nice wine, and watching online fundraisers featuring live presentations by the original stars of movies and TV shows like "Princess Bride", "Fast Times at Ridgemont High", "Spinal Tap", and "Happy Days", mostly all of whom staunchly oppose the Trump criminal enterprise for the benefit of the Wisconsin Democratic effort. I'm watching "Rocky Horror" live right now, and am still hoping Scott Baio accepted the late invitation to play Frank N. Furter for a scene.

Two trick or treaters just now, first of the night. I single-handedly tripled their hauls...

[yanksfan1]

Whatever the result of the election is, I just hope it's not close enough for any SCOTUS intervention to be the difference maker

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I'm not sure I follow. Perhaps you can help.

The comment I made that was in agreement with JD (I assume that's jdandns) was about a group that tends to attack certain posters and the language they would prefer to be allowed to use. I'm not sure why you assumed that was partisan. I see it from many posters.

To be fair though, I did know JD was alluding to the group of Trumpers here. I personally nleft that part open to interpretation and simply said certain posters (or something similar).

And yeah, I know I can get passive aggressive at times. Most of those times I am joking or being sarcastic, but I know that at times I am not the best possible version of myself and that I fall short of perfection.

I do not, however, think in terms of the words I "feel" others wish they could say. Those terms rarely enter my mind.

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Fair. Just for future reference, if he’s being passive aggressive it isn’t towards Dems.

It wasn’t your comment. It was who you were agreeing with. He was basically saying that the right is passive aggressive.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

Whatever the result of the election is, I just hope it's not close enough for any SCOTUS intervention to be the difference maker

This is the exact correct take. Every American needs to be OK with an election win from either Biden or Trump.

My only fear is that we are sitting on Pennsylvania or Michigan for 10 days at which point the entire country hates each other. There can be no real and fair winner if one of these two morons of a state screw this up. Why Pennsylvania refuses to canvas pre-election is beyond me; especially considering the large # of votes they have coming in via mail but I truly hope it does not rest on PA's shoulders.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by BGT Masters

1:125! Alright now I'm scared. What are you selling? How much is it? And sign me up.

You'll forget all of this in three days and will be fine.

[ckjr4929]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

Let's say I tested once a week, we'll call it a Saturday, and results come with a few hours. Now, I am negative.

This isn't how quickly many people receive test results, which is part of the problem.

I get COVID that night. I go to church on Sunday, go to work Monday through Friday, went out to eat on Thursday, went shopping on Friday. Next thing you know, thousands of people could have been exposed. Contract tracing can only do so much.

Sure, but a system of contact tracing (and clearer messaging about why it's so important) would do something for the thousands (more likely) dozens of people who were exposed. There are contact tracing jobs available in every state, but far less than there should be, and distrust of contact tracing is very high in the US.

But if you're against more lockdowns, then more robust contact tracing is invaluable, at least based on the evidence available about how to return to "normal."

Not to mention, this would create jobs (even if they're temporary until a vaccine) at a time when many industries are decimated.

Now, looking back during the lockdowns of March, maybe that should have been done more. However, you and I know you aren't getting 340 million people on that page.

I agree 100% with your last line, and I think that may be the only thing that 340 million people in this country would agree on.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I hope everyone is having fun! New captcha's coming in a few days!

16 images of Trump's America after less than 4 years.
Imagine it after 8.
Devastatingly poignant.
Thank you for this.

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Last year, we had just under 2.8 million deaths in the U.S. Year before that was a touch higher at 2.9 million. It's been ticking higher for generations now simply because of population size but yea; that's the annual #. In 8 years of Obama, 21.4 million Americans died.

If you want to play with #'s and create a narrative, I can say that COVID deaths in America would represent 1% of American deaths that occured under President Barack Obama.

This covid business happened when Trump was President, though.
The lingering shutdown that resulted, too.

Obama would have been roasted even worse than Trump gets it had he made even one of Donald's myriad mistakes.

Catch up, man, geez!

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Last Des Moines Register Poll just came out ... has Trump +7 which NO ONE expected.

This poll had a tie in mid-September. Odds went up to Trump (-440) after the release of the poll and this poll also has Ernst +4 in the Senate.

IOWA is over and it's making me rethink my Wisconsin money!

chaps: the cheerleading is getting tiring.



trump's got this in the bag.

[yanksfan1]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

This is the exact correct take. Every American needs to be OK with an election win from either Biden or Trump.

My only fear is that we are sitting on Pennsylvania or Michigan for 10 days at which point the entire country hates each other. There can be no real and fair winner if one of these two morons of a state screw this up. Why Pennsylvania refuses to canvas pre-election is beyond me; especially considering the large # of votes they have coming in via mail but I truly hope it does not rest on PA's shoulders.

PA cannot canvass before election day per state law. Under normal circumstances, they could easily process them on election day because before this year there weren't that many. But there are going to be upwards of 3M this year (2.37M already in), of which current returns show registered Dems returning over 1M more than the GOP. This basically guarantees that before these are counted, Trump will be in the lead.

Now why don't they just change the law? The short answer is that the state GOP said no. It sounds cynical but my interpretation is that they want there to be mass confusion and distrust in the result in hopes that they can get SCOTUS to intervene on their behalf regarding late-arriving ballots or the whole "naked" ballot issue. Will it work? We'll find on not Tuesday, but in the days after. Of course, there is the possibility that Trump or Biden have the requisite 270 EVs already at which point the decision would not particularly matter for this election but could set precedent for future ones.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

PA cannot canvass before election day per state law. Under normal circumstances, they could easily process them on election day because before this year there weren't that many. But there are going to be upwards of 3M this year (2.37M already in), of which current returns show registered Dems returning over 1M more than the GOP. This basically guarantees that before these are counted, Trump will be in the lead.

Now why don't they just change the law? The short answer is that the state GOP said no. It sounds cynical but my interpretation is that they want there to be mass confusion and distrust in the result in hopes that they can get SCOTUS to intervene on their behalf regarding late-arriving ballots or the whole "naked" ballot issue. Will it work? We'll find on not Tuesday, but in the days after. Of course, there is the possibility that Trump or Biden have the requisite 270 EVs already at which point the decision would not particularly matter for this election but could set precedent for future ones.

100% guaranteed that Trump is well ahead in PA when everyone goes to sleep Tuesday night. To my recollection, 11 counties in PA won't even begin the process of opening mailed ballots until Wednesday; so there will be 0's on the board in terms of those votes; largely democratic we assume.

Then everyday, for as many days as it takes, that Trump lead will be cut into. I can see it now; every major news network having a breaking story at 6pm to let the country know of how many votes Trump leads by and what the likeliness of him losing the lead is.

It won't be good. And I do hope someone has the votes before that drama begins.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

chaps: the cheerleading is getting tiring.

trump's got this in the bag.

I will say that in the betting markets; tonight ... the money has come in extremely strong on Trump across all states. He's now a favorite in AZ and NC, huge favorite in OH, IA, TX; almost -200 in Florida. The level of dem sweat tonight is a little ridiculous IMHO but people are getting nervous. There are plenty of signs that Dems are in trouble if you look for them.

But there are also plenty that say Trump is in trouble in the north. I still think Biden wins, but I'm less sure of it today than I was yesterday.