2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Ah, back to the "I don't see it" response. Again, well done.

You not getting it doesn't make it less true.

And you posting ridiculous analogies doesn't make them valid.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Before I break this one as well, I want to be clear. You're no longer talking of a mast mandate in public, just one indoors?

Outdoor public gatherings, no masks are OK yes?

Yes.

As far as I know, mask mandates (at least here) are only indoors, where airflow is a concern.

Outdoor public gatherings are okay (in terms of the mandate we have), but a bit of distancing is still encouraged.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Smoking is allowed in bars and casinos. If I want to go to one of those places, do I get to tell everyone inside to stop smoking?

No.

Many bars/casinos are non-smoking or have non-smoking sections. Freedoms are balanced.

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[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by HBMC

Cite an actual study that shows efficacy of masks to prevent the spread of 'rona. Not mere anecdotal numbers, but the raw efficacy of spreading an airborne virus in a controlled study. Every nation that has implemented mandatory masking has had a wave (the Czechs are going through was most of Europe already did and they're getting an acute form of a wave).

I can say, with 100% certainty, that you cannot cite a study that would reflect your conjecture here because no such study exists.

The Government of Denmark commissioned a study, and JAMA, Lancet and the NEJM all refused to simply review it. Denmark is not an unserious nation in many ways, not a conspiratorial person on a compound in BFE America, one of the more left leaning governments in Western Europe, had controlled study (of 6,000 Danes) about the efficacy of mask usage that hasn't been published by three of the more prestigious medical journals on the planet. Why would they refuse to scrutinize a comprehensive study? This information could save the lives of millions if it were to show that masks are efficacious in stopping the spread...unless they actually don't.

https://www.rigshospitalet.dk/presse...tlige-rum.aspx

Commissioned in April, yet unpublished as of yet.

They aren't asking to have their study validated, they're asking for scrutiny and no one has the balls to publish it. That, my delusional friend, is a sign that this has nothing to do with saving people's lives.

Here's a study that refutes the point of wearing cloth/medical masks had no bearing on preventing the spread of any respiratory virus and shows the absolute danger of protracted wearing of cloth masks for long periods of time:

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577




Here's another study showing that a perfect, sealed, application of an N95 still allowed for the transmission of viral particles through the N95 mask.

https://msphere.asm.org/content/5/5/e00637-20

Not only does the excessive mask wearing present an air of invulnerability amongst people who do not normally wear masks (who routinely wear the same mask without cleaning it and touch them all of the time, thus rendering them useless), but it acts as a fomite to spread the virus more. Rebreathing your own air is also extremely unhealthy unless it is filtered first.

I had some experience using an N95 while I was doing some sheetrock work a while back (late summer). I had some minor hypoxia, a horrible sweat mustache/goatee and I had some lightheaded feeling after wearing that mask for less than 20 minutes. Now imagine wearing one (properly) all day long? How is that humid cloud inside your mask going to somehow not be a breeding ground for things like strep throat, colds or other respiratory viruses?

I had the 'rona, it wasn't the worst thing I've ever had (I had H1N1 and that was way worse) but it wasn't just a sniffle (I had some discomfort in my chest, an annoying cough and fatigue, but no fever or loss of taste/smell). No one around me got any symptoms or sick. I have a weakened mother from chemotherapy and her subsequent broken back (who I help take care of) and an 84 year old Grandma who I see all of the time. Neither one has been sick with 'rona in the last 8 months.

The long term ramifications of your Medieval understanding of medicine and the immune system is not to be unexpected, most people don't pay attention to anything outside of their tiny bubble for a 5 minute window. People are dying because they are unhealthy (whether they are overweight, have poor nutrition [particularly acute vitamin deficiencies] or other factors). Many of the older folks who are dying from this virus were already on their way to dying this year and unfortunately this virus sped up the process. We can still be a mature society that understands that death is a part of life and sheltering the infirm while the healthy can fight off a respiratory virus is how society has always worked. When we try to fight it, it backfires (much like 1918 with the Spanish Flu, which had a median age of death of 28, not 79).

If you are ambulatory, go outside and breathe some fresh air, eat some damned Vitamin D and Zinc. Odds are you aren't going to die or even have enough virus particles to even spread it. We have treatments, and many are widely available. This virus is a pushover. Quit living in fear.

This: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7444649/ is a long term nightmare. Unintended consequences of psychological trauma aren't easily predictable and can lead to major developmental problems in children as they age. How many children are going to develop symptoms of autism because they struggle to read faces? Not that they are autistic, but they lack the natural ability to read faces because they were around a bunch of people wearing masks when they were toddlers? How about speech therapy that will need to be performed on children who never learned how to lipread?

This is generationally abusive.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16441251/

Apparently this isn't an unknown phenomena on the globe. Taxing your lungs for oxygen is not "healthy" and doesn't exactly help your body fight off infections.

Our immune systems are pretty incredible if you let them do their job.

So yes, take your unearned sanctimony to someone else. The insistence on masks isn't helping anyone.

I didn't know if masks worked or not. I wear one when I have to and only because I have to, and avoid large indoor gatherings otherwise. Finding worthwhile information is difficult, but this post is packed with it. Lots of research and good info here. Much appreciated.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

No.

Many bars/casinos are non-smoking or have non-smoking sections. Freedoms are balanced.

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Oh my. Many bars and casinos also allow smoking anywhere inside the place. Shut them down?

[JustRachel]

C'mon guys, this is ridiculous.

Pretty much every reputable medical professional in the world says we should wear masks in certain places. This whole argument is silly.


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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

No.

Many bars/casinos are non-smoking or have non-smoking sections. Freedoms are balanced.

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How did this happen?!?!

Hint: (it's not a mandate)

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

C'mon guys, this is ridiculous.

Pretty much every reputable medical professional in the world says we should wear masks in certain places. This whole argument is silly.


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Also hint: (There aren't any reputable medical professionals left in the world. Stop believing there are and put the work in yourself)

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Oh my. Many bars and casinos also allow smoking anywhere inside the place. Shut them down?

Shut yourself down. That'd be the play.

Do grocery stores allow smoking? Anywhere? How about banks? Light up at the DMV.

C'mon. Apples to hand grenades.


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[pac213up]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Just invested $4,000 into Biden winning Wisconsin. -250 odds.

How can I see a poll from ABC that has Biden +17 in Wisconsin and think Trump has any kind of chance? There are +7 polls and then there are +17 polls. Thinking about putting another 10k in tomorrow. Couldn't resist.

Somebody tell me that a 57-40 poll five six days out can result in a Trump W. I mean how?!?!?!?!

The aggregate of polls supports your bet. I would not be to concerned with the obvious outliers.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Also hint: (There aren't any reputable medical professionals left in the world. Stop believing there are and put the work in yourself)

Huh?

Hello, Deep End? Give a warm welcome to your newest resident, NC.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

How did this happen?!?!



Hint: (it's not a mandate)

Depends where you are. Some places it is mandated.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Oh my. Many bars and casinos also allow smoking anywhere inside the place. Shut them down?

I sincerely hope you don't teach civics, lol.

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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Shut yourself down. That'd be the play.

Do grocery stores allow smoking? Anywhere? How about banks? Light up at the DMV.

C'mon. Apples to hand grenades.

Your reactions are tragic. Are you out campaigning against all indoor smoking? If not, you're just full of hypocritical faux outrage.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I sincerely hope you don't teach civics, lol.

Why? Absolutely nothing about that post was incorrect. Don't get angry that your contradictions are being exposed.

[coachnip13]

If I go into Publix - legally - without a mask, I am infringing on your rights.
If I smoke inside a bar - legally - "I hope you don't teach civics, lol".

That was too easy.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Your reactions are tragic. Are you out campaigning against all indoor smoking? If not, you're just full of hypocritical faux outrage.

I personally don't see any indoor smoking.

Moreover, there is no outrage here. You are not important enough to get that reaction from me, no matter how hard you troll.

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[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

If I go into Publix - legally - without a mask, I am infringing on your rights.
If I smoke inside a bar - legally - "I hope you don't teach civics, lol".

That was too easy.

Here in Miami you cannot go into a publix legally without a mask.

That was too easy, lol.

This is actually a simple concept, yet somehow it feels like explaining astrophysics to a goldfish. Yeah, I hope you don't teach civics.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I personally don't see any indoor smoking.

Well, that settles it. If YOU don't see it, then it must not exist.

Here in reality, it is legal to smoke in bars and casinos. Does that bother you? What are you doing to fight it?

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Here in Miami you cannot go into a publix legally without a mask.

That was too easy, lol.

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Again, these issues don't just apply in your little area of Hialeah.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Funny, a pandemic responsible for over a million deaths this year doesn't scare you, but a little girl does.

Buy more guns. You'll be okay.

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I enjoyed your posts at one time even though I think your Trump hate is ridiculous, but that ship sailed about a week or so ago.
One, I'm certainly not afraid of that "little girl" but don't look forward to the optics of arguing in a public setting with anyone let alone a younger female which I'm sure would likely end with me telling said young lady to eff off.
Two, I don't currently own a single gun, although I've been giving it serious thought.

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[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I sincerely hope you don't teach civics, lol.

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Originally Posted by coachnip13

Why? Absolutely nothing about that post was incorrect. Don't get angry that your contradictions are being exposed.

Still waiting to hear what any of that had to do with civics.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

Again, these issues don't just apply in your little area of Hialeah.

I don't live in Hialeah, lol.

And I don't really have time to keep discussing simple concepts just because you either can't grasp them or are too blinded by your hatred to try.

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[cnewby]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I personally don't see any indoor smoking.

Moreover, there is no outrage here. You are not important enough to get that reaction from me, no matter how hard you troll.

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you got mad last night, took your ball, and went home. People in here are more important to you than you admit.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by Astros19

I enjoyed your posts at one time even though I think your Trump hate is ridiculous, but that ship sailed about a week or so ago.
One, I'm certainly not afraid of that "little girl" but don't look forward to the optics of arguing in a public setting with anyone let alone a younger female which I'm sure would like likely end with me telling said young lady to eff off.
Two, I don't currently own a single gun, although I've been giving it serious thought.

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If you did argue in public with that girl, it would certainly be recorded and then edited to portray you as an evil Trump-loving monster.