2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Tell me that when someone you love tests positive.

I hear you, I do.

I don't need to be here right now, I guess. See ya tomorrow.

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Who cares if someone tests positive. This mindset is why no one can move forward. It reminds me of the AIDS epidemic in the 80s. Except with this, you'll survive if you are under 80 and you have a small chance of dying if you're above it.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Tell me that when someone you love tests positive.

I hear you, I do.

I don't need to be here right now, I guess. See ya tomorrow.

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I know more people diagnosed with cancer then COVID. Cancer is much more dangerous. I lost my dad, probably my mom, 2 grandfathers, and my best friend to cancer. I do not get angry when I see people smoking, driving cars, or doing a million other things that cause cancer. I’m sorry if I come across as insensitive due to your situation but trust the science and statistics. I’m sure you all will be fine.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Tell me that when someone you love tests positive.

I hear you, I do.

I don't need to be here right now, I guess. See ya tomorrow.

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You're talking to the wrong person if you're looking for anything but an "atta boy" when it comes to contracting this virus.

I'm sorry. Just know that if you're between the ages of 21-50, you have a 49,999 out of 50,000 chance of being completely fine. And if you're relatively healthy in that group, add a zero to both numbers.

Get a good night sleep, bash Trump to your friends and call me in the morning. You'll feel much better!

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

This makes me angry. Like, literally angry.

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Reeee. Lock yourself in your house then liberal. Your life your choice.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I don't give a damn what Pennsylvania says. Federal election means Federal rules. SC just voted on this two days ago; a state cannot overrule Federal law as a "states rights" issue when the election is Federal.

If Pennsylvania wants to create crazy rules for their state house races; cool beans. But if you're nominating Congress members and Presidents, you've got to stick to Federal guidelines. And if you wanna change those; get 2/3rds of the states on board and get crackin!

I'm not sure where you're getting this information, but it's incorrect.

What the Supreme Court actually sided with was state rules...specific to the state. The Wisconsin rules are different than Pennsylvania and North Carolina. The SC supported the status quo in Wisconsin in not allowing change to the existing, established state laws.

Again, state rules, not federal.

There are very few federal rules when it comes to election control over the state laws.

Surely you know this, and it's obvious considering how some states divvy up their electoral votes.

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

The whole post was missing the point though.

We're talking about votes that come in after election day. Count for a month if you have to ... but to accept votes after November 3rd is not gonna fly. If it is tested in the SC, the person who was winning before you counted late votes will be declared the winner. Guaranteed.

Why not?

If I send me ballot out today, but it takes the post office 10 days to deliver it and it shows up next Friday, why should my vote not count?

I submitted my vote 6 days before the election, is it my fault that the post office took 10 days to deliver it?

Also, why has this NEVER been an issue in the past?

It's only an issue this year because of the pandemic causing more people to want to vote by mail, and because the GOP and President know that the odds are more Biden voters will vote by mail than Trump voters, so they're trying to discredit the process and cause issues that have never been a serious issue for them in the past.

There is no rule or law ANYWHERE that says elections should be known who the winner is on election night, you should count as long as you need to in order to count every person who voted by election day.

Please tell me the reason someone who votes today shouldn't have their vote counted because the Post Office sucks?

Also you're guarantee is very up in the air, mainly because it's going to be impossible to separate the counts of ballots received after election day (but post marked before) and those that were received before but counted afterwards due to the volume of ballots to process.

In Pennsylvania for example, who currently will still count votes received up to 3 days after election day if they are post marked prior.... If say Trump is winning after counts on election night, but in the next 3 days Biden takes the lead, there will be no way for them to know if that was caused by ballots that arrive late or just those that may already be delivered to polling places but don't get counted for a couple days after election day due to the volume of ballots to process.

If the SC doesn't change that decisions BEFORE the election, there will be no way for them to distinguish it a month later if it's fought in the courts. They can't say any votes counted past election day won't be counted as they would never be able to separate those votes by the ones received before and those after election day.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Why not?

If I send me ballot out today, but it takes the post office 10 days to deliver it and it shows up next Friday, why should my vote not count?

If the SC doesn't change that decisions BEFORE the election, there will be no way for them to distinguish it a month later if it's fought in the courts. They can't say any votes counted past election day won't be counted as they would never be able to separate those votes by the ones received before and those after election day.

(1) Because it did not arrive in time. If you want your vote to count, go drop it off yourself, go vote in person. You roll the dice w/ the great USPS. (And Federal law is clear).

(2) You assume something not true. Every district has election officials from both R and D camps and you can bet that every single poll will record votes that come in after election day. To think they're not distinguishable is nonsense. You're just making stuff up.

This isn't a TV show where the guy just tosses all the late votes into a big pile and says "Oops, I guess we'll never know how many there were now!" LOL.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

(1) Because it did not arrive in time. If you want your vote to count, go drop it off yourself, go vote in person. You roll the dice w/ the great USPS. (And Federal law is clear).

(2) You assume something not true. Every district has election officials from both R and D camps and you can bet that every single poll will record votes that come in after election day. To think they're not distinguishable is nonsense. You're just making stuff up.

This isn't a TV show where the guy just tosses all the late votes into a big pile and says "Oops, I guess we'll never know how many there were now!" LOL.

Please, show this federal law.

This is standard practice, overseas votes routinely come in well after Election Day. And they count.

Enough.

You are 100% wrong here.

[coachnip13]

Originally Posted by zonacats8

Why not?

If I send me ballot out today, but it takes the post office 10 days to deliver it and it shows up next Friday, why should my vote not count?

I submitted my vote 6 days before the election, is it my fault that the post office took 10 days to deliver it?

This is just weird to me. There are deadlines in life. If you leave it in someone else's hands, sometimes you miss deadlines.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by babyfaceposey

The amount of people scared of covid is pathetic in this thread. I refuse to wear a mask anymore. I am 39 years old. Governement said they didn't work then they did. Stop locking yourself in your house and live your life people. People have almost wasted a year of their life in fear with an extremely low death rate.

The mask is to protect others. C'mon guys, we should be well past understanding this concept by now.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by coachnip13

This is just weird to me. There are deadlines in life. If you leave it in someone else's hands, sometimes you miss deadlines.

I don't know where this attitude is coming from but if the state told me that my ballot would be counted if I had it postmarked by 11/2 and then after I mail it in, they say, naw fam, it's not good anymore, how the hell is that fair? We are a week from the election deadline and we are playing games. This is unacceptable for this process. We've had months to get ready but now people want to play politics to try and game the system. It really is pretty sad.

Again, people are going by the rules as was told to them. They are now changing the rules less than a week from the election deadline. This should be across the board unacceptable to the people. How anyone is defending this is beyond me.

[lietuvalabas]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

(1) Because it did not arrive in time. If you want your vote to count, go drop it off yourself, go vote in person. You roll the dice w/ the great USPS. (And Federal law is clear).

(2) You assume something not true. Every district has election officials from both R and D camps and you can bet that every single poll will record votes that come in after election day. To think they're not distinguishable is nonsense. You're just making stuff up.

This isn't a TV show where the guy just tosses all the late votes into a big pile and says "Oops, I guess we'll never know how many there were now!" LOL.

not sure why, but this reminds me of homer simpson paying his taxes

https://youtu.be/TdGtrvCaras?t=253

[DegaBama]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

The mask is to protect others. C'mon guys, we should be well past understanding this concept by now.

LOL. Nope. They tried that too, not falling for that anymore. Not when this is the FIRST EVER virus they have said that for.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

Please, show this federal law.

This is standard practice, overseas votes routinely come in well after Election Day. And they count.

Enough.

You are 100% wrong here.

Ohh dear God.

Carveouts have been made for special circumstances. The Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act of 1986 allows votes to come in after election day. No such carveout was made for citizens living in the country.

Quite a statement to make. Perhaps a stealth edit is in order.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

The mask is to protect others. C'mon guys, we should be well past understanding this concept by now.

Are you saying you do nothing in life that could cause harm to others?

[discostu]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I don't know where this attitude is coming from but if the state told me that my ballot would be counted if I had it postmarked by 11/2 and then after I mail it in, they say, naw fam, it's not good anymore, how the hell is that fair? We are a week from the election deadline and we are playing games. This is unacceptable for this process. We've had months to get ready but now people want to play politics to try and game the system. It really is pretty sad.

Again, people are going by the rules as was told to them. They are now changing the rules less than a week from the election deadline. This should be across the board unacceptable to the people. How anyone is defending this is beyond me.

No one is changing the rules.

The rules at the state level are still applied at the state level.

Wisconsin's rules stayed the same, and confirmed by the Supreme Court.

Pennsylvania and North Carolina's rules stayed the same, and confirmed by the Supreme Court.

The confirmed rules say different things...because they are different states.

State's rights.

For a bunch of small federal government fellas here, they sure don't seem to understand state's rights and laws when it comes to elections.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by DegaBama

LOL. Nope. They tried that too, not falling for that anymore. Not when this is the FIRST EVER virus they have said that for.

Who tried what? Falling for what?

That's literally been the point since day 1 and even pre-dates COVID.

"Doctors, dentists, and nurses often wear them while treating patients. These masks prevent large droplets of bodily fluids that may contain viruses or other germs from escaping via the nose and mouth."

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I don't know where this attitude is coming from but if the state told me that my ballot would be counted if I had it postmarked by 11/2 and then after I mail it in, they say, naw fam, it's not good anymore, how the hell is that fair? We are a week from the election deadline and we are playing games. This is unacceptable for this process. We've had months to get ready but now people want to play politics to try and game the system. It really is pretty sad.

Again, people are going by the rules as was told to them. They are now changing the rules less than a week from the election deadline. This should be across the board unacceptable to the people. How anyone is defending this is beyond me.

All swing states are saying the same thing right now. "DON'T MAIL YOUR VOTE"

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...lots-in-person

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/28/92873...uggest-other-p

https://www.wcjb.com/2020/10/28/time...ail-in-ballot/

They do this because they know there's a chance it won't arrive by the 3rd. Even though states like PA are going to allow ballots to come in after the fact, they also know that if challenged, they're dead. So ... the message is now clear. Go find another way to vote, stop using the mail.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

No one is changing the rules.

The rules at the state level are still applied at the state level.

Wisconsin's rules stayed the same, and confirmed by the Supreme Court.

Pennsylvania and North Carolina's rules stayed the same, and confirmed by the Supreme Court.

The confirmed rules say different things...because they are different states.

State's rights.

For a bunch of small federal government fellas here, they sure don't seem to understand state's rights and laws when it comes to elections.

(Important point - confirmed by the STATE Supreme Court, not THE Supreme Court)

LOL if you think the Supreme Court is going to allow votes to count after the 3rd w/ a 5-3-1 Conservative majority.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Ohh dear God.

Carveouts have been made for special circumstances. The Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act of 1986 allows votes to come in after election day. No such carveout was made for citizens living in the country.

Quite a statement to make. Perhaps a stealth edit is in order.

Agreed.

We should notify the Supreme Court that they are incorrect on the North Carolina vote today. These know nothings just allowed votes to arrive 9 days after election day (per NC laws) as long as they were postmarked by election day.

Damn conservative judges.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

Are you saying you do nothing in life that could cause harm to others?

you guys cannot be this dense.

I'm saying wearing a mask is to protect others from the covid virus during a global pandemic. It has nothing to do with being tough or fearless, or having anything to do with unrelated topics.

[NeedChapmans]

Take the words of Kavanaugh seriously. NO CHANCE.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/27/polit...den/index.html

[zonacats8]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I don't know where this attitude is coming from but if the state told me that my ballot would be counted if I had it postmarked by 11/2 and then after I mail it in, they say, naw fam, it's not good anymore, how the hell is that fair? We are a week from the election deadline and we are playing games. This is unacceptable for this process. We've had months to get ready but now people want to play politics to try and game the system. It really is pretty sad.

Again, people are going by the rules as was told to them. They are now changing the rules less than a week from the election deadline. This should be across the board unacceptable to the people. How anyone is defending this is beyond me.

THIS times a million

If a state has a rule that it just has to be postmarked by the date, you can't then not count it if it shows up past the election date due to the mail being slow.

First, to be clear, I'm voting in person on Tuesday, so none of this matters to my specific vote.

But if I was voting by mail, and my states current law was that it just had to be post marked by election date, It shouldn't matter when it's received as long as it's post marked by then, I'm playing by the rules. You can't change the rules in the middle of the game because you think it benefits you.

Now if I'm in a state where the rule is that it has to be received by election day, then that's the rule and that's what I need to follow. If I'm in a state like that right now, no, I'm not mailing it out right now, I'm going to drop it off in person.

But that's where my issue with this comes in, republicans had ZERO issues with this in the past, because in the past there was minimal to no chance the few ballots that showed up after election day would ever affect the election.

So if it was okay in the past, why is it an issue now?

Point blank, the only reason is that because they know those ballots are more likely to be for Biden and Democrat congress votes than for Trump and the GOP candidates.

So in the end, it really should just be whatever each state's rules were in the past, if they allowed it, they should continue it, if they didn't, they shouldn't, period.

The ONLY rule that I think should be changed, is that they should start to process the ballots early due to the sheer volume of them this year compared to the past. As long as you have a fair and honest system, there is no reason they can't begin to count them already. There are states that have done this for years (such as Florida that is usually a GOP voting state), so there is no legitimate argument for not allowing it in all 50 states this year.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by discostu

Agreed.

We should notify the Supreme Court that they are incorrect on the North Carolina vote today. These know nothings just allowed votes to arrive 9 days after election day (per NC laws) as long as they were postmarked by election day.

Damn conservative judges.

My man.

They declined to take the case. There was no "ruling". You're embarrassing yourself.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

(Important point - confirmed by the STATE Supreme Court, not THE Supreme Court)

LOL if you think the Supreme Court is going to allow votes to count after the 3rd w/ a 5-3-1 Conservative majority.

Look again at the North Carolina ruling.

Sweetheart Amy sat out the 5-3 vote.

She's on the Supreme Court right?