Will BBCE authenticated items take a dip? - Page 21

WhacksPacks · 01-13-2022, 02:58 PM

Twist: This was just a ploy to boost 1991 GI Joe Card wax.

Goes to check Ebay on recent sold listings...haha

Earlsnake07 · 01-13-2022, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by zworykin

No, you're missing the most important word in the quote. He said, "We've all been duped - agreed?" No interest in taking on any of the blame himself. None whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by SaltyCracker

That’s exactly what I took away from his reaction as well.

Agree.....his throat was damn near locked up trying to get that sentence out.

DynaEtch · 01-13-2022, 03:10 PM

Kudos to Rattle. What a ridiculous situation.

So what happens along the chain then? It obviously goes back to the original EBay seller, wondering what they can do here.

I do not like the idea of “authenticating” factory sealed cases. Too much can go wrong when you can’t see the boxes within, much less the packs inside those boxes. Even if the tape and label look right, as apparently according to the video Steve says about this case (even though they don’t, per Rattle)….that’s clearly not enough. At the end of the day you have a cardboard box that’s taped and labeled, and there should be questions about that authentication process. This is a huge mistake.

THE(NEXT)LEVEL · 01-13-2022, 03:11 PM

Welp, the only thing I would trust from BBCE would be an individual box FASC.

blackbears86 · 01-13-2022, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jmsodpc

Wow. What a video.

Terrible. Steve Hart had no business grading that case.

He should have stuck to sports cards.

AnthonyT · 01-13-2022, 03:14 PM

Im passing out torches for anyone that needs one

KhalDrogo · 01-13-2022, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DynaEtch

Kudos to Rattle. What a ridiculous situation.

So what happens along the chain then? It obviously goes back to the original EBay sellers, wondering what they can do here.

I do not like the idea of “authenticating” factory sealed cases. Too much can go wrong when you can’t see the boxes within, much less the packs inside those boxes. Even if the tape and label look right, as apparently according the video Steve says about this case….that’s clearly not enough. At the end of the day you have a cardboard box that’s taped and labeled, and there should be questions about that authentication process. This is a huge mistake.

Meelypoops has lawyered up after originally promising to refund shyne.

Cardkahuna says he doesn’t have the money.

shyne might not be made whole, but he will take them for every penny they have. Neither have any business being allowed in this hobby. Both should be permabanned from every card show.

As for BBCE, Steve is claiming they will reevaluate how they authenticate cases, and will be suspending all Pokemon and YGO products. Not sure why they were authenticating them to begin with as they clearly have no clue what they are doing with TCG. I want to know if he’ll still be authenticating TCG packs for PSA.

jmsodpc · 01-13-2022, 03:17 PM

Those gi Joe packs are from 1991...maybe
They will like them better than pokemon.

mc1 · 01-13-2022, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

Welp, the only thing I would trust from BBCE would be an individual box FASC.

Youd trust BBCE to authenticate a case as sealed?

Nah.

Anyone could put together a case of boxes, seal it up real good and fool them.

KhalDrogo · 01-13-2022, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

Welp, the only thing I would trust from BBCE would be an individual box FASC.

Who is to say Steve can tell the difference between a legitimate and fake or resealed sports case?

discodanman45 · 01-13-2022, 03:20 PM

The great thing for Shyne's lawyer is Rattle did all the legwork on research for him. If this is true about meelypops lawyering up, I hope all people associated with the hobby breaks ties with him. If anyone like Sports Card Investor collaborates with him again, their reputation will take a hit.

cardsin47 · 01-13-2022, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Who is to say Steve can tell the difference between a legitimate and fake or resealed sports case?

This is the potential fallout for sure…..
I never would have thought this prior to this incident- it’s now on my mind as a concern

THE(NEXT)LEVEL · 01-13-2022, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Who is to say Steve can tell the difference between a legitimate and fake or resealed sports case?

I agree, and I was going to say I don't trust anything, BUT I would imagine if you open say a 1985 Donruss Baseball case, and can inspect the individual packs from each box(as they were not factory sealed), then I would say that Steve would be able to determine authenticity. If not, just throw all BBCE wrapped stuff in the trash.

GlenSepper · 01-13-2022, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Who is to say Steve can tell the difference between a legitimate and fake or resealed sports case?

Exactly.

His experience/methodology/research in determining whether a case is legit factory sealed (or not) should apply across the board.

zworykin · 01-13-2022, 03:26 PM

For what it's worth, the only BBCE-wrapped box I've opened was a 1989 Fleer FASC with a date code that suggested any Bill Ripken would be an FF error, and sure enough that's what I pulled from a pack. So I'm not going to now get rid of my other still-wrapped box from that same purchase. But I'm definitely also going to be looking at any future purchases with a much more critical eye, as will (hopefully) everyone else.

SupermanBrandon · 01-13-2022, 03:28 PM

Sealed box professional!
Meelypoops & Cardkaloser are done in the hobby.
Arthur...a penny for your thoughts?

4Rookie4 · 01-13-2022, 03:30 PM

Crazy stuff

cardsin47 · 01-13-2022, 03:31 PM

Inside the boxes in the case? - these GI Joe Packs/Cards

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

MIRRABB · 01-13-2022, 03:41 PM

the meelypops videos on buying this fake are classic now, wonder how long until he will take them down

KhalDrogo · 01-13-2022, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by zworykin

For what it's worth, the only BBCE-wrapped box I've opened was a 1989 Fleer FASC with a date code that suggested any Bill Ripken would be an FF error, and sure enough that's what I pulled from a pack. So I'm not going to now get rid of my other still-wrapped box from that same purchase. But I'm definitely also going to be looking at any future purchases with a much more critical eye, as will (hopefully) everyone else.

I would think that the majority of intact cases out there are legitimate. Even if he had no idea what he was doing, he’ll get most of them correct. The issue now is that BBCE is now a target for scammers. And it’s the perfect scam because the value is in keeping the case sealed, and you can only confirm it’s fake by opening the case. This is a disaster.

GlenSepper · 01-13-2022, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

I would think that the majority of intact cases out there are legitimate. Even if he had no idea what he was doing, he’ll get most of them correct. The issue now is that BBCE is now a target for scammers. And it’s the perfect scam because the value is in keeping the case sealed, and you can only confirm it’s fake by opening the case. This is a disaster.

And there is the key difference between this and the issues surrounding PSA/other TPG's. At least you can see what is in the slab.

Here the value is in not seeing the product. Rife for abuse.

cardsin47 · 01-13-2022, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

…..it’s the perfect scam because the value is in keeping the case sealed, and you can only confirm it’s fake by opening the case.

Much ( and disturbing ) wisdom here…..

pcptrade · 01-13-2022, 04:14 PM

This has been one of my biggest fears and also the reason behind not owning any authenticated sealed wax! Hope Shyne gets his money back.

zworykin · 01-13-2022, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

And it’s the perfect scam because the value is in keeping the case sealed, and you can only confirm it’s fake by opening the case.

Even worse - it seems you need to open at least a box. As we saw in the video, it sure looked like they were hoping to get away with just opening one top flap and doing a visual inspection. They only moved on when someone said hey wait, the boxes don't look right. What if the original scammer had done a better job, not using off-color boxes that were oddly puffy? If they had looked right, would that have been "enough" for these folks to decide it was legit?

Ianhatcher · 01-13-2022, 04:21 PM

To each his own if you want to trust Steve going forward but hearing him talk about how he authenticated it was just cringeworthy.

Sealed, check. Doesn't looks tampered with, check. Ok, Let's put some BBCE wrap on that puppy.

Ka-ching.

01-13-2022, 02:58 PM	#501
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01-13-2022, 03:10 PM	#503
DynaEtch Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 9,657	Will BBCE authenticated items take a dip? Kudos to Rattle. What a ridiculous situation. So what happens along the chain then? It obviously goes back to the original EBay seller, wondering what they can do here. I do not like the idea of “authenticating” factory sealed cases. Too much can go wrong when you can’t see the boxes within, much less the packs inside those boxes. Even if the tape and label look right, as apparently according to the video Steve says about this case (even though they don’t, per Rattle)….that’s clearly not enough. At the end of the day you have a cardboard box that’s taped and labeled, and there should be questions about that authentication process. This is a huge mistake. __________________ ~~~ '90s trading cards === Golden Era ~~~ Last edited by DynaEtch; 01-13-2022 at 03:16 PM.

01-13-2022, 03:20 PM	#511
discodanman45 Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: CA Posts: 9,820 danch27	The great thing for Shyne's lawyer is Rattle did all the legwork on research for him. If this is true about meelypops lawyering up, I hope all people associated with the hobby breaks ties with him. If anyone like Sports Card Investor collaborates with him again, their reputation will take a hit. __________________ Always looking for rarer Rik Smits cards and cards from the 2014-15 Spectra Global Icons set. Send me a message!

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01-13-2022, 03:31 PM	#518
cardsin47 Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Westminster, MD Posts: 8,761 cardsin47	Inside the boxes in the case? - these GI Joe Packs/Cards Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ @cardsin47 is Steve Meyer ~ #WaxReturns! PC Gem Mint Factory Sealed 5-Sport Active Player RC & Prospect SCARCE Hobby/ HTA Jumbo/ Retail/ Blaster/ Mega Boxes! ~Trout! Soto! JROD! Wemby! Luka! Mahomes! McDavid! Bedard! Erling!~ Last edited by cardsin47; 01-13-2022 at 03:35 PM.

01-13-2022, 03:11 PM	#504
THE(NEXT)LEVEL Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: South Jersey Posts: 4,714	Welp, the only thing I would trust from BBCE would be an individual box FASC.

01-13-2022, 03:14 PM	#506
AnthonyT Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 153	Im passing out torches for anyone that needs one

01-13-2022, 03:17 PM	#508
jmsodpc Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,334	Those gi Joe packs are from 1991...maybe They will like them better than pokemon.

01-13-2022, 03:26 PM	#515
zworykin Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 6,074 zworykin2	For what it's worth, the only BBCE-wrapped box I've opened was a 1989 Fleer FASC with a date code that suggested any Bill Ripken would be an FF error, and sure enough that's what I pulled from a pack. So I'm not going to now get rid of my other still-wrapped box from that same purchase. But I'm definitely also going to be looking at any future purchases with a much more critical eye, as will (hopefully) everyone else.

01-13-2022, 03:28 PM	#516
SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	Sealed box professional! Meelypoops & Cardkaloser are done in the hobby. Arthur...a penny for your thoughts?

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MIRRABB Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 2,035	the meelypops videos on buying this fake are classic now, wonder how long until he will take them down __________________ Always looking for rare Herman Moore and Michael Redd cards...

01-13-2022, 04:14 PM	#523
pcptrade Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 7,630	This has been one of my biggest fears and also the reason behind not owning any authenticated sealed wax! Hope Shyne gets his money back. __________________ Jealousy is a form of hatred built on Insecurity. It's the unhappy and insecure people who show hatred, jealousy and try to bring others down. Instagram:icollector23, Flickr:https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/albums

01-13-2022, 04:21 PM	#525
Ianhatcher Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 1,982 ian5555	To each his own if you want to trust Steve going forward but hearing him talk about how he authenticated it was just cringeworthy. Sealed, check. Doesn't looks tampered with, check. Ok, Let's put some BBCE wrap on that puppy. Ka-ching.