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sonnyday · 07-20-2016, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

I think she didn't give a damn about the "average joe" investor.

Backtracking........

It appears you are mostly voting against Hillary then voting for trump as your only arguments against Hillary and not for Trump. This is what is wrong in American politics.

jdandns · 07-20-2016, 07:52 PM

They now have medication for ADHD.

jarrodsalas · 07-20-2016, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sonnyday

Backtracking........

It appears you are mostly voting against Hillary then voting for trump as your only arguments against Hillary and not for Trump. This is what is wrong in American politics.

This thread just started! Just had to get a few things out of the way.

sonnyday · 07-20-2016, 08:00 PM

Watching the Republican National Convention is sickening. To hear the hatred spewed disgusts me. Don't worry...I am sure Democratic National Convention will spew just as much.

It's sad that the two parties running for president only talk how bad the other party/person is, rather than discuss what they want to do to I improve our country.

The fathers of this country are rolling over in their graves.

preakness · 07-20-2016, 08:02 PM

George Washkngton warned America about political parties

Addison · 07-20-2016, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by sonnyday

Watching the Republican National Convention is sickening. To hear the hatred spewed disgusts me. Don't worry...I am sure Democratic National Convention will spew just as much.

It's sad that the two parties running for president only talk how bad the other party/person is, rather than discuss what they want to do to I improve our country.

The fathers of this country are rolling over in their graves.

It's really been a who's who of who?

preakness · 07-20-2016, 08:05 PM

Wife "Why is Andre Dawson there?"

Me "Freak. That's Pastor Scott"

Ephland · 07-20-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sonnyday

Watching the Republican National Convention is sickening. To hear the hatred spewed disgusts me. Don't worry...I am sure Democratic National Convention will spew just as much.

Oh, I'll take that bet and give you 2-1 odds to boot.

xplainer · 07-20-2016, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sonnyday

Watching the Republican National Convention is sickening. To hear the hatred spewed disgusts me. Don't worry...I am sure Democratic National Convention will spew just as much.

It's sad that the two parties running for president only talk how bad the other party/person is, rather than discuss what they want to do to I improve our country.

The fathers of this country are rolling over in their graves.

The GOP has the ears of the common folks. Tired of eight years of special interest groups, inaction and a onslaught of Executive Orders than never went to Congress.

But main isuue in politics in our country is... two party system. And it seems like a third party can't break in.

Everything is set up for just the two. From media to actual voting. Two parties.

Currently, here is your choice:
Hillary or Trump.

I know Hillary, so I go Trump. That simple.
To me, anyway.

Trump is not the best out there, but better than a Clinton.

Ephland · 07-20-2016, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by preakness

I recall watching Hillary during one of her speeches back during primaries and looking at the crowd sitting behind her and shaking head how obvious it was that each person seated behind her intentionally placed. A true melting pot (white, black, Asian, Hispanic, cowboy hat, middle eastern, old person, youngster, geek, Greek, so on)

It was so phony looking I can't recall what she even said

Let's say they were placed intentionally.

So what?

Ephland · 07-20-2016, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sonnyday

The fathers of this country are rolling over in their graves.

The fathers of this country couldn't begin to fathom the advancements society has made between now and then. And I'm pretty sure they don't need any of us speaking for them.

BostonNut · 07-20-2016, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sonnyday

Watching the Republican National Convention is sickening. To hear the hatred spewed disgusts me. Don't worry...I am sure Democratic National Convention will spew just as much.

It's sad that the two parties running for president only talk how bad the other party/person is, rather than discuss what they want to do to I improve our country.

The fathers of this country are rolling over in their graves.

This.

All day this.

We are the GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE FREAKING WORLD yet there is such a divide between our "leaders."

I am reminded every day why I stay far, far, far away from politics.

The last President I voted for was Reagan....the greatest this country has ever seen.

jrosales · 07-20-2016, 08:17 PM

I'm voting for Kodos

Ray27Ray52 · 07-20-2016, 08:20 PM

After the November 2014 elections 42% of registered voters identified as Democrat. 41% identified as Republican. That is remarkable. Even more remarkable? Democrats are frequently lauded for trivial accomplishments while Republicans are vilified for trivial indisgressions. I have never understood the indisputable media bias that exists. If nearly half the country identifies as a Republican, and the media are all about ratings, why would you intentionally skew your coverage towards the other party unless of course you had an agenda.

jdandns · 07-20-2016, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jrosales

I'm voting for Kodos

Kodos? Are you nuts!

It's Kang for me, all the way.

preakness · 07-20-2016, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ephland

Oh, I'll take that bet and give you 2-1 odds to boot.

Democrats won't talk bad about the republicans because there's nothing bad to say.

jarrodsalas · 07-20-2016, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

After the November 2014 elections 42% of registered voters identified as Democrat. 41% identified as Republican. That is remarkable. Even more remarkable? Democrats are frequently lauded for trivial accomplishments while Republicans are vilified for trivial indisgressions. I have never understood the indisputable media bias that exists. If nearly half the country identifies as a Republican, and the media are all about ratings, why would you intentionally scew your coverage towards the other party unless of course you had an agenda.

Follow the money. It is a fact that the vast majority of donations from media elite go to Democrats.

ssbledsoe · 07-20-2016, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

This might get buried, but can I toss out some useful info?

1. "A vote for a third party candidate is really a vote for Evil Candidate X!" is only true if you live in a SWING STATE.

Because our president is selected via the Electoral College and not a popular vote, your vote is already basically wasted if you don't live in a swing state. If you live in...

- Ohio
- Colorado
- Iowa
- Nevada
- New Hampshire
- Virginia
- Florida

...then yes, your vote does matter and voting for a third party could tip the scales toward a candidate you especially despise. HOWEVER, if you live ANYWHERE else, your state is basically already decided as far as who will pick up its Electoral College votes. This means that literally every single vote the losing candidate receives is wasted and every single vote over 50% the winning candidate receives is wasted.

It's a really messed up system because it means that roughly ~40% of voters in 43 states are irrelevant.

2. Ok, so a crap ton of votes are wasted. But still, 40% of 43 states wouldn't be enough to elect Jesus or John Lennon if they ran third party, so what's the point?

The point is (and sooo few Americans know this) that if a third party can garner just 5% of the national vote, they will receive public campaign funding assistance AND a spot at the 2020 presidential debates.

So even if voting Libertarian, Green, Constitutionalist, etc. won't change the 2016 race, it could have huge effects on the 2020 race. Not only that, but I'm guessing most of us here are sick of the partisanship. Most might not prefer Libertarian or Green proposals, but having a middle voice could substantially help moderate the main parties. Something which would benefit all Americans.

Just my $0.02 as an American Government teacher and while I'll be voting for the future this fall when I vote (as a Texan) third party.

It's sad that this post was glossed over. Facts and a sensible assessment for the "wasted vote" crowd. Then again, Fox News, HuffPo, etc aren't telling these facts so they're useless...

preakness · 07-20-2016, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ephland

Let's say they were placed intentionally.

So what?

I would rather have a real Ryan selfie with a crap load of young white interns along with a creepy looking dude front row far left than a strategically placed fake bleacher full of people

preakness · 07-20-2016, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ephland

The fathers of this country couldn't begin to fathom the advancements society has made between now and then. And I'm pretty sure they don't need any of us speaking for them.

Fathers of the country probably shocked a black man elected president

sonnyday · 07-20-2016, 08:31 PM

Melania and Ivanka or Bill and Chelsea.......

Decisions!

preakness · 07-20-2016, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

After the November 2014 elections 42% of registered voters identified as Democrat. 41% identified as Republican. That is remarkable. Even more remarkable? Democrats are frequently lauded for trivial accomplishments while Republicans are vilified for trivial indisgressions. I have never understood the indisputable media bias that exists. If nearly half the country identifies as a Republican, and the media are all about ratings, why would you intentionally skew your coverage towards the other party unless of course you had an agenda.

CNN watched more than Fox News because channel 202 CNN closer to
Channels 206-215 (ESPN, NFL network, MLB, NHL) than
Fox News 360.

preakness · 07-20-2016, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sonnyday

Melania and Ivanka or Bill and Chelsea.......

Decisions!

Exactly!!!

37Jetson · 07-20-2016, 08:34 PM

Could we let Imac7065 back where he can only comment in this thread? I know 50 of us would get suspended, but this thread is way short on insanity.

jarrodsalas · 07-20-2016, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by preakness

CNN watched more than Fox News because channel 202 CNN closer to
Channels 206-215 (ESPN, NFL network, MLB, NHL) than
Fox News 360.

Fox News Channel ratings top all cable networks for first time | Fox News

Unless you are talking about your household.

And I'm pretty sure Oreilly's show plays a huge part in that. His ratings are huge.

View Poll Results: 2016 Election
Hillary Clinton	81	19.19%
Donald Trump	188	44.55%
Neither	153	36.26%
Voters: 422. You may not vote on this poll

07-20-2016, 08:17 PM	#513
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07-20-2016, 08:20 PM	#514
Ray27Ray52 Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Posts: 22,676	After the November 2014 elections 42% of registered voters identified as Democrat. 41% identified as Republican. That is remarkable. Even more remarkable? Democrats are frequently lauded for trivial accomplishments while Republicans are vilified for trivial indisgressions. I have never understood the indisputable media bias that exists. If nearly half the country identifies as a Republican, and the media are all about ratings, why would you intentionally skew your coverage towards the other party unless of course you had an agenda. Last edited by Ray27Ray52; 07-20-2016 at 08:23 PM.

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07-20-2016, 08:00 PM	#504
sonnyday Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cleeeevelaaaaand Posts: 2,741 Sonnyday	Watching the Republican National Convention is sickening. To hear the hatred spewed disgusts me. Don't worry...I am sure Democratic National Convention will spew just as much. It's sad that the two parties running for president only talk how bad the other party/person is, rather than discuss what they want to do to I improve our country. The fathers of this country are rolling over in their graves.

07-20-2016, 08:02 PM	#505
preakness Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Johnny Ryno's soul Posts: 21,077	George Washkngton warned America about political parties

07-20-2016, 08:05 PM	#507
preakness Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Johnny Ryno's soul Posts: 21,077	Wife "Why is Andre Dawson there?" Me "Freak. That's Pastor Scott"

07-20-2016, 08:31 PM	#521
sonnyday Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Cleeeevelaaaaand Posts: 2,741 Sonnyday	Melania and Ivanka or Bill and Chelsea....... Decisions!