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[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Home ownership is partly due to the crash. How many people were given loans they werent supposed to have? I lost close to 100k on my condo. I bought at 250k and sold at 156k. Luckily, my wife and I have worked hard and was able to buy a nice house for 392k but not with out heavy bank scrutiny after mortgage reforms. New regulations and low wages prohibit many from buying homes. Also, many people do not save and need the newest cell phone, fashion, and cars. If more people were focused, they can buy a house.

Check out the stock market - I think 10k points higher in 8 years, more than double. It's difficult to fix the economy when the Congress doesn't know how to work together. I can see where you think he negotiated with Iran but that payment was already was supposed to be sent.

You know what else has doubled in that time? National Debt...

[XARZY]

Would prefer that neither be candidate but that being said, i prefer trump over hillary.

As stupid as trump is sometimes, his policies for thw most part outweigh clintons. That and I dont trust the clintons. They have put too many family and friends in positions of power by supporting policies and pushing for certain contracts, thats why they made so much money.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

You know what else has doubled in that time? National Debt...

Why?

Economic Stimulus Package (saved many people from bankruptcy when they lost their jobs; an extension of unemployment benefits), government bailouts to banks and auto industries which saved many jobs, couldn't just leave the mess his predecessor in Iraq made (probably a trillion right there), and tax cuts.

[jlzinck]

Best post in this thread

Originally Posted by Brobocop

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Good Morning all!

Attachment 345657

If this picture gets you upset, you shouldn't be in this thread.

Have a great day everyone!

It upsets me because now I want a Belgian Waffle

And the man eating that is a heathen. He is putting the fork in his mouth upside down.

If this picture was in 2008 he would never have been elected

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Why?

Economic Stimulus Package (saved many people from bankruptcy when they lost their jobs; an extension of unemployment benefits), government bailouts to banks and auto industries which saved many jobs, couldn't just leave the mess his predecessor in Iraq made (probably a trillion right there), and tax cuts.

You mean the war Hillary voted for? Auto industry? Banks? You mean the policies Monica's ex-boyfriend pushed for in his presidency? I'm no Bush fan, but to solely blame him for the 2008 mess is just laughable. Hell, Bush started the whole economic stimulus crap... It's kind of funny you laid Obama for it and then blame Bush for the war.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

It upsets me because now I want a Belgian Waffle

And the man eating that is a heathen. He is putting the fork in his mouth upside down.

If this picture was in 2008 he would never have been elected

El oh el. I already know your stance.

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

You mean the war Hillary voted for? Auto industry? Banks? You mean the policies Monica's ex-boyfriend pushed for in his presidency? I'm no Bush fan, but to solely blame him for the 2008 mess is just laughable. Hell, Bush started the whole economic stimulus crap... It's kind of funny you laid Obama for it and then blame Bush for the war.

I don't even like Hilary. I do blame VP Bush and President Cheney. No need to enter Iraq

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

El oh el. I already know your stance.



I don't even like Hilary. I do blame VP Bush and President Cheney. No need to enter Iraq

Completely agree with you. However, a majority of Congress (including 77% of the Senate...) voted for the same thing. They're part of the problem...not all of it. Although, they got rich off of it. Just more evidence that those in power are only self indulgent.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

Completely agree with you. However, a majority of Congress (including 77% of the Senate...) voted for the same thing. They're part of the problem...not all of it. Although, they got rich off of it. Just more evidence that those in power are only self indulgent.

Exactly. I still firmly believe the only two politicians who really do have the people in their best interests are Obama and Bernie. The rest are selfserving for themselves and their buddies.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Exactly. I still firmly believe the only two politicians who really do have the people in their best interests are Obama and Bernie. The rest are selfserving for themselves and their buddies.

Obama is a self serving corporatist democrat like most of the others. There is a reason he's pushing TPP and took hundreds of millions from backers. Bernie may very well be the only senator not influenced by money.

[HBMC]

Originally Posted by TheHeel

Why?

Economic Stimulus Package (saved many people from bankruptcy when they lost their jobs; an extension of unemployment benefits), government bailouts to banks and auto industries which saved many jobs, couldn't just leave the mess his predecessor in Iraq made (probably a trillion right there), and tax cuts.

The stimulus forestalled a real economic collapse by inflating the Dollar (which has multitudinous negative impacts on all markets across the globe). It also causes violent swings in inflation when the money is actually introduced into the m money supply, which is not being done due to Quantitative Easing, and in this case, the money is being accounted for digitally and not released into the public or money supply (but it still counts against the ledger).

Here, you're in dire need of this:

https://play.google.com/store/books/...EMvw&gclsrc=ds

Bailing out only select companies has only made the credit default swap market that much more toxic and has ballooned the issue that wrecked to the US Economy into a much larger and more devastating monster. The Fed's policy of buying debt with new money is also literally buying debt with monopoly money and backing the newly released cash with that debt. That will not last forever, and on the low side of that equation, the dollar is worth less than the Reichmark after 1923 in Weimar Germany and we're burning money to stay warm in the winter, on the high side, we're stagnant like now. Capitalization in the US is extremely low, partly due to the prohibitive corporate & capital gains tax rates, but also that a lot of investors are terrified of our current debt situation, which is getting to be untenable.

Also, HUD hasn't changed their stance regarding sub-prime lenders and is continuing the failed policies of the Community Re-investment Act, which was the primary cause of the 2008 housing bubble (not tax cuts or the Wars in Iraq, which cost $2 trillion in the aggregate, unlike the bailouts and stimulus packages, which cost more than advertised [also factoring in the inflated baseline budgets after 2010 when Congressional control split and Reid wouldn't hear the budgets proposed by the House, which is where all spending is supposed to start] and accomplished far less than advertised).

Being convicted in your ignorance is not a virtue.

[HBMC]

Originally Posted by Addison

Obama is a self serving corporatist democrat like most of the others. There is a reason he's pushing TPP and took hundreds of millions from backers. Bernie may very well be the only senator not influenced by money.

Bernie just bought a 3rd house (lake house) for roughly $600k.

Do tell how he's above influence, where did he get that money from?

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by Addison

Obama is a self serving corporatist democrat like most of the others. There is a reason he's pushing TPP and took hundreds of millions from backers. Bernie may very well be the only senator not influenced by money.

Well, I'd hazard a guess that Bernie is throwing in the towel on his issues. I can't imagine how he can knowingly support Clinton. Pretty much unconciounable, IMO. Barry is no better. 8 years ago, he called Clinton out for saying anything to get elected, but now suddenly that doesn't matter.

I respected Bernie throughout the primaries. While I disagree with many of his policies and thoughts, I thought he stood for what he truly believed. Backing Clinton makes me seriously question that.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by HBMC

Bernie just bought a 3rd house (lake house) for roughly $600k.

Do tell how he's above influence, where did he get that money from?

His tax returns are open for your view.

If you're in your 70s and save for retirement you can buy a vacation home too.

[Addison]

Originally Posted by ssbledsoe

Well, I'd hazard a guess that Bernie is throwing in the towel on his issues. I can't imagine how he can knowingly support Clinton. Pretty much unconciounable, IMO. Barry is no better. 8 years ago, he called Clinton out for saying anything to get elected, but now suddenly that doesn't matter.

I respected Bernie throughout the primaries. While I disagree with many of his policies and thoughts, I thought he stood for what he truly believed. Backing Clinton makes me seriously question that.

He's supporting her because he knows the consequences of the alternative. Thrown in the towel? He's actively working on down ballot campaigns.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by Addison

His tax returns are open for your view.

If you're in your 70s and save for retirement you can buy a vacation home too.

A career politician, a public servant, owns 3 homes. A real man of and for the people. Sometimes I think not even you believe the nonsense you spew.

[ssbledsoe]

Originally Posted by Addison

He's supporting her because he knows the consequences of the alternative. Thrown in the towel? He's actively working on down ballot campaigns.

1) there is more than 1 alternative
2) What he's "working on" is exactly why I'm skeptical. Lots of well meaning change has turned into self interest/cronyism after capitulation to the status quo...

[Addison]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

A career politician, a public servant, owns 3 homes. A real man of and for the people. Sometimes I think not even you believe the nonsense you spew.

He's also the most liked approved of politician in Washington. If you live frugally in Vermont, it's not that surprising he has a few bucks saved up to spend in his silver years.

[Timmay]

Wow, I thought Kaine was suppose to help her in VA.

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[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Timmay

Wow, I thought Kaine was suppose to help her in VA.

Richmond Times-Dispatch endorses Gary Johnson for president - Richmond Times-Dispatch: OUR OPINION

She pretty much has VA on lock, a newspaper endorsement is not going to change much there. This is one of the reasons Trump is in so much trouble. He is behind is so many of the battleground states and PA and VA are almost out of reach. Interested to see where he focuses his money with so much to cover.

[Timmay]

Originally Posted by pac213up

She pretty much has VA on lock, a newspaper endorsement is not going to change much there. This is one of the reasons Trump is in so much trouble. He is behind is so many of the battleground states and PA and VA are almost out of reach. Interested to see where he focuses his money with so much to cover.

I don't think she has anything on lock and it's a big mistake if her campaign believes that. This is just more evidence that things are moving in the wrong direction for her.

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by HBMC

The stimulus forestalled a real economic collapse by inflating the Dollar (which has multitudinous negative impacts on all markets across the globe). It also causes violent swings in inflation when the money is actually introduced into the m money supply, which is not being done due to Quantitative Easing, and in this case, the money is being accounted for digitally and not released into the public or money supply (but it still counts against the ledger).

Here, you're in dire need of this:

https://play.google.com/store/books/...EMvw&gclsrc=ds

Bailing out only select companies has only made the credit default swap market that much more toxic and has ballooned the issue that wrecked to the US Economy into a much larger and more devastating monster. The Fed's policy of buying debt with new money is also literally buying debt with monopoly money and backing the newly released cash with that debt. That will not last forever, and on the low side of that equation, the dollar is worth less than the Reichmark after 1923 in Weimar Germany and we're burning money to stay warm in the winter, on the high side, we're stagnant like now. Capitalization in the US is extremely low, partly due to the prohibitive corporate & capital gains tax rates, but also that a lot of investors are terrified of our current debt situation, which is getting to be untenable.

Also, HUD hasn't changed their stance regarding sub-prime lenders and is continuing the failed policies of the Community Re-investment Act, which was the primary cause of the 2008 housing bubble (not tax cuts or the Wars in Iraq, which cost $2 trillion in the aggregate, unlike the bailouts and stimulus packages, which cost more than advertised [also factoring in the inflated baseline budgets after 2010 when Congressional control split and Reid wouldn't hear the budgets proposed by the House, which is where all spending is supposed to start] and accomplished far less than advertised).

Being convicted in your ignorance is not a virtue.

1. Right now, that stimulus package saved many industries. The positive effects of this package has been well documented and continues to help. Wall Street should be giving back much more than they have been to ease what you call a larger monster.

2. You are such a cutie with your passive aggressive comments.

[pac213up]

Originally Posted by Timmay

I don't think she has anything on lock and it's a big mistake if her campaign believes that. This is just more evidence that things are moving in the wrong direction for her.

Considering where she was 2 or 3 weeks ago a bit of tightening on some of these polls is not surprising. Still leads every major battleground state while raising tons of money. She is in the drivers seat, amazing given how terrible she is. The debates will probably be the nail in the coffin for Trump.

I do not even think they are running TV ads in VA at this point.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Timmay

I don't think she has anything on lock and it's a big mistake if her campaign believes that. This is just more evidence that things are moving in the wrong direction for her.

It is 100% locked down. I don't think Trump has a grasp on ANY of the swing states with 2 months to go in the election. I have no idea why anybody thinks Trump has a shot at this point. He'd need to have a massive turnaround to even put up a fight. If the past year means anything, each time Trump takes 1 step forward in the polls he takes 2 steps back.

6 months ago I thought Hillary had no shot against Trump if she were to win the nomination. How wrong I was. The vast majority of the country can't stand him and I think there's a pretty large contingent that are legitimately scared he may get us into a big time world conflict. That resonates. I've never heard anyone who has disdain for Hillary mention that if she were to become president they'd be afraid of any type of global conflict.

Come November that's going to be the deciding factor. Both sides are pretty dead on with what the opposing sides candidate represents. The deciding factor will be Trump's mouth writing checks the American public doesn't want to cash. Not after the past 60+ years of failed wars.

[zachtruitt]

Barring a miracle or global meltdown, this election has been wrapped up for a while now. Look at a map of the US, both coasts are solid blue. That's all a candidate needs.