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[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by StrongandFree86

Picked up a Chronicles Bronze Phoenix PSA 10 for $710. Less than what I sold my BGS 9 copy for a few months ago, so that was a nice PC upgrade. Would love to get a Blue /99 PSA 10 or BGS 9.5 but they are hard to come by. If someone has one, I could do a raw copy or a PSA 9 plus some paypal or another Zion to upgrade.

Nice pickup, but I’m still not a fan of the brown / bronze. I think because previous year was /5 it also gets overrated by people on this forum. Currently graded Phoenix by PSA // BGS

Blue 8 // 2
Bronze 7 // 0
Gold 1 // 1
Green 7 // 0
Pink 21 // 1
Purple 11 // 2
Red 19 // 7
Silver 61 // 6
Teal 7 // 1

There could certainly be quite a few more of the non #’d in PSA or BGS purgatory, and I don’t have any clue how many there are, but there’s obviously more than 5. I feel like Teal gets slept on, it’s a much nicer looking card IMO and the Megas seemed less printed than the Cellos.

[greg8731]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Nice pickup, but I’m still not a fan of the brown / bronze. I think because previous year was /5 it also gets overrated by people on this forum. Currently graded Phoenix by PSA // BGS

Blue 8 // 2
Bronze 7 // 0
Gold 1 // 1
Green 7 // 0
Pink 21 // 1
Purple 11 // 2
Red 19 // 7
Silver 61 // 6
Teal 7 // 1

There could certainly be quite a few more of the non #’d in PSA or BGS purgatory, and I don’t have any clue how many there are, but there’s obviously more than 5. I feel like Teal gets slept on, it’s a much nicer looking card IMO and the Megas seemed less printed than the Cellos.

IMO bronze is the best color match option for Zion. The shade of blue with the trim of the jersey looks great to me.



I have a few teal as well but I'm more of a fan of the bronze. For Zion at least. Of course the bronze aren't /5 people that list that are silly. I think /25 is a more realistic number. Maybe a few less, maybe a few more but I think it's the most SP out of the non numbered Phoenix.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by StrongandFree86

Picked up a Chronicles Bronze Phoenix PSA 10 for $710. Less than what I sold my BGS 9 copy for a few months ago, so that was a nice PC upgrade. Would love to get a Blue /99 PSA 10 or BGS 9.5 but they are hard to come by. If someone has one, I could do a raw copy or a PSA 9 plus some paypal or another Zion to upgrade.

I asked the seller for a pic of the back and he didn't respond. I'm guessing they aren't actually numbered but are an assumed print run?

[hairyangryfella]

I think the Blue Phoenix looks best, not that I've seen one in person. If $200 for one of those is considered a great price what is a purple expected to be worth?
I have not seen a gold or green.

[StrongandFree86]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

I asked the seller for a pic of the back and he didn't respond. I'm guessing they aren't actually numbered but are an assumed print run?

Yeah, I don't know the exact print run, not numbered, but they are rare.

[StrongandFree86]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

I think the Blue Phoenix looks best, not that I've seen one in person. If $200 for one of those is considered a great price what is a purple expected to be worth?
I have not seen a gold or green.

I have a green, paid around $150 for it raw, it has the same surface problems as the blues, not too sure what the print run is.

Blues were around $500-$800 raw for most of the season, so $200 is crazy low in my opinion.

Haven't seen a gold, though I'd like one.

There was a Lucky Envelopes /8 on ebay awhile ago that looked nice, not sure if it sold, the seller had bidding starting at over $2k which I wasn't going to pay for a raw copy right now.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by StrongandFree86

Blues were around $500-$800 raw for most of the season, so $200 is crazy low in my opinion.

Is it because it looks so good, or because that's what his numbered cards were going for?
What about purple?

[StrongandFree86]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

Is it because it looks so good, or because that's what his numbered cards were going for?
What about purple?

I think because the blues match the jersey they are more popular. Not sure what the purples would sell for. There are a few on ebay right now in PSA 10 and BGS 9.5 but they are listed pretty high ($1500-$2000) and haven't sold in a long time.

I'd guess around $500-$800 for a PSA 10 given the recent drop in the market.

[Spacemanspif]

Or you guys could just look it up. Purple PSA 10 sold for $1176 3 weeks ago. I’d buy every single one at $500, probably be bidding on them in that $800 range as well

And RE: the blue, I think it’s just a matter of circumstance. I don’t buy raw from Probstein or other consignment houses where they don’t respond to questions, and I’m sure plenty of others have the same rule. If it was through a private seller that I could request more pictures I would be a bidder.

[StrongandFree86]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Or you guys could just look it up. Purple PSA 10 sold for $1176 3 weeks ago. I’d buy every single one at $500, probably be bidding on them in that $800 range as well

Weird, didn't see that on 130point when I checked. A little higher than I'd want to pay right now but seems fair enough.

[mbuch21]

Originally Posted by StrongandFree86

Yeah, I don't know the exact print run, not numbered, but they are rare.

I’d guess <25.
I’ve collected a bunch of ssp Herro (still hoping that works out ok...) and bronze Phoenix was one of the very most difficult to find. Over 9 month of frenzied velocity only saw 2-3 hit eBay.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Or you guys could just look it up. Purple PSA 10 sold for $1176 3 weeks ago. I’d buy every single one at $500, probably be bidding on them in that $800 range as well

And RE: the blue, I think it’s just a matter of circumstance. I don’t buy raw from Probstein or other consignment houses where they don’t respond to questions, and I’m sure plenty of others have the same rule. If it was through a private seller that I could request more pictures I would be a bidder.

I was talking raw though, being surprised that the blue /99 was a good price at $200, wanted to know what a raw purple /49 would be worth. I don't care about PSA 10s.

[Spacemanspif]

Originally Posted by mbuch21

I’d guess <25.
I’ve collected a bunch of ssp Herro (still hoping that works out ok...) and bronze Phoenix was one of the very most difficult to find. Over 9 month of frenzied velocity only saw 2-3 hit eBay.

Most people mislabel the bronze since they’re not numbered. I know you said Phoenix but this Crusade was recent and was labeled silver https://www.ebay.com/itm/144012313857

I think shortly after release I picked up 2 Ja Phoenix and bid on one or two more that were not labeled Bronze

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

I was talking raw though, being surprised that the blue /99 was a good price at $200, wanted to know what a raw purple /49 would be worth. I don't care about PSA 10s.

$400-500 raw, $500-600 PSA 9, $1000-1200 PSA 10 is the range for Blues. Purple probably around same ballpark, reds are 2/3-3/4 of those values.

Market is super weird with no grading and overall confidence down. Seeing lots of things go cheap with a severe shortage of serious bidders. One and One /99 PSA 9s used to go for $3300, BGS 9 today for $2175 with only 2 bidders above $1900. Quite a drop off for something that people were thinking of as iconic, not exactly slabbed base cards we’re talking about here. I think if you believe in the Hobby, and believe in Zion, there’s good opportunities right now.

[Spacemanspif]

Last note, what do you guys think this Optic Gold SS auto BGS 9.5 is worth? I’m selling it but it’s a weird card, collecting wise. Optic good! Signature Series bad. Gold /10 good! Sticker bad. Gem mint good! BGS bad. Got an offer today but unsure what to counter with, since it’s through PWCC I can’t see if they made 5 offers creeping up to the auto decline, or if they came in strong right away

[StrongandFree86]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Last note, what do you guys think this Optic Gold SS auto BGS 9.5 is worth? I’m selling it but it’s a weird card, collecting wise. Optic good! Signature Series bad. Gold /10 good! Sticker bad. Gem mint good! BGS bad. Got an offer today but unsure what to counter with, since it’s through PWCC I can’t see if they made 5 offers creeping up to the auto decline, or if they came in strong right away

Yeah, that is a weird one. Even the subs having a 10 and a 9 make it hard to gauge. A Spectra Gold Aspirations on-card auto BGS 8.5 went for $3500. Maybe $5k? I could be way off though.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

$400-500 raw, $500-600 PSA 9, $1000-1200 PSA 10 is the range for Blues. Purple probably around same ballpark, reds are 2/3-3/4 of those values.

Market is super weird with no grading and overall confidence down. Seeing lots of things go cheap with a severe shortage of serious bidders.
I think if you believe in the Hobby, and believe in Zion, there’s good opportunities right now.

Damn, because it was Probie I didn't really even consider going for the blue, was a great looking card though.
I've never been an investor but am trying to get hold of some Zions - having decided at the time not to bid over $25 on Luka Select tri-color only to see them jump to the several hundreds, I don't want to miss here, haha. Have only got a few, and based on current prices well overpaid for some Mosaic colours (the more common ones) during the season, but am relatively happy with my more recent ones - trying to stick to numbered stuff and am taking the risk with buying raw cards.

[RobbieD]

Picked up the Rookie Royalty /49 for a great price today.
One of my favourite inserts, far better than this year's version.

[22emmittfan]

Originally Posted by Spacemanspif

Last note, what do you guys think this Optic Gold SS auto BGS 9.5 is worth? I’m selling it but it’s a weird card, collecting wise. Optic good! Signature Series bad. Gold /10 good! Sticker bad. Gem mint good! BGS bad. Got an offer today but unsure what to counter with, since it’s through PWCC I can’t see if they made 5 offers creeping up to the auto decline, or if they came in strong right away

i personally like the signature series, they look really nice. i was thinking you should be able to get 7500. i know some people care about the stickers but there are a lot of people who don't care if it is.

[Chris P]

Got my Zion Blue in today..there is a minor issue like a little line near Zion's right arm but overall I think it's solid for $200

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Got my Zion Blue in today..there is a minor issue like a little line near Zion's right arm but overall I think it's solid for $200

Magnifique.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Got my Zion Blue in today..there is a minor issue like a little line near Zion's right arm but overall I think it's solid for $200

I can't even see it. Beautiful card.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by hairyangryfella

I can't even see it. Beautiful card.

Thanks man yeah you have to really look but it's there. Very happy with it!

[StrongandFree86]

Well, I wasn't planning on buying any more Chronicles for awhile, but today I saw a Recon Lucky Envelopes /8 for $500 obo. Made an offer for $275 and it got accepted. The Lucky Envelopes parallels look really nice in hand.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by StrongandFree86

Well, I wasn't planning on buying any more Chronicles for awhile, but today I saw a Recon Lucky Envelopes /8 for $500 obo. Made an offer for $275 and it got accepted. The Lucky Envelopes parallels look really nice in hand.

WOW nice!!

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by StrongandFree86

Well, I wasn't planning on buying any more Chronicles for awhile, but today I saw a Recon Lucky Envelopes /8 for $500 obo. Made an offer for $275 and it got accepted. The Lucky Envelopes parallels look really nice in hand.

Had to look up what Recon was. Not one that appeals to me but that seems like a crazy low price for something /8?!