2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Onions

I supported them. In fact, they should never have been lifted in the first place. We shouldn't even be having this discussion as far as I'm concerned.

For someone who loves how China is run so much you should live there. Isn't that what the righties say when the left wants to tear up the constitution?

[Onions]

Originally Posted by mike1498

For someone who loves how China is run so much you should live there. Isn't that what the righties say when the left wants to tear up the constitution?

I don't love it at all. Not sure where you got that one.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Onions

I don't love it at all. Not sure where you got that one.

You want to replicate it. Once we get manufacturing how do you plan to keep it competitive? Make the consumer pay the cost forever? I assume it would just be easier to remove all labor laws. You're trying to protect a job that gets done in a different country for 30 cents.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by Onions

I supported them. In fact, they should never have been lifted in the first place. We shouldn't even be having this discussion as far as I'm concerned.

Tariffs do not level the playing field - they hurt the consumer, as WE pay it - not the importing country.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by mike1498

You want to replicate it. Once we get manufacturing how do you plan to keep it competitive? Make the consumer pay the cost forever? I assume it would just be easier to remove all labor laws. You're trying to protect a job that gets done in a different country for 30 cents.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Onions

I don't love it at all. Not sure where you got that one.

Because you sound Marxist.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Because you sound Marxist.

The beard shields the eyes from syn-propanethial-S-oxide.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Because you sound Marxist.

For once we agree

[Onions]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Tariffs do not level the playing field - they hurt the consumer, as WE pay it - not the importing country.

I'm fine with that.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Onions

I'm fine with that.

I doubt the percentage of people in poverty will be. But hey, they’ll have a minimal wage job in manufacturing which is so much better than working at Wendys

[packman80]

I see the idiot squad is promoting the communist charter opps I mean people's charter in which they plan to bully opps I mean push Biden on if he's elected.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pro...nstration-left

[Onions]

Originally Posted by mike1498

You want to replicate it. Once we get manufacturing how do you plan to keep it competitive? Make the consumer pay the cost forever? I assume it would just be easier to remove all labor laws. You're trying to protect a job that gets done in a different country for 30 cents.

Not even close. China cheats, they devalue their currency, they use slave and child labor. They are brutal. I dont like that we are encouraging and literally financing their behavior. I am saying we should be making every effort we can to decouple ourselves from China, we should never have got into bed with them in the first place.

You guys must not go back too far. You started watching the game in the 2nd half, but didn't realize your team already lost it in the first.

[Jgil316]

Poor, poor Rudy.

I thought Trump only surrounded himself with the best and winners.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/202...P=share_btn_tw

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by mike1498

For once we agree

Lol I felt we were aligning more recently

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

The beard shields the eyes from syn-propanethial-S-oxide.

I had to google that one.

[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Lol I felt we were aligning more recently

We were until I saw yang 2024. I believe the government needs to regulate not distribute money

[Onions]

Originally Posted by mike1498

I doubt the percentage of people in poverty will be. But hey, they’ll have a minimal wage job in manufacturing which is so much better than working at Wendys

The 5 million jobs lost due to poor policy were most definitely not minimal or minimum wage.

Even the Wendy's and McDonald's around here pay $12/hr to start. You can put garage doors and windows together for $18-$20/hr.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by Onions

Not even close. China cheats, they devalue their currency, they use slave and child labor. They are brutal. I dont like that we are encouraging and literally financing their behavior. I am saying we should be making every effort we can to decouple ourselves from China, we should never have got into bed with them in the first place.

You guys must not go back too far. You started watching the game in the 2nd half, but didn't realize your team already lost it in the first.

Have you ever been to mainland China? I would imagine the answer is no

You need to stop blaming administrations for allowing China to thrive - it is multifaceted with the largest driver being consumers.

USA is a net consumer and our buying power is huge - however, people low cost of goods. Not one single person on this thread / board can definitively say all the items they buy are made in the USA.
It is not feasible.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Onions

Not even close. China cheats, they devalue their currency, they use slave and child labor. They are brutal. I dont like that we are encouraging and literally financing their behavior. I am saying we should be making every effort we can to decouple ourselves from China, we should never have got into bed with them in the first place.

Well, yeah. Thanks for the situation report.

So, now what? What's the solution?



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[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

So the protests were more dangerous than opening things up? I live in the state that was a hot spot for protests. Never once felt threatened. I did feel threatened by the selfish woman at the apple orchard not wearing her mask in the store. Only person not wearing one out of probably 50.

Lol so you are afraid of an old maskless lady but not rioters burning down your city?? Makes sense.

I wonder how some people in here make it through the day without having a panic attack or jumping off a bridge.

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[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by Onions

The 5 million jobs lost due to poor policy were most definitely not minimal or minimum wage.

Even the Wendy's and McDonald's around here pay $12/hr to start. You can put garage doors and windows together for $18-$20/hr.

I have NO idea where you get 5 million jobs lost (well, maybe I have an idea)

Bureau of labor numbers:

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001



And job creation by year:





I understand you want to believe everything the POTUS tells you - but the data does not support any of it.

[Yanks23]

Originally Posted by Jgil316

Have you ever been to mainland China? I would imagine the answer is no

You need to stop blaming administrations for allowing China to thrive - it is multifaceted with the largest driver being consumers.

USA is a net consumer and our buying power is huge - however, people low cost of goods. Not one single person on this thread / board can definitively say all the items they buy are made in the USA.
It is not feasible.

yes i have and setup mfg plant there that was closed after 3 yrs. China is good for mfg simple high volume labor intensive items. It is clear most posters dont know much about mfg and make some assumptions based upon whatever they read and have never been in mfg plants.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by lionsfan20

Lol so you are afraid of an old maskless lady but not rioters burning down your city?? Makes sense.

I wonder how some people in here make it through the day without having a panic attack or jumping off a bridge.

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Wait...cities were burned down? Is this the "suburbs will be totally destroyed" I keep seeing in Trump ads?

Dang, I must've missed it. All I saw was a few burning police cars and some broken windows.

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[mike1498]

Originally Posted by Onions

The 5 million jobs lost due to poor policy were most definitely not minimal or minimum wage.

Even the Wendy's and McDonald's around here pay $12/hr to start. You can put garage doors and windows together for $18-$20/hr.

You’re still not answering the initial question. Let’s say Nike pays its workers 30 cents an hour to hit a button to make Nike air forces. How do we bring that back to america?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by mike1498

We were until I saw yang 2024. I believe the government needs to regulate not distribute money

The two aren't so dissimilar as they might seem when only distributed at a base level. Capitalism and market efficiencies can still exist in a world with UBI, depending on policy.

That's an ideological debate for later maybe. I don't mean to derail the current dialogue.