2015 Prospect Rush Draft Hit Parade

[chansen10]

Just so everyone knows that PR is aware of 2 KB rush winners. I was curious because of getting into breaks and estimating how much that slot would be worth.. Not sure if this is known information or not but figured id share

[Cactuspies]

Originally Posted by illadelf

At this point, I think you're turning as many people away from collecting as this product...

Originally Posted by chezball

It's his mission to make everyone aware of what this product is,110 times.
110 might be on the low side.

Originally Posted by RobDerhak

Beat me to it

I can imagine the hubris it must take to think what you have to say is so important it must be said over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over & over again

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

You can say that again.

Originally Posted by rcearley

At least be consistent in your statements......is it 95% or 99% or some other percentage???

makes me wonder what his store looks like if he only wants winning products for his clients. I can see just empty shelves or 1988-1993 topps, donruss, score and fleer packs for 0.25 a piece.

What will Jose be walking into next week at that place?

I hope hwtm starts hitting up the leaf best of bball threads and posts the same as here. There are some duds in and not one Jordan Fleer RC pulled out of 20 cases on blowout. First 2 hits are decent and then there is a drop off and prices are going UP on cases! Latest is $144 a spot where a Jordan College Auto that resells for $200-$300 is one of the top cards.

[no10pin]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I will repeat myself. This product could potentially turn people away from card collecting. We can't afford to lose any more people.

A lot of people weren't ripped off by Haiku yet they are still pissed at him. Throw in some beats and remove the actual theft and it's not much different. Both befriended people on the boards with the intention of reaching into their pockets. The only difference is, Haiku literally stole, PR lied to get people's money legally. And PR didn't give anyone any beats...

Extremely over-dramatic on turning people away from card collecting. If someone is dropping $2800 on a repack box or $8000 on a repack case, they are already well invested in the hobby. It might turn them off from repacks, but I seriously doubt anyone is liquidating their collection after opening a box of this.

When was the last page Haiku's name wasn't brought up? I get the very loose connection, but it is two entirely different situations.

[dherm360]

Originally Posted by HadWayTooMuch

I will repeat myself. This product could potentially turn people away from card collecting. We can't afford to lose any more people.

A lot of people weren't ripped off by Haiku yet they are still pissed at him. Throw in some beats and remove the actual theft and it's not much different. Both befriended people on the boards with the intention of reaching into their pockets. The only difference is, Haiku literally stole, PR lied to get people's money legally. And PR didn't give anyone any beats...

or what if he is Haiku---If that is the case do you think he will raffle off the Galaxy 3 or better yet put it as a redemption

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by rcearley

At least be consistent in your statements......is it 95% or 99% or some other percentage???

Maybe he meant 99% of cases are losers and 95% of boxes are losers. Those would both seem to be accurate percentages. Even the case with the second best pull possible wasn't worth $8k....so only the Bryant winner case will be worth more than 8k. And the Bryant winner box and only 3 or 4 other boxes will ever be worth more than $2700.

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by Cactuspies

I hope hwtm starts hitting up the leaf best of bball threads and posts the same as here.

Speaking of...

2013 Leaf Pride of the Pinstripe Cut Signatures Masterpiece #WHWI - [Missing] /1 [BGS#@AUTHENTIC]
Courtesy of COMC.com

"Condition Notes: Signature is preprinted and not authentic as Leaf claims"

I spotted this card as it was loaded yesterday and sent in the correction request. This would not be a good hit to get in their product.

[Rooftop]

Originally Posted by death2redemptions

This comment right here just proves your ignorance and tells us you are just making up crap as you go. This is his third release of PR and it's been a well known fact around here that ML created PR years ago.



I don't know why you don't think he'll be back. He received this same exact criticism from his other releases and he has come back each time. What I can't understand is the fact that it was well documented that his previous releases were crap but people keep coming back to buy it again. In fact, I wouldn't put it past him to put out another product once the tension from this one blows over...and for whatever reason people will still buy it.

I didn't know ML created PR, had no clue. When I started reading the 250 case thread ML came across a guy breaking cases for himself and not a repacker. He said he was going to sell individual cards. Less than 2 weeks into it he changed his tune and decided to create PRD. For someone that didn't know who the hell PR/ML was then I guess they were ignorant.

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Maybe he meant 99% of cases are losers and 95% of boxes are losers. Those would both seem to be accurate percentages. Even the case with the second best pull possible wasn't worth $8k....so only the Bryant winner case will be worth more than 8k. And the Bryant winner box and only 3 or 4 other boxes will ever be worth more than $2700.

I would expect all five CASES ($8000) of PR with a winning Rush ticket will be worth more than the cost if those winners are sold pre-National. So that's 5% of cases right there.

[NickM]

Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

It's happening again with the Sportkings repack.

A fool and his money . . .

He's trying hard, but the mockery of his _hit parade suggests that there are limits to what people will pay for.
If were named Leaf-style, it would be Best Of Random Junk.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

I would expect all five CASES ($8000) of PR with a winning Rush ticket will be worth more than the cost if those winners are sold pre-National. So that's 5% of cases right there.

I agree 101%. Or disagree -99%. Depends on how you look at it.

[Afton9444]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

I would expect all five CASES ($8000) of PR with a winning Rush ticket will be worth more than the cost if those winners are sold pre-National. So that's 5% of cases right there.

I don't see anyone dropping $5k on a 1/5 chance to own a Kris Bryant Rush ticket. I could be wrong but I really don't see it happening.

[izybone]

Originally Posted by Afton9444

I don't see anyone dropping $5k on a 1/5 chance to own a Kris Bryant Rush ticket. I could be wrong but I really don't see it happening.

Is it worth more than 25k?

If it is than I can see multiple people that would do it.

If it could still sell at 40k, you're getting 8:1 on your money and your odds are 5:1. Why not, if you have it to blow?

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by Afton9444

I don't see anyone dropping $5k on a 1/5 chance to own a Kris Bryant Rush ticket. I could be wrong but I really don't see it happening.

Originally Posted by izybone

Is it worth more than 25k?

If it is than I can see multiple people that would do it.

If it could still sell at 40k, you're getting 8:1 on your money and your odds are 5:1. Why not, if you have it to blow?

Based on Will's tendency for hyperbole, I'm guessing the $28k sale was the real number and not the $40k number he floated. Either way, I don't think the Super Bryant is even worth $25k anymore, but I'm sure somebody rich would take that jump. On average his cards have fallen just shy of 50% from their highs.

[DSizzle31]

Originally Posted by chansen10

Just so everyone knows that PR is aware of 2 KB rush winners. I was curious because of getting into breaks and estimating how much that slot would be worth.. Not sure if this is known information or not but figured id share

How do you know this? From this thread, I thought PR had gone into hiding or was in the Bahamas spending all of our money with Haiku. I can't imagine he is able to be contacted through all the avenues that he posted. Crazy!!

IMO, Will is no different than any other business person. When a new product comes out, he goes around and promotes. After the product comes out, no more reason to promote. Before The new Avengers movie came out, the stars were out promoting it. They were doing talk shows, ET, Saturday Night Live, you name it talking about how great it was. Good or bad, once the movie was out, they went away. They weren't hiding. They just have nothing left to promote. If it were bad, they wouldn't be expected to go back on Jimmy Kimmel to apologize.

Will never made promises about % return. As a matter of fact, he himself said this was a group break product. He showed the big hits and as far as I can tell, they are all in there. He never said he was our friend. He came on here, and was friendly, but he is a salesman. There is a difference in being friendly to his potential customers and being a friend.

[letsgocapitals]

Curious:

- What happens if/when PR doesn't sell out? Does the price/case drop until he sells out?

[JMPKCP]

DSizzle, your Avengers analogy doesn't even make sense. If it were the same, it would be the cards going on talk shows to say how good they were. Will was the director, producer, writer, and promised a movie filled with great actors. Instead we got nothing but Nic Cage.

And might I remind you what it says CURRENTLY on the Prospect Rush site?
"Readily available via text, telephone, email, on blowout cards forum, and in person at the National to answer any questions"

[DSizzle31]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

DSizzle, your Avengers analogy doesn't even make sense. If it were the same, it would be the cards going on talk shows to say how good they were. Will was the director, producer, writer, and promised a movie filled with great actors. Instead we got nothing but Nic Cage.

And might I remind you what it says CURRENTLY on the Prospect Rush site?
"Readily available via text, telephone, email, on blowout cards forum, and in person at the National to answer any questions"

Have you tried PMing him through the blowout cards forum with your concerns and he didn't respond? Just because he doesn't get into the center of a pack of rabid dogs to take questions doesn't mean he isn't available to take questions.

As far as your Nic Cage analogy I must ask, where did Will promise anything he didn't deliver? He showed hits. The hits are in there. That's the promise. He promised to provide a checklist. I know it came late, but he did provide it, didn't he? I know it didn't list the quantity of each card, but he never said it would.

Is this product great? I don't think so but "great" is subjective. In Will's mind I'm sure he thinks he made a good product. A few agree. Other people disagree. I don't see how this merits a 200 page thread.

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by DSizzle31

As far as your Nic Cage analogy I must ask, where did Will promise anything he didn't deliver? He showed hits. The hits are in there. That's the promise. He promised to provide a checklist. I know it came late, but he did provide it, didn't he? I know it didn't list the quantity of each card, but he never said it would.

Again, to continue the analogy...Will, the writer/director/producer told us all that the movie has Tom Cruise and Julia Roberts and Jennifer Lawrence and Hugh Jackman. And then we found out that they were extras with no dialogue in a 10 second scene.

If you have to ask how Will didn't deliver what he promised, you've missed a lot in the last 200 pages.

[theRLO]

Originally Posted by DSizzle31

How do you know this? From this thread, I thought PR had gone into hiding or was in the Bahamas spending all of our money with Haiku. I can't imagine he is able to be contacted through all the avenues that he posted. Crazy!!

IMO, Will is no different than any other business person. When a new product comes out, he goes around and promotes. After the product comes out, no more reason to promote. Before The new Avengers movie came out, the stars were out promoting it. They were doing talk shows, ET, Saturday Night Live, you name it talking about how great it was. Good or bad, once the movie was out, they went away. They weren't hiding. They just have nothing left to promote. If it were bad, they wouldn't be expected to go back on Jimmy Kimmel to apologize.

Will never made promises about % return. As a matter of fact, he himself said this was a group break product. He showed the big hits and as far as I can tell, they are all in there. He never said he was our friend. He came on here, and was friendly, but he is a salesman. There is a difference in being friendly to his potential customers and being a friend.

I would also say that this isn't the best analogy because a lot of actors still promote after the movie comes out and those guys still dress in their costumes and visit sick kids, etc. They also run commercials for the movie after release date.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Again, to continue the analogy...Will, the writer/director/producer told us all that the movie has Tom Cruise and Julia Roberts and Jennifer Lawrence and Hugh Jackman. And then we found out that they were extras with no dialogue in a 10 second scene.

If you have to ask how Will didn't deliver what he promised, you've missed a lot in the last 200 pages.

Are there cards on the checklist that didn't make it into the product?

[JMPKCP]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Are there cards on the checklist that didn't make it into the product?

No, just like those 4 actors were in the movie.

[mfisher27]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

Again, to continue the analogy...Will, the writer/director/producer told us all that the movie has Tom Cruise and Julia Roberts and Jennifer Lawrence and Hugh Jackman. And then we found out that they were extras with no dialogue in a 10 second scene.

If you have to ask how Will didn't deliver what he promised, you've missed a lot in the last 200 pages.

Not delivering on promises? That would be like backing out of a group break. That's a fair analogy isn't it?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

No, just like those 4 actors were in the movie.

I'm not following what movie you are talking about. The imaginary one to try and make your point or an actual movie?

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by mfisher27

Not delivering on promises? That would be like backing out of a group break. That's a fair analogy isn't it?

Who backed out of a group break? I'm not reading 200 pages to find out.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

No, just like those 4 actors were in the movie.

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

I'm not following what movie you are talking about. The imaginary one to try and make your point or an actual movie?

I think it's fairly obvious.

The Tom Cruise Superfractor was not included in this release, even though Will never mentioned its inclusion. Same could be said with the Pretty Woman Red Refractor BGS 11. Completely misleading sales sheets never mentioned the fact that these would or would not be included.

Why is that so hard to understand?